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Peres confronts Arab League leader at Jordanian convention
Ronen Medzini
Published: 18.06.08, 20:26
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1. Peres should tell them
Miriam ,   israel   (06.18.08)
that the Arabs are THEIR brothers, not ours, and they should take them back to their Arab countries. They have 22 of them after all, while we, Jews, only have 1 tiny little country in the world.
2. Nice going, Mr. President....
Andy ,   ramat hasharon   (06.18.08)
why are our neighbors so full of shit? It confounds me. Of course the arab leage won't come to Jerusalem BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT PEACE.
3. QADHAFI: "WE GAVE NEGOTIATIONS A SERIOUS TRY."
Norway   (06.18.08)
The Israelis can sue the Arabs now, and demand billions or even trillions in compensation for the damage caused them in 1948-1967. You Arabs admitted that the [Palestinian] cause began after 1967. So the Israelis can ask: "Why did you fight us before that?" They will demand Arab compensation for the so-called embargo on Israel and for the economic damage caused to the Israelis. If the Israelis sue you, they will win. They will say: We suffered an injustice. We are like an innocent lamb surrounded by wolves. We've been saying this since 1948. Now the Arabs themselves have admitted that Palestine was occupied in 1967. Now they demand that Israel return to the pre-1967 borders, saying this will resolve the problem, and they will recognize Israel. Why didn't you recognize Israel before 1967? All the damage suffered in 1948, 1956, 1967, and 1973, to this day – what was it all for, if the entire Palestinian cause - - began after 1967? Why didn't you recognize the so-called Israel before 1967, if Palestine was not occupied before then? This is strange. It is illogical. It doesn't make sense. What is this? (See transcript) http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1731.htm
4. Hamas prefers the deaths of Israelis over the lives of ...
Robert Bernier ,   Tel Aviv   (06.18.08)
Hamas prefers the deaths of Israelis over the lives of Palestinians Hamas, the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, sees the struggle for Palestine as neither an ordinary political dispute between two contending nations (Israelis and Palestinians), nor even as a struggle for national self-determination by an indigenous population against a foreign occupier. Rather, it sees Palestine as but one battle in a worldwide holy war to prevent the fall of a part of the House of Islam to infidels. Hamas tends to prefer the deaths of Israelis over the lives of Palestinians as described at : http://xrl.us/bmdnh
5. Arab League to Peres: "I admire you, I love you"
Jake   (06.18.08)
... But I do not recognize your right to exist. If you want peace, here is an offer you can't refuse. Oh, by the way, Mr. Peres, I am your friend.
6. israel from nile to euprates
adam ,   london   (06.18.08)
israel is from the nile to euprates, it will be in the future as g-d promised, which includes gaza, some of syria including golan, jordan and some of egypt including hasinai.
7. Typical Arab rant. First, they tell Peres how they love him
Typical ,   USA   (06.18.08)
Than, than they go on to tell Peres how they hate Israel. The more you give the enemies the more they want.
8. The Arabs will never respect Israel because Israel gives in
Frank ,   USA   (06.18.08)
It was stupid to remove the Jews from Gaza. It demonstrates again and again how insatiable the Hamastanis are.
9. Mousa a paid deplomat(not leader). Treat him as such.
KMR ,   Overseas   (06.18.08)
This person made his life on hatred.
10. #2 About Peres
JAy3 ,   Israel   (06.18.08)
He created this whole problem by bringing Arafat from Tunis and helped support the Bogus Palastinians that never existed prior to Arafat in 67. Peres is as disgraceful as Beilin and Olmert! If the people would of had the choice as of their own president, no way would it of been Peres. These speeches he is making are completely hypocritical!
