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Prayer book as toilet paper
Lior El-Chai
Published: 08.06.08, 11:29
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31. Don't tell me...
Enzo ,   london,uk   (06.08.08)
you're going to put them in jail, and feed them for months and months...! Please, kindly remove them from the Country! TODAY!
32. SHIMON
brinn ,   cfar tabor   (06.08.08)
what do you do with these kids when you find out that according to"HALACA" they are "US" as in you and I . what do you do with jews you dont like or understand. DEPORTATION duh! ok!!!
33. hey joe!
brinn ,   cfar tabor   (06.08.08)
cool
34. send them back to where they came from
haifa resident ,   israel   (06.08.08)
russians come to get a better life in israel, the government helps them, and this is how they thank it.... theese incidents have become more and more frequent in the past, and what punishment do the criminals get??? a couple of years in prison maybe... if someone comes to israel even without jewish background, not for zionism, they should at least respect that this place absorbed them, and helped them to get out from they crap countries do theese people deserve a better life, aid and absorbtion???? no!!! they deserve that their israeli citizenship should be taken and to be sent back to the places where they came from!
35. What Goes Around, Comes Around
World Citizen ,   the world   (06.08.08)
These new immigrants see the ugly nature of your society and they are reflecting it back at you. Surely they are the bitter fruit of the tree Zionism.
36. Send the Ultra -Religious Jew where they came from?
naro ,   nyc   (06.08.08)
These Ultra religious nut case make it impossible for normal people to live in many parts of Israel. Move them back to Brooklyn or Ukraine as far as I am concerned.
37. do not export your problems!
tom ,   toronto, canada   (06.08.08)
it doesn't solve the problem to "deport them to russia" - the russians won't do your dirty work for you. for better or worse, these scum have been let into the country, and they should be punished, in israel, for crimes that they commit there. and there are probably other "neighbourhoods" (such as prison) where they will not be intimidating anybody or boozing, or bragging on the internet about it. they may even make a few new "friends" who might like to take advantage of their desires to expose themselves. simply throwing them out is a bad idea, because yet another "free ride", even to russia, won't deter other young neo-nazis, and there are others, from doing more of the same.
38. #8 really, now?
tom ,   toronto, canada   (06.08.08)
"relate to judaism"?! these are not jewish youth - they are russian gentiles who happen to be living in israel. there are literally billions of gentiles in this world, who don't "relate" to judaism, but, thank god, most of them don't spend their time desecrating judaism or attacking jews. it doesn't matter what they "relate to" or whether they wash behind their uncircumcised foreskins; they are living in a country with a jewish majority that will not tolerate their hate crimes. this bunch need to be punished, and any others who feel the same way should be encouraged (or even paid) to leave.
39. #22: you cannot tar everybody with the same brush!!!
tom ,   toronto, canada   (06.08.08)
nothing in this article, or any other, mentions that these neo-nazi punks are "converted" in any way. they or their parents may have been allowed to immigrate because they claimed jewish ancestry, possibly falsely. but these punks don't pretend to be jewish. why would you accuse the many who have sincerely converted of being involved in this mess? and how would it help israel to start retroactively, and arbitrarily, cancelling conversions? what would that do to the sincere converts, and those who want to convert? let's deal with the problem, before projecting our prejudices far and wide on innocent people.
40. Should we convert them or deport them?
CW   (06.08.08)
When we deport all of these Russian antisemites it will be easier to convert the ones that want to become a part of the J people.
41. No. 8 Simon
NYC Girl   (06.08.08)
Up until now, I've agreed with your talkbacks. And because I'm an atheist, you can probably imagine that I have no patience whatsoever for the Haredim and their coercive tactics. However, I don't think it's fair to hold them responsible for these Russian neo-Nazis. Because as much as people like us will criticize the ultra-Orthodox fanatics, I certainly would never countenance the sort of behavior these Jew-baiting hooligans are exhibiting. In fact, for my part, they can send them all back to wherever the hell they came from.
42. deport those idiots!
(06.08.08)
43. horrible!!
katya   (06.08.08)
how can Israel let these kind of people into our country? ?
44. zero tolerance
Ilana   (06.08.08)
This is one place that such behaviour must carry the most serious consequences-no mercy must be involved. They need to be tried and then deported and never allowed back. It should also serve as a lesson, a moral, and next time others will think very carefully...
45. #27 thanks for the advise
Simon ,   TA Israel   (06.08.08)
Let me see Neo Nazis or Harideem Its a tough one seeing as the Harideem behave worse than Nazis.! BTW never been to London although i hear its nice.
