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Officer sent to prison for fondling female soldier
Hanan Greenberg
Published: 03.07.08, 09:11
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1. Not surprising if they work together.
Miriam ,   Israel   (07.03.08)
Unfortunately, there are loads of such cases unreported.
2. to no. 1 Miriam
JB ,   Australia   (07.03.08)
and how many sexual abuse cases and rape goes on unreported in the haraidi community simply because it happens under the pretext of 'marriage' you should be ashamed of yourself. go take your holier than attitude to the female refuges of israel.
3. Why Jail?
Mike ,   Jerusalem   (07.03.08)
What about Itzik Mordechai and Chaim Ramon? Why didn't they sit in jail? Ramon is a convicted sex offender! Whats good for the goose is good for the gander! Perhaps we should make this soldier a Vice Premier like Ramon is
4. THERE WE GO AGAIN
DAVID ,   JUDEA   (07.03.08)
Just 2 days ago Ynet published an article about only 50% enlistment among our youth ofcourse blaming the Haredi population. So it was time again to put some negative crap about the IDF on the front page, in orfer to boost moral and increase enlistment ,Ynet style. The whole issue is although that women serving in the IDFis a good thing , they should seperated as much as possible from the men, to prevent these kind of things from happening. In creating a socialist atheist society our Herzelist have sucseeded to destroy our moral fiber as a Jewish nation but the Jewish thing is exactly the sore point for our Herzelists. Frankly their whole set up is to be like everyone else and to deny our Jewish inheritance and looking at the results they are mighty sucsesfull at it. Jail time will be not productive, education and moral awarness will be.
5. Israeli chauvinism !
Hiram ,   Oswiecim>Katowice   (07.03.08)
Ahhhhh....these Israeli males ! So sure that they are irresistible, and still so impregnated with middle east ancestral patriarchal culture that they believe they own women.... I have nothing against decent relationship even within tzahal...we all know that a lot of couple have met when they were serving...What I feel is the outrage is the fact that an officer is "using" his position to indulge into such a situation... Chauvinism ! There is no other word. And the girl was absolutely right to report such a behavior.
6. #2 There's less of a chance if they don't work together
Miriam ,   Israel   (07.03.08)
where the yetzer hara is much stronger.
7. Simple Solution
Reuven Brauner ,   Raanana, Israel   (07.03.08)
Ban women from the army. Anyway, it is against the Halacha for Jewish women to bear arms.
8. 3# Correct: Those two major criminals r still hanging around
gabriela ben ari ,   Jerusalem   (07.03.08)
9. Reuven # 7 , please ...
hiram ,   Oswiecim>Katowice   (07.03.08)
Your comment seems to indicate that either you have not yet understood too much about the behavior of Israeli males ( in which case you need further education ) or you understood it but are denying it ( in which case it is even worse). I remind you that Israel was founded on the bllod of men AND women . I remind you that when being under fire in the previous conflicts , bullets do not make difference between men and women....and last but not least , women are citizen of the state of Israel and as such entitled to the same benefits AND duties... Keep you halachic rules for the shul ! If Israeli woemn did not serve in the army, I am convinved that it would be even easier for Israeli chauvinist males to abuse them for lifetime !
10. #1 Miriam - Does your rabbi know you surf the internet
Simon ,   TA Israel   (07.03.08)
Surely surfing the Internet as you most clearly, can lead you in to temptation and lead you astray, what does your rabbi say about this?
11. Pity for him he wasn't a cabinet minister...
Jonathan ,   Israel   (07.03.08)
... he could be deputy Prime Minister by now!
12. Miriam, Get Off It
Esther ,   Ofarim, Israel   (07.03.08)
I am a secular woman, considered attractive (whatever that means) and I work in an all male environment. Guess what!!! I am treated with respect and consideration. No one harrasses me, no one makes me uncomfortable. We have respect for each other. This is also the case in our other offices that have the same staff composition. The Master Sergeant was scum. He should be drummed out of the military. Get it? It's about attitude. Respect. Self control. Education. Not about gender segregation, taliban or haredi style. It's not about sticking women in the back of the bus or segregating sidewalks.
13. No. 5 Hiram
NYC Girl   (07.03.08)
You can't really blame it on "Israeli chauvinism" since, unfortunately, this goes on in far too many societies. In fact, we can't even blame it strictly on male chauvinism since there have been a spate of incidents here in the States involving female teachers and under-aged male students. The problem stems more from a power imbalance than some sort of cultural pathology.
