i'm not a right-wing supporter at all, i'd say im right in the middle, but the far left isnt really what israel needs right now. unless you wanna sell jewish land for peace? there shouldn't be a land for peace deal ever! peace for peace only!

and even the pope than by Orthodox Jews. We can well imagine how religious this school is.

"The Bnei Akiva movement is not afraid of listening to additional voices and opinions from the Israeli public discourse. Try filling in the blank with the group of your choice and see how they do. "The [ ] movement is not afraid of listening to additional voices and opinions from the Israeli public discourse." Joel Katz http://religionandstateinisrael.blogspot.com/

I'm waiting for Meretz Youth to invite a Bnai Akive Rabbi to speak. O wait the left just banned religious girls from volunteering their national service at non Orthodox schools.

Subject: Situation in brief from an international lawyer living in Efrat Here is the situation, in brief: Steve Rodan spoke in Efrat in December 1993 or January 1994. He related that he had asked Yossi Beilin, then Deputy Foreign Minister, what assurances he could give the residents of Yesha as to their security and he said, "The IDF will pull out. The PLO will come in and they will carry out their operation and we will not interfere." The leaders of Moetzet Yesha reported in Spring of 1995 that they asked Rabin the same question and he said, "The IDF will leave, the Palestinians will come in and I promise you we will do our best to take care of the wounded." Shimon Peres was even more blunt. During the election campaign in 1996, he was in Gush Katif with his entourage. One of them expressed astonishment that the population of the Gush had increased by 5% or so since Oslo when they had anticipated that people would leave. Tzvi Handel reported that Peres replied, "A few good massacres and they will leave." About 6 months after Barak's debacle at Camp David, Chaim Ramon was quoted in Haaretz saying, "I advised Barak at Camp David not to raise the issue of Jerusalem at this time but to wait 5 to 10 years, until Jerusalem is like Gaza today and then Israelis will be ready to make concessions on Jerusalem." If they are making peace, why should Jerusalem ever be like Gaza? Clearly, they all knew that they are not making peace. Not at this stage. At this stage, they are merely engineering Israeli concessions, which are brought about by Israeli casualties. Arab terror is not a violation of Oslo. It is part and parcel of the process. The peace that the Osloids think they are making comes only at the end, when Israel has made all the concessions contemplated and has been reduced to its "proper" proportions. The Oslo process has a goal in mind and that goal is an Israel shorn of the "Old" Jew, the Jewish religion and attachment to any benighted notions as "holy" places. Israel is to be the Labor Zionists' dream: secular, atheist, socialist; in a word, unJewish. To accomplish that, they need to divest the state of all places identified as "holy," for Israel's own good, of course. It is also necessary to water down the mental image of what it means to be a Jew. "Pluralism" is perfect, because if there are two Judaisms or three Judaisms or five Judaisms, then there is no Judaism. Even Christian Jews are now "Jewish." The more unJewish, the better. Homosexuality is to be enshrined on the altar of "personal freedom." It is also necessary to break the religious population and assimilate it into the population of the "New Jew" in any way possible. That is what the expulsion was about and that is why there has been no effective provision made for the expellees. In the end, the Israel envisioned is the Israel of the Cyber-Zionists only, the Singapore of the Middle East, a city state running from Haifa to Ashkelon 15 km deep with nothing "holy." It is just a place. There will be little to no agriculture. Farming engenders an attachment to the Land. No farming, no need for water. Only cities and beaches. (I expect the kibbutzim will not be dried up, however. We will continue to subsidize them to export water to Europe in the form of fruits and vegetables.) What can possibly be the basis of unity with that element? Will they unify with our concept of the country's future? Not when they are in control, they won't. Then unity depends upon us falling into line with their concept. Are you willing to do that? I am not. "Unity," in the circumstances, is a hollow concept.

but what is that ..." the singapore of middle east " :-))))) We have the Best Prime Minister., Mr. Lee Hsien Loong and a great cabinate of People Action Party, MP- the model of character and clean hands.David Marshaal placed the foundation , Mr, Lee Kwan Yew brought us thus far with the Clean and A Strong Govt . Singapore is not just a place but Malaysia is and Israel may be small but a great place like singapore. anyway i like your post, so I have circulated to many here and overseas. Thanks : -) cheers :-) ben singapore

The great thinkers of our present time, like this Lior person, will surely bring us back to the Middle Ages, speedily

that should be the headlines, the question is why does the press give this nutter so much coverage?

The greatest harm being done today to Israeli society is being done by Jewish religious fanatics. Our society would be much better off if there was no religion. Religion breeds tension, discord, hatred and corruption.

"my views regarding the occupation are not derived from a 'Tel Avivian' point of view, but from my concern for the State's Jewish majority." At every turn, Meretz has opposed the "Judaization of the Galilee" and refer to Israeli policies in the Negev as "occupation". Meretz has consistently opposed bolstering Jewish populations in parts of Israel populated by Arabs, so indeed it does represent a "Tel Avivian" point of view. It has often been said that Yossi Sarid would be content with the banks of the Yarkon. However, I agree with Bnei Akiva. Even a discredited fraud deserves to be heard, and in this case the fraud in question helped Bnei Akiva consolidate its position even further: "The Meretz chairman's performance did not harm and even strengthened the committee into making national decisions, calling on the Israeli government to bolster the settlement in the Judea and Samaria and not harm the Golan Heights."

The likes of Yossi Belin & the rest of his Meeretz friends would like to see Israel become just another western style secular state with no formal religious identity. If he thought he could sell the idea to the public he would be dreaming up and promoting solutions like this to solving the arab problems.

Meretz and the national religious camp represent two (perhaps the last two) faces of idealistic zionism. Both from very different philosophical schools aspire to create a Jewish state rooted in values and not individual selfishness. Both see the moral worth of Jews as Jews. Both camps have a long history of selfless contribution to the state as attested to by the many fallen soldiers from each. In the past (pre-1967) both even found common ground on issues related to relations with the Arab sector and foreign policy. Finding renewed common ground on social issues beyond those of borders and land would be a kiddush hashem.

"Meretz and the national religious camp represent two (perhaps the last two) faces of idealistic zionism." Whatever may have happened in the past, the Meretz of today can in no way be defined as Zionist.

elections and will therefore no longer be represented in the Knesset. Just think of all the dross that we will be free of. Mike

I guess then that Meretz and Torah Judaism have more in common than you think, since the Judaism of the past could in no way be defined as Zionist. But you clearly know nothing of either, so you wouldn't realize that.

Had to combine with other dross to survive....

What's worse, being a non-believer or being an idol worshipper? The answer in Torah is clear. So Lior is the one doing the damage.

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