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Majority of Jewish Israelis: Don't factor Diaspora opinion on border changes
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Published: 01.07.08, 09:34
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1. Money from the Diaspora Jews, YES, but opinions, NO
Miriam ,   Israel   (07.01.08)
2. The Land of Israel is the home of all Jews.
Robert Bernier ,   Tel Aviv   (07.01.08)
Israel is obligated, using our traditional skill with words, to retake the battlefield of ideology and of the mind - and win. The Jewish People have always been made up of different kinds of Jews. We have to make every effort to explain to all Jews that the Land of Israel is their home. Some of them may want to become religiously observant, and some may not - but if this Land cannot be the home of all Jews, then our State will not be able to last. A united Jewish people will not fear anti-Semitism as explained at : http://xrl.us/bju8t
3. Wow :-) Israel really know how to make ENEMIES even
YITZAK BEN SHLOMO ,   SINGAPORE   (07.01.08)
with us - the DIASPORA Jews. JEWS SPIT ON JEWS- LACK UNITY- LACK FAMILY VALUE- YOU KNOW NOTHING NEW - MANY DONT MAKE ALIYAH BECAUSE there is segregation and partisan ATTITUDE & PRACTISE ! I GO : -(
4. Opinions from Israelis who are anti-Israel must not be
Miriam ,   Israel   (07.01.08)
considered. Most Leftists would fall in this category, even Olmert.
5. Ynet
YITZAK BEN SHLOMO ,   SINGAPORE   (07.01.08)
I am going to circulate this article to the family and friends in Singapore. I AM OFFENDED !!!! ( :-0
6. Move to Israel if you'd like to participate
Eli ,   Jerusalem   (07.01.08)
Otherwise, send us money. People in the Diaspora make much more money than we can, so help. But one can never understand the complexities of this country until actually living, working and being here for something other than a vacation or study-abroad, so why should an opinion of someone living outside of the country help decide which street Jersualem should be divided on?
7. Hashem has hissed for his people.Neither Olmert not anybody
else can stop his ,   plan.Rueben, Israel   (07.01.08)
8. Miraim 1&4 your true colors shine so bright
Avi ,   Ramat Gan   (07.01.08)
people who are anti Israel ? ummm now let me see how about your charideem pals , who meet with the iranian president , dont recognise Israel, and who boycot Israeli made goods and do not respect the minutes silenece for our fallen soldiers? As you said in post #1 dont mind taking other peoples money but dont listen to their opinions , Yep you sound like a true ultra orthadox.
9. Diaspora
D ,   US   (07.01.08)
Trust the current olmert illegal government to drive a wedge between Israeli and diaspora Jews. Perfect olmert scheme: discourage alyah, knowing full well that returning jews who will have the guts to remove him and his gang of criminals.
10. Unfortunately
Sidney ,   USA   (07.01.08)
The fate of Diaspora Jews is tied to Israel. As long as we choose to remain Jews, and if another Hitler arises even if we choose not be to Jews, our lives can be seriously affected by decisions in Israel. After the Six Day War, all Jews shared the honor accorded by the gentile world to the Jews of Israel. When Nasrallah humiliates Israel, he diminishes Jews everywhere. We need Israel as the ultimate refuge for endangered Jews. Therefore, decisions which can lead to the demise of Israel affect us too. The corruption of the Israeli government reinforces the anti-Semitic argument that Jews are inherently dishonest. Religious intolerance in Israel sets a precedent for intolerance against us elewhere. You can choose your friends but not your relatives. The fates of Israel and Diaspora Jews are connected. Therefore, when we comment on Israel actions, we are speaking about actions that affect us.
11. # 3 The Israelis are Right
Thomas   (07.01.08)
There are Diaspora Jews who think that when they give money it is equivalent to army service.
12. Diaspora Jews need to visit Israel to see the miracle
Suncountry ,   U.S.   (07.01.08)
Go Israel! Do things how you vote... you've already tried most of what we meddling diaspora Jews wanted... with very mixed results. Most of us support whatever you figure out to do, on your schedule. You've built a lovely and interesting (culture and science) country and we diaspora Jews thank you.
13. On border issues and Aliyah
Avi   (07.01.08)
There is too much at stake to not allow for diaspora Jews to have a voice. I'm sure they would want to be able to exercise that right, especially in decisions that affect whether or not the state will continue to exist. Every Jew has an interest in that. Another thing, the new paradigm shift is contrary to what Israel was found for. It is meant to be the home to all Jews, and to discourage Aliyah runs counter to that. Bottom lne is that the choice belongs to the individual Jew to decide whether or not to make Aliyah. That's not a decision for Olmert to make. Ever.