11. Of course Musa is right about this.
Palestinian   (06.18.08)
How comes Israel wants peace and at the same time wants to Keep East Jerusalem? How comes Israel wants peace and at the same time they do not want the millions of Palestinian refugees to enter their homeland. They are living only within 200 miles away in Lebanon or Jordan? How comes Israel wants peace when they make the Palestinians live as strangers in their homeland? How comes Israel wants peace when Palestinians can build and invest everywhere in the world, go the best schools of the world, and participate at all levels all over the place, but are unable to do the same in their homeland? How comes Israel wants peace and they teach their people lies about the History of this region? Ignoring the fact that most Palestinians are descendant of the peasants of Palestine since ever history was recorded and the semitic people who inhabited this land since the Canaanite ages.... Irrespective if their language is Arabic or Aramaic, if they were predominantly pagan, Jewish, Christian, or Muslim... Yes my friends... Israel does not want peace... They want peace according to their terms, which in our term means really surrender, giving up our will and history, and leaving this land for people who come from Russia and Poland and every where else of the world except its original local people who are referred to as the Palestinians... P.S: Palestinian simply means a local and a native of Palestine. I do not want to hear about where the word comes from etc.... If this place was called Y, then we are the Y'ians...!
12. I had no idea that Israeli officials could talk!!
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13. beautiful talking, they are booth right, but what is wrong?
Simon Mohammed ,   Falls Church, VA USA   (06.19.08)
that is the question we must ask and find an answer too. thanks
14. Taqqiya! Arab Hypocrisy! Deception! And oil...
Enzo ,   london,uk   (06.18.08)
Is the diplomat called Moussa happy now he has appeased Gaddafi and the M.B.???
15. After all...
Soeren ,   Cologne/Germany   (06.19.08)
... it's good that Israel is allowed to come to this conference in Petra/Jordan – and that Egypt is selling natural gas to Israel. Also, during the conference they expressed their personal mutual respect. One should not overestimate that – but... it could be worse. Perhaps, the relations between Israel and Jordan/Egypt are a bit like those between Germany and France/Britain/The Netherlands in the 1950s: Cold, full of ressentiment and definetely not heartly. It took decades for better, trustful and warm relations with these countries today. With the Palestinians it's a different thing, I guess. While I somehow doubt that the Palestinians want peace – or maybe some want, but are too weak to fight their radical Islamists – I could imagine that states like Jordan and Egypt want an end to the conflict. After all, today Israel, Jordan and Egypt have the same enemies – and I think the King of Jordan is a honest and quite fine politician...
16. Yes it's good
cfs ,   Tlse France   (06.19.08)
because they are talking each others without unaware each others ! Good ! Its better than not talking each others !
17. #11, your version of history was written by the KGB
Jake   (06.19.08)
"most Palestinians are descendant of the peasants of Palestine since ever history was recorded and the semitic people who inhabited this land since the Canaanite ages" You are not like the Turks and Persians, who were Islamized by the conquering Arab tribes but retained to a large degree their original languages. You are Arabs who entered the Near East in wave after wave starting from the late Roman period and continuing throughout the Islamic period, and even into the British Mandate. This is attested by Roman, Byzantine, and Islamic historians. You can claim that your people were there since Adam, but not a shred of evidence backs it up. The Jews' at least have their national history recorded in the Bible, which you may dismiss as myths and legends, but which nevertheless demonstrate to even the most of stubborn of skeptics ethno-linguistic roots in the Levant going back to the dawn of recorded history.
18. To: #11,because.......
Asher ,   NY, USA   (06.19.08)
When Israel took her own residents thousands of them from Gaza and handed everything to Palastinians in Gaza what she got in return was not peace and everyday is getting missiles and rockets coming down on the head of their children in the schools and their homes. Why should they give back Jerusalem?? To make sure that Hamas and Islamic Jihad and Iran will take over everything and slaughter the Jews and wipe them off the map???????? Because the homeland of Plastine had it's own bounries as far as Gaza and there were no further bigger thritory than Gaza for Palastine and that only was created after centuries t when Jews were expelled by God's command all over the world and God never got their right of possession of the land but temporily the right of inhabiting there till they come back again as they did in 1948. You should refer to History not by the middle of the Book but from the very beginning. Jews also live and invest all over the world in many centuries and they still doing taht and most of the Jewish population are living outside Israel. They do not live in poverty or missery because they had paeceful leaders who taught us for centuries to live with peace and harmony where ever we live and not to live as TERRORISTS. The situation the Jews lived during centuries were far worst than Palastinians but we never raised our kids and nation to kill when ever they can and wher ever we are. Even today the Germans are regretting what they did to us and they balme themselves as Arabs will do in future............ We streched our hands for peace and there are Terrorists among you that only can bite and run........ I am sure if you were looking for peace there was enough room for everyone to live in harmony next to each other but even Eygpt was not willing to have Gaza after 1967 and go and read the History what Jordan did to Arafat when he was alive.... No one can take Terrorism among themselves............ Do nont blame Israel for your small or big problems. Go study your Leaders and find out what they are up to. They are for Death and Israel is for Life.......That's the differnce and thats answer to your questions.
