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Video shows masked men attacking Palestinian shepherds
Ali Waked
Published: 13.06.08, 20:37
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61. the only Peaceful human being's in the middle east
observer   (06.13.08)
do you know who they are?
62. #8 digital cameras don't need warm up
observer   (06.14.08)
it was a real demonstration, not a symbolic show with the "corpse" jumping out of the coffin.
63. you know what's funny?
israeli ,   israel   (06.14.08)
This alleged attack is supposed to have taken place last week, on the eve of Shavuoth. Never mind the fact that even the most bellicose settlers would have been busy preparing for this one of the three great holidays mentioned by the Torah. Never mind that the initial report had the attack in the evening. Never mind that there should have been six attackers http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/991150.html while only four are seen in the video. The 68-year-old woman who was evacuated to Soroka hospital in "SERIOUS CONDITION" was seen by yours truly in a TV interview on the Friday night news, with a nasty bruise on her face and a bad eye. Now I know that Israeli medicine is top notch, that Israeli doctors are among the best in the world, but even they can't work wonders for a seriously injured 68-year-old woman and have her back on her feet and ready to go home to tell her story to the world 4-5 days. I know, I know, I should be ever so sorry for the poor woman, and condemn the evil JOOOOS who attacked her and so forth. But why does the story have to be so fishy? Why does this story have to be so shoddily researched and the video footage such a pathetic farce? Gone are the days when the Israeli public used to buy Pallywood productions hook, line and sinker. By the way, at the end of the footage the girl shooting the scene says something very clear in Arabic. Can anyone translate? Can anyone analyze the shadows and determine the time of day?
64. # 17 If you believe this video is real...
Thomas   (06.13.08)
I can't imagine you don't have an "L" and an "R" written under your shoes. I expect the Muslims and Europeans to believe this as they believe we poison wells and drink baby blood but I'm shocked an Israeli could be so stupid.
65. # 2 Sally You Make it Hard for Us Darwinists
Charles   (06.13.08)
to make our point.
66. Thank you Ynet and Btselem
Just a girl ,   everywhere   (06.14.08)
For taking the Palestinian eyewitnesses word at face value. After all, everyone knows just how reliable and honest Palestinian eyewitnesses are. Like the Palestinian eyewitnesses who said the explosion that took place in the Hamas member's house yesterday was an Israeli airstrike. Or the Palestinian eyewitnesses who said Israeli soldiers rape young Arab girls, or sick big mean dogs on frightened little Arab schoolchildren. Thank you for practically convicting Jewish settlers of this crime, even though there is no proof they even committed this crime, and that this could have just as easily been Arabs or foreign instigators from the antisemitic ISM, or so called peacemakers to use as propaganda against Jews who live in Hebron. Thank you for putting this story in your headline almost a week after it happened, and not mentioning even one single word about an Israeli child who was seriously injured today when a mortar shell exploded in his hometown. Thank you for supplying more propaganda for the antisemites to use against Jews. Thank you for adding fuel to the fires of new antisemitism already raging out of control in Europe and other places. Thank you.
67. obvious fabrication
tom ,   toronto, canada   (06.14.08)
this is such an obvious fabrication - how often do you see a "spontaneous" video with a nice, clean "establishing shot"? or, to put it another way, why would the operator of the camera shoot four masked men coming towards them, before the attack started? did they video everyone they met, or did they know in advance to turn on the camera for this particular group? this is strictly pallywood, manufactured for b'tselem and the gullible bbc (who got an "exclusive")!
68. #15 "B'Tselem has handed out 100 video cameras"
tom ,   toronto, canada   (06.14.08)
"Over the brow of the hill walk four masked men holding baseball bats. To the right of the screen, in the foreground, stands a 58-year-old Palestinian woman. your talkback even sounds like a movie script! (except "establishing shots" are a hollywood convention, and rarely just "happen" in real life!) take a course or two in film appreciation. "The settlers gave us a 10-minute warning to clear off from the land," "They don't want us to stay on our land. But we won't leave. We'll die here. It's ours," she added. like a bad spoof of a kurosawa film, , complete with "heroic" dialogue and subtitles. pallywood, pure pallywood!
69. now that is why
jerusalem   (06.14.08)
i need to stop procrastinating to start holding my own camera around. its stories like this that inspire. ill never forget that one friday prayer about 4 years ago that all of a sudden right after the prayer when people werent even finished praying that israeli police forces swooped in, closed the main doors to evacuate from the sanctuary(likewise no reporters to see what went on first), cornered the prayer people and started shooting indiscriminately. not to mention chained shut the building where the men prayed, and the snipers were ready on the surrounding roofs from around, like they've been training in advance. apparently, they were forcing the praying people to leave (calmly?). on the news later that day, it was reported that the palestinians were the ones that caused the trouble in the first place by staging a protest of some sort. which was ironic with what i, myself witnessed at that same scene.
70. arabs, palestinians, people who oppose
jerusalem   (06.14.08)
crime like these, please take the example of the people in this article and start taking your cameras, video camcorders and what you will and contribute and expose acts (like this) that are casually looked over by the police. if the local police wont do anything, exposure will have to do.
71. i served in hebron...
disapointed soldier ,   Israel   (06.14.08)
and unfortunately i learned not to expect anything more than the settlers in hebron, who are giving jews a bad name everywhere. what a shame...