14. Gov't must formally deny reports of impendinke in Irang stri
Yonatan ,   Jerusalem   (07.01.08)
Barakeh no the gov't should not deny this report, Iran wants to wipe Israel of the map, But I understand you must be sweeting like your brothers in Iran, I am sure you will not have any problem obtaining a visa to Iran where you will feel safer. It's a big country, lots of holes to hide in.
15. Very sloppy work!
Yossi ,   Levittown, PA/US   (07.01.08)
I don't understand why the press continues to run these polloids, and understand even less why there is no editing of them for content and language correctness. More importantly, those who say "money yes, opinions no" better get a grip. We've already done "taxation without representation" once, and we ain't doin' it again!
16. # 11 Thomas
YITZAK BEN SHLOMO ,   SINGAPORE   (07.01.08)
TRUE but NOT ALL....many give from the heart...but still subject to segregation policy...as for me ...who am i to blame? to be born in the diaspora ? I feel very demoralised already. I express my feeling here. I grew up thinking I have a home in Israel, but today I realise the facts of life . Jews cast away jews ! I am already hurt ! I am getting responses on this article from USA, BRITAIN , HKong, Thailand and here in Singapore too.I circulated this article to all my family and close friends. It seems like it is all worthless, standing for Israel. I will speak to the Lrd G-d about this hurting findings. If i dont recover, i will not return. It is not a loss or a gain for Israel...because money is more important for Israel but not the children of Yisrael who reside in the diaspora.We never forgot out homeland but Israel belittled our diaspora jews. I learn a good lesson today. I state these from my heart. I feel injured and cast away ; - ( I go with a bleeding heart silently :- (
17. It's for the best...
Moriah ,   Sacramento,USA   (07.01.08)
Yes, please do not consider diaspora Jews opinions on anything in regard to Israeli nationalism, borders -- NOTHING - since the majority of diaspora Jews are Reform and want to give the Arabs everything they want. Liberal American Jews: weak, cowardly, appeasing, capitulating, generous with Israeli land and supporting gay Everything!
18. Fools
Hanoch   (07.01.08)
Newsflash to the Jews of Israel: The land was promised to all Jews, not just Jews currently living in Israel. If you cannot understand that simple point, perhaps you should reflect on how much assistance you receive, both financially and politically, from diaspora Jews, particularly in times of crisis (which have been many). It is one thing to be entrusted with making the ultimate political decisions; it is an entirely different thing to suggest that the opinions of diaspora Jews should not even be considered in that process. I used to believe it was only Israeli politicians who lacked integrity; now it seems, assuming this report is accurate, as if they are being joined by a large segment of the population.
19. Racism within Jewish Community in the HOUSE OF YISRAEL !
YITZAK BEN SHLOMO ,   SINGAPORE   (07.01.08)
20. # 16 You have No Right to Feel Hurt
Thomas   (07.01.08)
That you have an Israel to complain about is due to the Israelis who live there, who fight and sacrifice for their country, who work and develop it. You and I have no share in that even if we are Jewish. Merely writing a check doesn't equate to what Israelis do for all of us. It's arrogant to claim otherwise.
21. No representation without taxation
David G   (07.01.08)
In the United States we have an old saying "No taxation without representation" The same is true in reverse. Diaspora Jews do not pay taxes to Israel, we might give money and that dose buy us some influence but it is not the same as those who live, work, and pay taxes. At the end of the day it is Israeli Jews that have to live with the consequences of such choices.
22. Keep $$ home
Yossi   (07.02.08)
Since the majority of Israelis believe diaspora Jews should keep their mouths shut, stay where they are and deal with antisemitism on their own, then it's time for a long overdue change. Diaspora Jews should keep their money HOME and build institutions of Jewish learning, feed their poor, and rebuild the communities that have been foolishly sacrificed.
23. ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YITZAK BEN SHLOMO ,   SINGAPORE   (07.02.08)
I am a Jew for the ORT community of Singapore Jewry, Singapore Diaspora. I would like to make it clear. As a Singapore Diaspora Jew, I am totally against the idea of dividing Jerusalem. About the check – well it is tzedekah , that’s all to it. You want me to join the IDF, well it is a nit late, you idiots forgot me when I was young while living in Malaysia. I went though some worst time in my life as jew, but that is over, but cannot be forgotten .I am save here in Singapore heaven. Here in Singapore I get to be who I am, I am free and I can walk back lane of any part of the island no body robs me or assault me.( except for two incidents, I wrote to the PM of Singapore and he put matter straight and right. Now that is a Good PM and the hallmark character of a Prime Minister of Singapore and his is the son of his father Mr. lee Kwan Yew another Hallmark Character for Politicians to learn from. The Israeli Politians should learn form the PAP govt of the Republic of Singapore on how to build a nation of civilized people. Doing business here in Singapore, staying here, give me ample opportunity to be a Jew. As diaspora Jew I get to be free and have many friends from various ethnic people. Many religions, many races, but one heart, one people, one nation. This I could not experience ion Israel. Israelis are broken an divided on issue which is lack consensus, Israelis cant come together and sit at the table to put their heart an mind together to solve issue concern the very basic need of life and liberty.
24. TWO
YITZAK BEN SHLOMO ,   SINGAPORE   (07.02.08)
I hate the IDEA OF JERUSALEM BEING DIVIDED- this is my only concern. You can have my money and my opinion on this Issue over Jerusalem. To tell you I get very angry when I hear the talk on DIVIDING JERUSALEM. I hate that CONDI WOMAN, GB , and all other who a in favor of DIVIDING JERUSALEM. Keep TELLING ME “ YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO FEEL HURT “ I will tell you I am HURT when it comes border changes. Look , I don’t if you Superior Israeli understand why I feel this way. I am crazy JEW. As crazy I am., I cannot apologize for being born jew. I had no choice in this birth. But I am happy born jew, born a male and am the only crazy son of my baba and Ima. I am spoilt rich, and I know you’ll hate me for that. That is why you idiots show so much of grievance” ABOUT THE CHECK ISSUING ACTION “ Brothers listen , let me do some tzedekah, I am happy but I will not interfere into the domestic affairs of Israel. BUT ON THIS ISSUE OF BORDER CHANGES you idiots better EXCUSE ME ! :-_) ~ If you want me to move to Isreal, no way. I am spoiled here in Singapore.I don’t like the kiond of life there. Especially with the mad rabbis.The last time I was there I was told to stop car racing. Well boys listen, I can stop having sex but not stop car racing.PLEASE ! Similarly about this BORDER CHANGES I SAY A BIG NO !
25. Three
YITZAK BEN SHLOMO   (07.02.08)
Despite all this madness in my head, I still am connected with Israel. Maybe it is the covenant, Some how I feel the eternal covenant and I live it between myself, you and the descendants of the Nation YIsrael. Where ever we are. It is in these I feel the ideal of Justice. Living here in Singapore there is SYSTEM THAT WORKS. I Believe in the SYSTEM.In Israel the SYSTEM IS KAPUT ! In Singapore I experience UNIVERSALISM. I experience these universalism when I get the chance to be there when the surrounding Nation need us most,Everytime a natural disaster strikes we MOVE TO HELP. WE GIVE EVEN WHEN IT IS DISTASTEFUL. This is a part of the UNVERSALISM of being a SINGAPOREAN JEW . Jews from Isarel are most welcome here to Singapore, provided you keep that EXILE LECTURES TO YOUR SELF. Wecome, stay , eat, daven, be happy but don’t give me that EXILE LECTURERS.- like “ OR YOU DON’T LIVE IN ISRAEL “” bla bla bla. In Singapore we are no living like SLAVEs or in Eslavement nor OPPRESSED, We Singapore a Jews are happy.There is fairness, freedom for everyone here PROVIDED you don’t take such freedom to enrich you pockets like a thief Thank G-d for having Israel the promise land.But remember Israel not quiet like the Promise Land as given by Hashem.It is not also the case that we have Israel so much to complain about and no one should undermind the Israeli who live there, so keep Israel moving. They fight on the battle fields, they build the nation. I agree to that notion. It is true, but what STUPIDITY IS IT TO GIVE AWAY LAND and DIVIDING JERUSALEM and cede GOLAN HEIGHTS ? STUPID ! How can there be a solid ground for the the main goal of the government in Israel-Diaspora relations to the promotion of mass aliyah. Why mUST THE LAND OF THE HEBREW BE DIVIDED, what example of education is that ? In no way these promotes Jewish Heritage, Culture. These is not Jewish Value, corruption is not Jewish Values.I need not go into detail as Ynet has been RUBBING ENOUGH SALT on the FACES OF ISRALIES – THE REPORTS SPEAK WELL !