19. Peres: how are you going to prevent the rocket fire?
observer   (06.19.08)
Moussa: why should I make your home-work for you?
20. #11, I am a collector of books on antique maps
Jake   (06.19.08)
The standard name used on Renaissance and exploration-era maps for the land between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River was Judaea (Latin Iudaea). Palestine did not start creeping into Western usage until the 18th century, and officially only with the British Mandate. Admit it, you call yourselves Palestinians because that it the name applied by Britain to the Mandate (except your applied the name to yourselves after the Mandate was terminated).
21. To Jake number 17
Observer   (06.19.08)
You are not necessarily right either. Arabs are semitic people who spanned south, central, and north Arabia.... North Arabia includes the Syria and Palestinians deserts... Canaanites, and some of the Hebrews are also from the Arabian stock. Arabia has a mysterious history, and we know little about it... but for one thing that we know, is that Arabic speaking people of Palestine and Syria have similar origins to other Semitic people like the Nabateans, Canaanites, and others... You could think of these as some sort of ancient Arabs... Aramaic language was spoken in the Levant as well as in north Arabia... Nabateans are an example... Their langauge seamlessly became what we know today as Arabic.... In fact, the Arabic letter is a Nabatean character. Herod's the Great was a Nabatean Arab too! Practicing Jew and not a pagan.... Islam spread the Arabic language to Egypt.... It is not correct though to assume that today's Egyptians are somehow coming from Arabia... Does not make sense... Are Sudanese coming from Arabia too?? They do look more African than Arab for sure... Many Palestinians were definitely Jews at one point... Judaism is a faith that you can convert to it and from it...
22. #11
An American   (06.19.08)
I am confused. Since 1948 and earlier, the Arabs have been trying to destroy Israel. 1948, 1967, 1973 and hundreds of terrorist attacks in between( including today's 29 missiles fired), yet it is Israel that does not want peace?? Don't insult us here in the US. We know better..
23. #11 - The Natives of Palestine
Wage Peace ,   Salaam   (06.19.08)
#11 has defined "palestinian" for us-- P.S: Palestinian simply means a local and a native of Palestine. OK- Lets go with this and follow the logic- The "refugee camps" across the world contain very few "locals and natives" but rather the great-grandchildren and great-great grandchildren of "locals and natives" who emigrated from "Palestine" for any number of reasons, including, but not limited to the difficulties of living in a nation at war. (a war that some of them instigated, participated in and lost). After 60 years outside of Palestine, it is impossible to say the younger generations are "locals and a native of Palestine." They are "locals and natives" of Lebanon, Egypt, Canada, the US, Europe, wherever fortune has led them. Many have emigrated since for a better life. Good luck to them. More power to these generations as they shed their old labels and create new ones, reaching to the future and to the limitless opportunities. Is #11 saying that one is a local and native of "Palestine" based on heredity? Freezing the identity of a person as "Palestinian" and imputing this person specific rights of emigration and nationality based on the physical residence of his or her grandparents in 1948 is absolutely arbitrary and completely unhelpful. (Which grandparent is required and how many? Is a great uncle enough? How long did the grand parent need to be in palestine to qualify? What if he had moved there for work, but left before 1948? Are the grandchildren of the british officers serving during the mandate "palestinian"?) One cannot forever be a "local and native," nor is it any great benefit. The world moves forward. As one cling to an arbitrary identity based on the chance habitation of ones ancestor or ancestors, one misses the opportunity to define and grow a new authentic identity, complete and less arbitrary. One that may actually relate to the place where you are actually a "local and native." Finally, it is simply unsound immigration policy to allow immigration based on the citizenship of ones ancestors without some other pervailing factor. Israel's