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MP4s are devil's device, says Orthodox Court
Neta Sela
Published: 30.06.08, 08:10
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1. Taliban has spoken
rh ,   Modiin Israel   (06.30.08)
Ship these fools off to Kabul
2. good ill take 2 please
Simon ,   TA the free city   (06.30.08)
And the good lord said>>>>>>>>>>>> what a load of male cow droppings. As usaul any form of protest from the ultra orthadox come in the form of vandalism and threats of violence, which they seem to have adopeted from their brothers in the Teliban.
3. Put article on CNN & all world share Iranians view on Israel
Sam ,   London   (06.30.08)
4. lol
5. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Talula ,   Israel   (06.30.08)
Good that we get to laugh these days. Do these people have any idea, any idea at all, how utterly stupid and ridiculous they allow themselves to get, each and every day. Now they are scared of an MP4 player? It's not the player they should be afraid of. They are finding everything and anything to blame for their sexual frustration and anger. Even if every MP4 was to disappear off the face of the earth, it still would not solve the problem that these people are sexually suppressed and do not lead a normal healthy and happy existence. It’s no good trying to eliminate every threat that could lead them astray – they need to work on themselves to find out WHY they are tempted so easily.
6. The taliban take action
jason white ,   afula,israel   (06.30.08)
They are guided by the mullahs of mear shearim.
7. This is sad and childish
David G   (06.30.08)
It is when I see articles like this that I wonder what my Haradi brothers and sisters are thinking. Those that fear technological progress are doomed to be hurt when they eventually submit to it. This device is simply a tool their fear says more about their lack of self control and free will then about its potential harm. Why not ban pens and blank paper? You can write something vulgar on it.
8. Traditional orthodox intolerance
hiram ,   Oswiecim   (06.30.08)
With such idiotic rulings by a zealot minority, Israel has nothing to envy to our neighbours. In Iran, Saudi-Arabia, or even Gaza, religious police is hunting for " threats " and condemning the sinners....! Is nt that one of God's attributes rather than men ? Ultra-Orthodox , all over the place , and I include all the religions, have one thing in common : they are intellectually limited and have not achieved their own growth as a part of "mankind". Ultra orthodox communities in Israel are no more no less the equivalent of the cast of Mollahs in Iran, the same type that persecute minorities and gives Judaism ( like Islam) an horrendous reputation....
9. ... because G*d wants you to vandalise stuff :/
Patrick ,   Haifa   (06.30.08)
10. I watch shirim on my MP4 player
Russel ,   Tlv   (06.30.08)
When I am alone I can pray while listening to an MP4 recital downloaded for free off the web, not to mention the thousands of shiurim MP3s available for free of the web. I do a workout accompanied by an exercise video and can even show videos of my kids to family and friends.
11. Come On Come On
YITZAK BEN SHLOMO ,   Singapore   (06.30.08)
Just because the boys demonstrated there a few weeks ago dosent mean they are the culprit who set fire oevr the MP stores. And these Rabbis should actually keep the ban on the Mp player with in their homes and yeshivas.Or used this technology to their benfit and missions. It is all in the Mind- how you use technology. BTW MP were designed and created by Jews. Nya, nya na nya nay na nya na nya yeah :-))))
12. mp4'S are devils
Marlene ,   Israel   (06.30.08)
What about some legal action against this so called rabbi's court for threatening and inciting violence. This is supposed to be a free country and why should the religious Talibun nuts be allowed to get away with this.
SERGIO ,   ISRAEL   (06.30.08)
They chose to call themselves "charedim" the fearful. However they are full of fear of everything except for fear of G-od. As Rabbi Lior says they are "charedim la-puppik", they fear for their own belly button. As Rabbi Nachman teaches: "What is that idol in your heart? It is fear. When you are afraid it means that you have not enough faith. A place is your heart is occuped by sometrhing else and not by G-od. That idol is fear."
14. The Devil's Money
Jerry ,   Eilat   (06.30.08)
The only contemporary development the rabbis do not reject is fund transfers from the taxpayers of Israel to their accounts. What a savings it would be if modern banking were ruled the devil's work and the transfers stopped.
15. usual incitement and garbled article
get facts first.   (06.30.08)
robert goldman ,   Kfar Saba Israel   (06.30.08)
OY VA VOY LANU! the Taliban are on the loose! Looks like it's time to airfrieght them back to brooklyn where they can bang their collective heads against the walls of their shuls and leave us to live. And since they say there is no Israel then why the hell do they live here? (Hmmmm lets see? Cheap hookers? Free housing? money for over populating?) Shgip them home. or better yet move them to IRAN where they will love it!
17. I think we should ban electricity ....
Terry ,   Eilat, Israel   (06.30.08)
It's too much of a temptation to break the Shabbat - one click of a switch & we're on our way to hell. While we're at it, let's ban cars, radios, TV, foreign language publications, all advertising, secular education, & calendars with any date past 1500. We can hide from the world in caves, rubbing sticks together to make fire, and live like our ancestors. This is becoming a form of mental illness - it gets crazier every day.
