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What drives Ahmadinejad?
Jonathan Halevi and Ashley Perry
Published: 17.06.08, 00:43
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31. To Extremist Imams : ALLAH Will Not Be Happy !!
Maansingh ,   The Netherlands   (06.17.08)
Quote :”.. extremist Imams (say) .. that the Jews are .. corrupting Islam “. The Ayatollahs and the Muslims are the practitioners of Islam -- how can Christians, Jews or Atheists corrupt Islam ?? This is the MOST stupid statement of the extremist Imams I EVER read. These people MUST be nuts to come up with such a statement. (To the extremist Imams : What happened with your brain ? Seems like due to too much hatred against Jewish People -- most of your gray matter went down the drain.) Quote :”.. the anti-Semitic forgery ‘The Protocols of the Elders of Zion ‘..”. To the extremist Imams and their followers : What happened ? You guys lost your TASTE for reading the Holy Koran -- and are now WASTING your time in reading forgeries ??? I don’t think ALLAH will be happy with the behaviour of you guys !!
32. Said, #14, you do the math
Jake   (06.17.08)
1.4 billion Moslems, 2 billion Christians, and less than 14 million Jews. Your polemics are in direct contradiction to the facts, which state that Judaism was always intended as the religion of the Jewish people and not of the gentiles.
33. 25 Thomas: The bible says God is angry at the wicked every
Rivkah   (06.17.08)
day. There are two families on earth: the Jews and the Greeks (Gentiles), as Yeshua described it. Christians who need to become part of the JEWISH body of Yeshua to be grafted onto the JEWISH faith with JEWISH roots, wrongly think the JEWISH faith is unbelief. Jews who are atheists are not in the Jewish family of faith since they have no faith. Who are the wicked if not those who are in the Greek (Gentile) family who have not been grafted onto the Jewish faith? Who are the wicked if not those of Jewish or Gentile descent who do not worship Adonai under the Abrahamic Covenant or Yeshua under the Yeshua Covenant which is the same God even though the Lord blinded the Adonai worshippers to the identity of Adonai?
34. #29 , Jesus was a Jew
Jake   (06.17.08)
who lived as a Jew and died a Jew. He did not convert to anything, so why should he "kill the Jews" if they don't "convert"? On the other hand, your comparison falls flat, since the "Ahmedinejad types" DO kill Iranian people if they do not conform to their insane version of religion. A new stricter clamp down on dress codes has been passed, and now "offenders" are required to report where they got their "offensive" clothing? That's what I call a Reign of Terror, and if you had any guts you would be standing up to those responsible, instead of incessantly bombarding Israeli forums with your incoherent attacks.
35. No, our holy books are not equally extremist
Raymond in DC ,   Washington, DC USA   (06.17.08)
Said (#14) in London argues, "All three religions think that ONLY THEIR RELIGION can save the world and that THEIR Messiah is the right one." Sorry fellow, this doesn't hold water. As Thomas (#25) points out, the Torah is for the Jewish people (and for those who choose to join us). We acknowledge that other nations have their own prophets, who need only follow the seven Noahide laws. Moreover, the Jews were bequeathed only one small piece of territory, with no imperative to conquer beyond that territory. And if one compares Christianity to Islam, just compare their two prophets and the model they provide. One preached love and tolerance, the other preached wars of conquest and domination. There's no equivalence here.
36. brilliant
Tova kasnett ,   Efrat, Israel   (06.17.08)
i think that Mr perry wrote in quite brilliant, it gave me a lot to think about.
37. # 33 Rivkah
Thomas   (06.17.08)
In one of the battles spoken of in the Bible where the Israelites are defeated, they ask God why He allowed it to happen to His people. I'm sorry I don't recall the chapter and verse but God basically explains that he allowed the pagans to win because He loves them too and it did not mean He was punishing Israel. Obviously the Messianics have a completely different understanding.