government has elected to identify as a Jewish state and therefore has created laws to encourage jewish immigration. A sovereign nation has the right to make this policy decision. A nation cannot survive if its immigration policy is forced upon it. This is absolute breach of sovereignty. Imagine if all the nations of europe were forced to accept the claim of citizenshp of any american whose grandparents emigrated from there. Ireland would be overrun with generations claiming citizen dating back to ancestors who fled during the potato famine. What Iraq and Iran were forced to accept the descendants of the Greeks and Romans who ruled there. The notion of citizenship would dissappear. I could rant for hours. This of the paletinians as "local and native" drives me to diversion
24. #17
mike honcho ,   ny,us   (06.19.08)
most jews are turkic people who are from khazar if you look at byzantine and persian and russian writings back in 11th century they converted from pagan to jews they might have little bit middleeastern dna but so does Queen elizabeth from european royal families marrying north africans but that doesn't make her middleeastern just like most ashkhanazi either if anything parts of ukraine belong to european jews
25. Peres
Bachrach Andres ,   kfarsaba il.   (06.19.08)
#15 Soeren Danke schoen Andi mihakfar
26. To the "Palestinian"
Thomas   (06.19.08)
In 1857, the British consul in Palestine, James Finn, reported, "The country is in a considerable degree empty of inhabitants and therefore its greatest need is that of a body of population." At the end of World War I, some of Palestine's land was owned by absentee landlords who lived in Cairo, Damascus and Beirut. About 80% of the Palestinian Arabs were debt-ridden peasants, semi-nomads and Bedouins. Analyses of land purchases from 1880 to 1948 show that 73% of Jewish plots were purchases from large landowners, not poor fellahin". - The Peel Commission (1937) · The Arab charge that the Jews have obtained too large a proportion of good land cannot be maintained. Much of the land now carrying orange groves was sand dunes or swamp and uncultivated when purchased...there was at the time at least of earlier sales little evidence that the owners possessed either the resources or training needed to develop the land. Jews paid more than $20 million at 1936 rates) to arab landowners, mostly estate holders...In 1944, Jews payed between $1000 and $1100 per acre in Palestine, mostly for arid or semi-arid land; in the same year, rich black soil in Iowa was selling for about $110 per acre (U.S. Dept. of Agriculture)" - The Peel Commission's report in Land Ownership in Palestine, 1880-1948 According to British government statistics, prior to the establishment of the State of Israel, 8.6% of the land area now known as Israel was owned by Jews; 3.3% by Arabs who remained there; 16.5% by Arabs who left the country. More than 70% of the land was owned by the British Government. Under international law, ownership passed to Israel in 1948. The public lands included most of the Negev Desert --half of Palestine's post-1922 total area. source: Survey of Palestine, 1946, British Mandate Government It is made quite clear to all, both by the map drawn up by the Simpson Commission and by another compiled by the Peel Commission, that the Arabs are as prodigal in selling their land as they are in useless wailing and weeping (author's emphasis). - Transjordan's King Abdullah, in his memoirs In 1946 Bartley C. Crum, a United States Government observer, noted that tens of thousands of Arabs had entered Palestine "because of this better life - and they were still coming." How much more needss to be said? Believe this is a small sample refuting your bogus history.
27. # 3 That was an excellent clip
Thomas   (06.19.08)
I've never imagined an Arab leader would admit Gaza was Egyptian and the West Bank Jordanian. I even agree with Gadafi that Arafat's death should have been investigated. The French know the truth. He died of AIDS.
28. #14 Taqqiyat is Shiite, Gaddafi is Jewish, Moussa is Suni
observer   (06.19.08)
29. #6 do you believe in G-d's Kashirut?
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30. #20 nomenclature
(06.19.08)
it is not Judaism or Jewishness. It is only Yehudia. you can't even pronounce Hebrew letters as it is for.
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