46. haifa resident
brinn ,   cfar tabor   (06.08.08)
I have a tattoo on my arm that was put there by people who talked a lot like you,
47. ironically...
tom ,   toronto, canada   (06.08.08)
the contrast between jews and arabs is quite telling: when someone desecrates a koran in any way, the arabs demand, and usually get, the person's blood. but jews? we wring our hands, and if it's an extremely severe case, we might even agree to deport them, instead of just feeding them for a few years. such a terrible punishment not only deprives them of our company, but they also miss out on hundreds of bowls of chicken soup. now that's a punishment far worse than public beheading on al-jazeera!
48. Sounds like typical Russian working class youth
Rami ,   London   (06.08.08)
Non-Jews of course, like most of the immigrants
49. this has nothing to do with religious or secular society
(06.08.08)
This is solely the result of letting antisemitic russians into the country on false pretenses. Deport them and the rest of their fake jew brethren. There are enough antisemitic arabs in the country, theres no need to import other variations from russia.
50. #45, you live in Dreamland, eh?
Roman ,   Lod, Israel   (06.08.08)
In Russia, they would have stabbed you repeatedly, then checked your cooling body for breath, with a mirror, to make sure that you wouldn't be alive to testify against them for attempted murder. And that's in modern-day Russia. Not so long ago, the fathers of their ideology simply exterminated people by the million. And you dare compare Neo-Nazis to Haredim? With the Haredim, the extremist actions are the exception rather than the rule, and no: The statistics of child molestation, violence, etc, are no higher in among the Haredim that you so actively despise than they are among the general populace. In terms of street violence, frankly, their statistics are a great deal better. So before you compare Haredim to Neo-Nazis, go and meet some Neo-Nazis. *some* Haredim might throw stones on your car if you drive through their neighborhood on the Shabbos, but *all* Neo-Nazis will beat you senseless, every day of the week, possibly taking the extra step of videotaping it to spread it on the Internet. And that's just in Israel. Back in the old country (former Soviet Union) they'd just stab you as a macabre initiation ceremony to their brotherhood of Slavic purity.
51. SEND THEM BACK
Back to the USSR ,   MAH IHCPAT LECHA   (06.08.08)
Send them back to Russii. They arent Jewish so they dont belong in Israel Israel is for Jews only!
52. # 47
(06.08.08)
Pardon me. I thought you had said you immigrated from London. "Its a tough one seeing as the Harideem behave worse than Nazis" Only someone wrapped up in their own phallocentric worldview would say something so ridiculous.
53. I left Israel because it was too expensive
Rich ,   Toronto, Canada   (06.08.08)
to pay rent plus a tax on an apartment. There was no help for me. Meanwhile neo-nazis from Russia (who are not even Jews) are getting monies to come to Israel. The country is just not right.
54. DEPORT THEM ALL WITH THEIR FAMILIES.
Daniel ,   ISREAL   (06.08.08)
55. Toilet paper
Edithann ,   USA   (06.08.08)
While they were doing it to the Koran you were all happy and even encouraging...Now that it's happened to you..you are up in arms...Is there a lesson to be learned here?
56. prime candidates for a quick conversion course
observer   (06.08.08)
57. No. 55 Edithann
NYC Girl   (06.08.08)
The problem is the reaction by many Muslims to any desecration, (real or perceived) of the Koran. When was the last time you heard of any Jew threatening murder and mayhem over desecration of the Torah? And in answer to your question as to whether there is a lesson to be learned here, it's that people who are ignorant of the facts would do well not to reveal that ignorance (along with their racism, since I've read several of your previous posts) in a public forum.
58. THIS IS LOVE. PAY THEM.
ATİLLA KARAGÖZOĞLU ,   IS YOUR LORD.   (06.08.08)
59. Israel's fault
Drouch   (06.08.08)
The Jewish agency is to blame. When my grand grandmother a holocaust conc. camp survivor was making aliya they claimed that her documents are not original ( a holocaust survivor who lost all of her family not only documents) , but on the other hand they let scum like this enter to Israel. I guess jewish agency only needs young people to serve the army and reproduce just to correct demographic battle against arabs. They don't really care about their connection to jewish people as long as they are young. The only problem is that Israel is very tough to love..... unless you belong here .......
60. double standard
Rain ,   NY   (06.08.08)
isn't this a freedom of speech.. couple of months ago we were saying this about mohammed the Muslim prophet when the danish bashed him... isnt this the same thing, what makes it wrong then?... where do they sell those toilet papers, they look good and soft :)
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