38. #33 Read 1Cor10:33.There are 3 families of people.The Jews,
the church, and the ,   Gentiles.   (06.17.08)
39. #14 Yeah, & I can't wait for you to tell Yeshua that on
judgement day!! ,   Blah,ha,ha,ha,ha.   (06.17.08)
40. #37Yeah, w/out chapter & verse, this is just another koranic
fable. ,   Rueben, Israel   (06.17.08)
41. 38: No. There are two. A Jew who is a Jew in his/her heart
Rivkah   (06.17.08)
is a Jew. If the Jew is not a Jew in his/her heart, the person becomes a Greek (Gentile). The church is Jewish or it is Gentile. If it is Gentile, it is another Jesus, not Yeshua. The church of God in I Corinthians 10:32 is Jewish, a part of the Jewish faith. He is a not a Jew who is one outwardly, but not in his heart. He is a Jew who is one inwardly in his heart. The church is grafted onto a Jewish tree of faith with Jewish roots. The church becomes part of the body of a Jewish Messiah, Yeshua, and is therefore Jewish. If the churches do not wish to be Jewish, then they are Gentile and have no part in the true faith. Shocking? Yes. Read Mark 7:7. It says, "Howbeit in VAIN do they worship me, teaching for doctrine, the commandments of men." The Sunday sabbath of the churches is a commandment of men from the Council of Laodicia that John in Revelation warned was totally apostate. Yet, you probably honor a Sunday sabbath, the sabbath of King Jeroboam (8th day) and Egypt and most pagan religions except the Muslims who have a Friday sabbath. Do you REALLY think the billion Roman Catholics who worship idols and have a Sunday Sabbath and do not believe Yeshua is the only mediator between God and man and who believe a works salvation are saved? That church is called a Mother Harlot (false religion) dressed in purple and red, sits on seven hills, deals in the souls of men, and is drunk with the blood of the Saints (Saturday Sabbath keepers with real faith). She has Harlot daughters, the Sunday Protestant Churches. The Church is not a separate being from the Jewish faith: it is the REAL Jewish faith, grafted onto the Jewish tree of faith with Jewish roots. Adonai is Yeshua. Jews who worship Adonai and believe the Messiah is coming are saved by faith in the Covenant with Abraham. Gentiles and Jews whose eyes are opened (God blinded the eyes of Jews) worship Yeshua with a SATURDAY Sabbath, a sign of the covenant of REAL BELIEVERS. EIGHT souls were saved from the great flood on the whole earth. Two adults who left Egypt with Moses entered the Promise land (Joshua and Caleb). But YOU think Billions of phony Christians who believe in a works salvation and a phony sabbath of man who do things their way and persecute and murder the Jews are a separate church. It is under the Gentiles, not the Jews. The church under the Jews has a Saturday Sabbath and knows God instead of THINKING they know God, only to be disappointed and cast into the fires of hell, too late to repent of being brainwashed by the Council of Laodicia corruptions of the faith.
42. 38 cont'd: When Yeshua says one thing and his followers say
Rivkah   (06.18.08)
something else, go with Yeshua. Yeshua said there is neither Jew nor Greek in those who are saved, but all who are saved are one in Christ. Christ is Jewish, so the saved are Jewish in Christ, not Gentile. The unsaved Jews are outcasts eternally, so they are as Gentiles.
43. Ahmadinejad is a Con Man
Cynthia ,   USA   (06.18.08)
A theatrical micro-manager who rants and threatens Israel when his nuclear program is questioned. He's a fanatic but not really a religious fanatic. His mahdi obsession is part of his bag of tricks to elevate himself as the special and spiritually empowered leader of the Muslim world. While Ahmadinejad plunges Iran into a pit of doom, the third round of sanctions will clearly impact Iran financially. Productivity, human rights, quality of life don't seem to matter in Iran but majlis, mullahs and Revolutionary guards understand the term "lose money from pocket". More sanctions please!
44. He is most dangrous rular for all Arab and Muslim countries
Daniel ,   Israel   (06.18.08)
Mark my words
45. Arab countries, be friends with Israel, In your own interest
Daniel ,   Israel   (06.18.08)
The only country in your immediate neighborhoods you can trust. Conduct your own study. This is a challenge to you all.