18. Do not lump all Orthodox Together
Yerach ,   Jerusalem,Israel   (06.30.08)
I myself am Orthodox & hold these fools in contempt with their chumra of the week. This is not Judaism to keep on banning things. A true talmid chacham will find a a way to deem something permissible if possible & any fool can say something is forbidden. I wish these rabbis would stop pushing their chumrot on everybody as they speak only for their own communities & not Orthodoxy as a whole. Please do not lump us all together as the vast majority of us Orthodox detest these Jewish ayatolahs as much as you do.
19. THANKS to the Orthodox Rabbis who ban filth & immoral sights
Miriam ,   Israel   (06.30.08)
Chareidi schools have no violence whatsoever, unlike public schools whose children live in a world of filth and murder, etc. they view on TV and via other sources, violent incidences and immoral behaviors among students are daily occurrences.
20. #19 Miriam tottaly cluelss as usual
Simon ,   TA the free city   (06.30.08)
"public schools whose children live in a world of filth and murder" - you say> i guess thats your fellow jews and countrymen you are refering to , who needs arab enemies when have you dishing out your usual brand of charm, clearly demonstarting to everyone what religion has turned you into. Actually on the subject of morals, you might want to check out what your ultra orthadox pals are up to this shabbat, by clicking on the following link:,7340,L-3561961,00.html
21. # 18 Yerach
Simon ,   TA the free city   (06.30.08)
Nice to see you have some sanity afterall. You see, who says you and me can never agree? i checked my spelling this time as i know you get angry with me.
22. Funny, I have a TV. I choose to watch mainly PBS. ...
Stewart ,   USA   (06.30.08)
I haven;t decided to go out and shoot people, rape someone, drink more than what is recommened ect. ect. I decided to turn my TV upside down and shake it to see if a devil falls out. Nada, nothing. Somehow I think this has to do with my own choices. As far as temptation is concerned, "You get my TV or MP4 when you pry it out of my cold dead hands, " to play on a quote of Charlton Heston.
23. #19 Stupid
Jerry ,   Eilat   (06.30.08)
Nothing like a stupid generalization to prove stupidity.
24. #19 "Stupid generalization" you say.
Miriam ,   Israel   (06.30.08)
That's exactly what Ynet does for chareidim - and you don't realize it only when it's said on public schools and is sadly true.
25. #19
Talula ,   Israel   (06.30.08)
Haredi schools have no violence whatsoever? That's a bit of a blanket statement, even from someone as delusional as you. Haredim have a way of hushing things up and keeping it among themselves, such as child abuse, mentally and sexual, wife beating and other violent domestic behaviour. "immoral behaviors among students are daily occurrences" I think it's called adolescence you Idiot!. And it's very healthy. Maybe if there was more immoral behaviour on your side of the fence, you wouldn't continually look to blame others for something that comes so naturally to the rest of us. Being a religious nut case still does not exempt you from having normal sexual urges – no-one and nothing can be blamed for that – it’s how you were created.
26. OK, but what about MP3, AAC, and other formats?
Noah ,   New York, NY   (06.30.08)
Maybe it's just the MP4 format they don't like?
27. TO MIRIAM no 19
STANLEY MILNER ,   TEL AVIV   (06.30.08)
maybe they do not have violence in thier schools, they destroy shops and other peoples belonings who do not agree with them. which is just as bad,
28. Marlene 12...
Hiram ,   Oswiecim   (06.30.08)
Dear MArlene...Israel has never been a fully free country. A free country is one in which religion is totally separated from the affairs of the state.. Would you see such a situation in the Netherlands ? or Germany ? Italy ? Spain ? Of course no long as there will not be a totally secular government runing the country within the expected standards of democracy and various political representation ( buit NOT religious people ) will be confronted to this kind of situation which makes Israel look just like its neighbours !
29. Just add another one to the long list
aryeh ,   Bne Brak   (06.30.08)
The Ynet talkback window "will not publish incitement or slander ". Your articles slur the Hareidim, fuel resentment and strengthen prevailing misconceptions. Where is your sense of social responsibility? For all you Hareidi bashers out there just try to understand that the problem is not technology but rather the readily accessible, shady content, detrimental to nondiscerning users I am happen to be one of those Hareidim and work in cutting edge technology. Have you ever spoken to a Haredi or just developed such a repugnance based on the newspapers? The "devil's device" is is YNet's literay creation. "Thank you" YNet " for providing another sickening misleading Hareidi slur.
30. #17 - nice one Terry
Simon ,   TA the free city   (06.30.08)
havent laughed so much in ages, yes i think they should cut the electricity its from the devil you know it powers their electric box i think they call it a "television set" as well as powering up their stereo units which play the devils music. i think it allso powers up the computers that pay them their state handouts from those nasty secular tax payers!
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