26. FOUR
YITZAK BEN SHLOMO   (07.02.08)
If you my brothers undermine the diaspora jews, you are PROMOTING ANTI_ SEMETISM with in the HOUSE OF JACOB. The HOUSE OF JACOB is BEAUTIFUL PLACE TO BE IN. DON’T SPOIL being SLOPPY ! But don’t be like SLOPPY JABOB TOO ! To those of you who feel superior, let me tell you one or two things about Jacob.Maybe another side of the story, Remember Jacob ? Jacob seemed to grasp for what lied beyond his reach. Attempting even before birth to be the elder of a set of twins, he enviously snatched at his brother Esaus heel as they left our mother Rebecca’s womb. In his later years, Jacob was discontent, even melancholy. Having just been reunited in Egypt with his beloved son, Joseph,Jacob still toold the Paharaoh. ‘ The years of my sojourn are on hundred and thirty, few an bad, not having yet attainied the years of my father “ Go read ! you will also see not only he playing at the edge of scandal. Jacob cheated Esau first of his birthright and then of their father’s blessing. While lliving in mesopatamia, Jacob again skirted authority by secretly devising a way to augment his own flocks when he felt cheated by his uncle laban.
27. FIVE
YITZAK BEN SHLOMO   (07.02.08)
Jacob was originally describes a s a mild child. Jacon was later given to great passion.Arriving in Haran as fugitive from Esau’s wrath, he weeoinly hugged a nd kissed his cousin Rachel evenbefore they were properly introduced. In typical tragic- romantic fashion, Jacob longed for Rachel when she was inaccessible. He worked seven years an d then another seven years as they could marry. Once they were wed however, he sacffoed at her despair over her infertility. When she died while they were on a journey, Jacob didnt even take a half- day trip to the family plot in Hebron. Istead, he buried Racheal on the way to Bethlehem. Only long after she died did Jacob again express his yearning for her, giving hi sons the imopression that only Rachel, rather the Leah or the handmaidens, was truly beloved wife. Jacobs great moment of uplife came upon returning from Haran to Canaan. Anxious about confronting his brother Esau, who was accompnied by armed solders Jacob wrestled with angels of his real fears an demotions, refusing to let go. Although he was wounded in his struggle, he achieved the status of Israel. ‘ CHAMPION Of G-d “, because he has striven with the angel of g-d an men prevailed.
28. SIX
YITZAK BEN SHLOMO   (07.02.08)
In an act of true sensitivity, Jacob made restituition for the hurt he caused by taking Esau’s blessings. Offreing Esau a large gift of servants and domestic animals. He implored. ‘ Please take my blessings which I have brought for you “. When easu demurred, Jacob beseeched him to accept. Although the less prosperous of the two, Jacob wth rare equanimity , told esau. ‘I have everyting” During the last days, Jacob gave each of his sons a true evaluation of their respective characters, Judah and Joesph were praised. Reuben, Simon and Levi wre chastised and told how thay should improve. During these final excahanges with his sons. Jacob asked that he not be buried amid the opulaence of Egypt , but with his anscestors in Canaan. The children of Jacob are all around the world, I am one of them. So don’t undermind the Diapora Jews and The Gentiles who support Israel all the way. We do it even our weakness and in our limitations. About the ISSUE on BORDER I will fight like Jacob .Even if Jerusalem is divide .we will get her back as the status of israel. As diaspora Jew I am EQUALY CRAZY JACOB , As ‘ CHAMPION Of G-d “, because he has striven with the angel of g-d and men prevailed. I do it from Singapore, this is my way. Israel SHALL Prevail for all under one G-d , The Lrd G-d of Yisrael, for Jews and Gentiles and Jerusalem the center of the world where all good thing flow from to the world at large ! As for the children of Ishmael, they can go fly kite else where ! Jerusalem is here to STAY WITH US ! UTIMATUM ! ULTIMATUM ,ULTIMATUM !!!!!!
29. # 16. Tell me when we Jews dont COMPLAIN ?
YITZAK BEN SHLOMO   (07.02.08)
we been complaining through out the ages. REBEL ! Merely writing a check doesn't equate to what Israelis do for all of us.? TRUE but it helps dosent it ? Little bit here an there makes a mountain where a few can sit on away from difficult times : -)~
30. #29 You complain too much and sound unbalanced
Deb   (07.02.08)
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