46. To Persian Cat #29. Enhance Your Knowledge About.
Maansingh ,   The Netherlands   (06.18.08)
You say :”.. born-again Evangelicals (say) (Lord Jesus Christ) .. will be killing the Jews if they don’t convert “. Persian Cat, who has taught you the above NONSENSE ? Lord Jesus Christ NEVER EVER said that Jews should be killed when they don’t convert. TO kill someone because he doesn’t want to convert to another religion -- should NOT be called a religion ; it SHOULD be called a mafia-club, a gang-club, a club consisting of mobsters !!! BTW real religion has NOTHING to do with killing. Real religion means to enhance your knowledge about God ; to want to know MORE and MORE and MORE about God. BTW religion is NOT meant to intimidate people, to terrorize people, to force people to practice. AS soon as you force people to practice ‘religion’ -- it is NOT called religion ANYMORE ; it is called gang-rule, mob-rule. Persian Cat, reading your TB, I get the impression that you have become acquainted with, have become accustomed to gang-rule, which goes by the name Islam. Persian Cat, I think, you and your like should now START to practice the real religion of Islam -- and STOP practicing gang-rule, which is going on in present-day Islam. BTW when you and your like will practice real religion -- you guys will become lovers of God. AT the present moment you guys are lovers of hatred. BTW hatred is a poison that kills the hater from inside himself. MEANING : it is self-destructive.
47. our prophet daniel tells us what will happen
yahn goodey   (06.18.08)
in the book of daniel 11:40-45 the angel Gabriel tells daniel that at the end time the king of the south will "push" at the king of the north who will invade the middle east and overthrow many countries and just before his end set up his base camp in israel-------so far to my logic president bush has fulfilled at least verse 40 in dealing with afghanistan and iraq----with more to come either by him or his replacement king of north.
48. Let me make it clear that this Appolcalyptic version
Palestinian   (06.18.08)
of AhmadiNejad is not shared by main stream Islam... This is Shiite version of this... For main stream Islam, there is no Messiah that is coming at the end of times except Jesus son of Mary who according to Islamic tradition will lead the submitters (Islamic nation) in a battle against the anti-christ... In main stream Islam, there is a mention of a character called al-Mahdi... However, he is mentioned to be a leader among the Muslims who will recapture Jerusalem and who will lead Jesus son of Mary in a prayer before Jesus annihilates the anti-christ. Final comment... when Jesus comes back, the Prophet Muhammad mentioned that Jerusalem will reach its glories... and that the Glory of Jerusalem will be so far that people will leave even al-Madina to own a piece of land in Jerusalem.... "Imranu Bait al-Maqdis, Kharabu Yathreb". Cheers!
49. #1 I agree
s. ,   WPB, fl   (06.19.08)
He is just like every other one who when blamed for society's ills, deflects and relies on blind faith.
50. Believers vs NOn
s ,   WPB, fl   (06.19.08)
Disagree because then there would be no concept of good versus bad/ evil
51. Concise and Informative
IK ,   Israel   (06.19.08)
Perry and Halevi bring their expertise and knowledge to the forefront in this article. Its concise manner makes it a must-read for those who need an enriched understanding of Ahmadinejad's statements and actions.
52. To Y. Goodey#47. Earth does NOT disappear -- empires do.
Maansingh ,   The Netherlands   (06.19.08)
You write :".. and (the king will) overthrow many countries ..". Yahn, empires come and empires go. Empires appears and empires disappears. IN the past so many thousands of years many empires, like the Greek Empire ( 300 B.Chr.), the Roman Empire, etc., etc., have all gone -- but planet Earth remains. MEANING : planet Earth does NOT disappear -- but empires do. So Yahn, we should, in actuality, be interested in the Maker of planet Earth, namely, in YAHWEH, the Supreme Lord. We should want to know MORE and MORE and MORE about YAHWEH, the Supreme Lord. To know YAHWEH, the Supreme Lord, is the highest aim of life. IF we have not acquired sufficient knowledge about YAHWEH, the Supreme Lord -- that means we are wasting our life here on planet Earth ; that means we are wasting our time here on planet Earth. BTW the lifespan of the human being on planet Earth is VERY short. Who knows when you or I will leave our body ? Before breathing our last breath -- a sane person, a person with common sense should do everything possible to acquire knowledge about YAHWEH, the Supreme Lord. Such a person is considered to be really intelligent -- while others only appear to be intelligent.
53. #16 Yes
Red Temple ,   White Mtns.   (06.21.08)
54. zionists & masons are worse
raIsEvil   (07.17.08)
these cults base their ideas on lies and deception.. us and all G7 nations are controlled by these cults.. so i'd rathar be aware of them than ahmadinejad.. cuz the mahdi will come only if the dajjal (most probably the mason messiah) comes..
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