72. #58 BBC article titled: "Jewish Settler Attack"
Cynthia ,   USA   (06.14.08)
This incident occured 8/6/08. As the BBC article dated 8/12/08 stated, "The BBC has been given exclusive access to the footage of this particular attack, which happened earlier this week." While the title of the article leads you to believe Jewish settlers attacked Palestinians, the BBC later in the article hedges by stating, "appears to show Jewish settlers beating up Palestinians". But in fact, the men in the photo wear masks and for all we know, they are B'Tselem workers moonlighting as actors because the video does not prove identity of the attackers. You complain 5 days have passed with no arrests yet B'Tselem gave the video only to the BBC and the BBC only posted this video 6/12/08. We do not even know if the BBC doctored the video. Israel stated they are investigating but the actions of B'Tselem are highly suspect and irresponsible since they withhold evidence that delays an investigation. If this video was used to protect the Palestinians verses for propaganda purposes, the video would have been handed directly to investigators.
73. #31 Prof. Ali
Eliyahu ,   United States   (06.14.08)
I did not see any education in your writing. Your grammar and structure are very poor throughout your argument. No self respecting professor would ever reply with that type dribble. Aside from that, your line of thinking also suggest a mild form of undiagnosed retardation.
74. too many Al Chets to be recounted on Shabbath
observer   (06.14.08)
Let's wait till the holiest of holidays.
75. video proves that nothing is going to be done,
observer   (06.14.08)
have you heard the otherwise evidence from the police?
76. Israel's weakness is worse than staged attack
observer   (06.14.08)
the perpetrators of that staged attack are either protected or Israel's security does not enforce the law in an incitement incident.
77. This video is supposed to show something?
jason white ,   afula,israel   (06.14.08)
Do shepherds now carry cameras with? This is pure b.s. and Y-net should not have this on its' site.
78. This deserves an oscar :D
Moshe ,   Zion   (06.14.08)
79. YNet, can you please remove obserevers spam!
Jay3 ,   Israel   (06.14.08)
Or can any moron post 13 comments telling lies?
80. why attacked in closed military area?
observer   (06.14.08)
In the 1970s, the Israeli military commander declared the area a "closed military area," and for the past five years, Israel has been trying to expel them from the area. In November 1999, soldiers and Civil Administration officials expelled the cave residents and confiscated their meager belongings. The army sealed caves, destroyed wells and outhouses, and prohibited the residents from returning to the area. The cave residents petitioned the High Court of Justice, and in March 2000, the Court issued a temporary injunction, returning the residents to the area and preventing the state from expelling them until the court reaches a final decision in the matter. Since then, the residents live with the threat of expulsion hovering over their heads. In Susya, like in the villages in the eastern area, the residents returned to the place following the issuance of an interim order by the High Court, and since then they have continued to live on their land under the protection of that provisional order. The provisional order forbids the residents of Susya from renovating their ruins. Thus in the past four years they have been forced to live in winter and summer in tents and shacks, with no possibility of improving their conditions of life in a meaningful way. In that regard their situation in the past two years has been harder than that of the eastern villages, which, as indicated, were less damaged when they were evacuated.
81. Maybe more Pallywood
Scott ,   Haifa   (06.14.08)
You can't see the guys with the masks, and I wouldn't put it past Hamas or who ever to beat up old men and woman if it means more bad press against Israel. (Just like the Mohammed Dura travesty.)
82. Provocation by Islamo Leftists
The Doc ,   Haifa, Israel   (06.14.08)
It is clear that the so-called "sheperds" were incited by their Islamo-Leftists handlers to provoke the settlers. Can you explain the video camera so conveniently present at the scene otherwise? I also suggest that these "masked settlers" are actually PALESTINIANS and the whole thing is a charade! Palestinians afre well-known for staging false demontrations, false funerals (for very alive "victims") and using animal blood and entrails to falsify "reports" of "Israeli attacks". I woud not believe a "dead" Palestinian even if he was 6 feet under! They and their "witnesses" have ZERO CREDIBILITY!
83. Paliwood again
Hilda ,   US   (06.14.08)
Was this made special for Sundance? Nobody but a fool would believe that this was for real. The masked me are wearing Arab keffiyas . Surely if they were really Jews going after Palestinians, they would have shot them dead. Now that would have made a movie. Rhis is just another example of Palestinians plea for victimhood and the sympathy of the world. That Jews are being shelled daily and children murdered and maimed in their schools and in their beds don;t seem to bother thei antisemites. but this stage show will spread like wildfire.
84. caught on tape
robert fusfeld ,   greenleaf wi   (06.14.08)
there is no defense for this. if these are jews, do they not know they have violated the torah. so, we now have succumbed to being barbarians? when will this all end. our enemies will tell you when there are no more jews. this only provides credence to the cretins.
85. No. 84
NYC Girl   (06.14.08)
"If they are Jews" is exactly the question. We've already have proof that the Palestinians have a history of lying and dissembling, from the Mohammed al-Dura calumny to the the so-called Jenin massacre, the Gaza Beach incident, and all the self-inflicted "work accidents" that were blamed on the IDF. Need I go on?
86. Where are the 'settlers' tzitzim? The hanging clothe on
(06.14.08)
the sides that all religious Jews where?
87. Seems I have seen those type of masks before
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (06.14.08)
And they were being worn by PNA police.
88. Elyahu
Ali ,   Falsteen   (06.14.08)
It's much better for you to stay where you are now, rather than being a settler in Palestine. Perhaps in that way you can understand what I mean: new comers are not eligible to taste the soil of the holy land. Once the US support is for you state is gone, you will know more.
89. Fake or real?
Michael ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (06.14.08)
I don't know, and I don't think anyone else could, either. If I were sitting on a jury trying this case, I would have to discount this video as any kind of evidence, pro or con. All it "proves" is that a beating did take place, with no evidence showing who the attackers were. It does seem "convenient" that the audio started only with the beating, and the assailants' voices were not heard at all...
90. WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU EXPECT FROM COWARD SETTLERS !!!
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