14. Its time to move to a professional army
Al   (07.03.08)
This draft is like a fishermans net...takes along fine fish along with crap. With a reported rape stat in the army of approx 25%,its about time that things will change and quickly. Severe punishment is in order in spite of remorse. Remorse is the last refuge of the guilty. This scum bucket should have been charged with attempted rape and if found quilty severly punished.. Its also time to move to a professional well paid,well trained. well motivated army. I am a clay shooter and hunter...At my club you see well disciplined well trained people with a certain zeal for what you like to do. An army should not be any different. It should be viewed as a professional vocation. Social egineering is not the function of an army. An army is the batterring ram of a society intent on self preservation.
15. Reuven, simple solutions are normally the wrong ones
meira ,   Israel   (07.03.08)
As Esther says in #12, this officer was scum and we know about this incident because he was punished by the army. Have you never heard of sexual harassment in offices, factories, etc. etc.? Wherever there are men, women will be bothered at some time. Perhaps you would like to shut the women away Taliban-fashion - and that has had only bad results for their society!
16. #7 Reuven will the ultra orthaodx be replacing them
Simon ,   TA Israel   (07.03.08)
So i presume your ultra orthodox pals will be replacing the women? You seem to have forgotten that if it were not for the brave men and women of this country who gave their lives to this country serving in the IDF you would not be sitting in Raanana today typing your usual drival. Grow up get a life
17. Non-com broke the #1 rule for males in any society.
Yonatan ,   Nahariya   (07.03.08)
My father always told me to never get meat where you get your bread. For those with low apptitudes (left wingers) it means never have a relationship where you derive your livelihood. Even if the opposite sex is willing it is just a formula for severe strife and horrendous consequences. I don't advocate inappropriate sexual advances or mixing men and women in a military setting with no oversight. A man who acts like a dog is untractable around women in any setting. This mans remorse seems olny motivated becaise he was caught, not because he actually felt he had done something horribly wrong.
18. And then there's this :-)
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (07.03.08)
In a land far away… a granddaughter was excitedly telling her Grandma that she was having her first date without a chaperone. Grandma unpacked the wisdom of a long life, told her of how the date would probably go and gave her granddaughter a list of things she must not allow to keep from dishonoring the family. # 1 Do not let the young man kiss you. #2 Do not let the young man grope your breasts. #3 Above all, do not allow the young man to put you on your back, “do things” and dishonor the extended family for decades to come. The young lady promised to abide by those rule. The next day, the grandmother, wondering about her granddaughter’s oddly chipper behavior, asked how the date went. The granddaughter smiled and said, “Grandma, you will be soooo proud of me! Everything happened exactly as you predicted. He tried to kiss me, but I wouldn’t let him. He tried to grope me, but I slapped his hands. When he tried to put me on my back, I really got mad. So, I flipped him over on His back, and I dishonored HIS entire family so ferociously, they’ll have to move to an island in the middle of some ocean where nobody knows them.”
19. This is why...
(07.03.08)
This is why my daughters never served in the army only national service.
20. #1 off the meds again?
robert goldman ,   Kfar Saba Israel   (07.03.08)
21. #19 make sure they dont work in an office to
Simon ,   TA Israel   (07.03.08)
Gee i guess you had better make sure your daughters dont work in an office where they could come in to contact with those men creatures, i didnt know all men are potential rapists? Ahhh so this is why your daughters didn't serve in the army? Good job all parents don't think like you as we wouldn't have a country.
22. On a serious note...
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (07.03.08)
Although back then I didn’t know why that worked as well as it did, but my mother taught me at a very young age that a well-placed foot or knee would instantly reverse the direction of hands that were getting too close to off-limits areas of my body. Being the only "outdoorsy" girl in a neighborhood of mostly boys, the practice became habit and my aim got fairly good. Many years later and 4 months pregnant, this gut reaction saved me from something I prefer to not think about and landed a GI in the brig, who had no business in our house, while my husband was on base. Some self-defense training never hurts any girl/woman, either.
23. One case out of thousands
Jewish feminist   (07.03.08)
What about the rest?At least 25% of women in the army suffer this sort of garbage.
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