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Na'alin residents: IDF curfew made us stronger
Ali Waked
Published: 08.07.08, 18:00
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1. Of course
Ahmad ,   Nalin- Falsteen   (07.08.08)
We are stronger than before. I talked with one of those officers while making our way to the construction area. He told me that he is originally from Manhattan, New York ! That's the real difference, the soldiers do not feel the taste of the soil the way that we do. Some 25 olive trees in our historical forest were entirely burned in order to continue this wall. Walls and bullets may not bring security to Israel, rather TRUE peace will do. This is our land and we are willing to die in order to protect it.
2. Against the wall.
Yaser ,   Bilin & Nilin   (07.08.08)
If the Israelis build the wall on the borders of 1967, I will go and volunteer with them. Most of the Palestinian people believe in real peace. However, the Israeli government is keeping the propaganda and stereotyping that we are extremest, terrorists, and all of us are Hamas supporters. We understand these games and want the world to know that we are seeking real peace, however, not on the Israeli way!
3. #2-you are in fantasy land
Arie ,   BaGolan   (07.08.08)
most palis believe Israel should be destroyed. Even if the border fence is built around Tel Aviv, you would riot and condemn us for building it and keeping your terrorists from attacking. The complaints about the fence do not revolve about where they are built but rather about the fact that they are being built at all!
4. strong fences make good neighbours
Arie ,   BaGolan   (07.08.08)
the palis can decide: constant rioting and terorism or coexistence, harmony, and better conditions. They won't have it both ways!
5. Arie, you will leave Golan after one year or so!!
Ali ,   Ramallah - Falsteen   (07.08.08)
Thus I encourage you to start searching an apartment in Tel Aviv. Your weak government is returning the Golan to Syria, wake up man!!!
6. Arie, you are in occupied land, get out of Golan!
Yaser ,   Bilin & Nilin   (07.08.08)
7. We taste our land. one immigrant is not everyone
Jo ,   Jerusalem   (07.08.08)
Our roots are very deep. Jerusalem is in our blood, it's name's and places sacred in our history books. You err my friend. Before the word Palestine ( in history it is spelt with a P) the area you live in was called Judea by the Romans. and Jews lived in Judea. Our blood and soul is this land. ask one immigrant and you think you know. All our stories, are of places here, we walk to them and touch our ancestors, stories taking place more than two thousands of years ago live. We are not newcomers here, the stones speak of us, the dirt too. You are wrong. Dig deeper my friend, perhaps one day we shall have peace but if a people dismiss it's history , it has nothing. We despite all odds and persecution cling to ours. History and the land is everything.
8. I saw the pictures - young men with stones in slingshots
Dona ,   UK   (07.08.08)
And they were trying to relocate the olive trees. I understand peaceful demonstrations but throwing stones is dangerous and can be lethal. Peaceful would be standing by the wall with huge signs shouting. The israelis believe in peace too I am sure, I read the news enough. Both sides do not trust each other - understandable, suicide bombings, quoted hate filled ant Jew sermons, etc, Walls, checkpoints, etc etc. I do not see a solution. It is after all a tiny country. Can they be tolerant and respect each other and can each be secure and be able to trust each other. No hope ever. Hopefully I am wrong. Everyone is getting fed up and we blame both, not one or the other. hamas ideology does not help ( we have the same talk in the UK) tolerance and freedom of religion, well. I could go on but trying to understand the MEast is a long long process that needs some digging, and i am digging deep ( going back pre 1800 is interesting.
9. History
Lou ,   Deal, USA   (07.08.08)
The Palestinians need a lesson in History. The Jewish people have been in and connected to the Holy Land for thousands of years, even thousands of years before the concept of Palestinians. Ok, so the Palestinians came about less than one hundred years ago. The Palestinians that fled after 1948 left what they consider to be their land. Does that no longer make them Palestinian? A Jew from Manhattan who moves “back” to Israel is an Israeli as much as a Palestinian that lives in Patterson, NJ is a Palestinian. Until everyone understands that there could be peace, and should be peace, both sides are stubborn and it will just lead to more and more death. Fortunately, the IDF is strong. Our will is strong. Unfamiliar with the democratic values that Israel possesses, the Palestinians view democracy as a weakness. In reality, democracy is a true strength. Am Israeli Chai….
10. #2. When did the PA recognize the Green Line as a border?
Jake   (07.08.08)
Pray, tell me. Answer: never. The Green Line has never been recognized as an international border, due to Arab opposition. Otherwise it would have been called the Blue Line. Oh and by the way, the Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades are affiliated with Fatah and active in the West Bank, and I would say they are even worse than Hamas.
11. #5, You are right. the Israeli government is weak
Jake   (07.08.08)
So weak in fact, that they will not be able to cede Golan away from Israel against the overwhelming opposition of the Israelis.
12. #1, R.E. the soldier from Manhattan
Jake   (07.08.08)
"That's the real difference, the soldiers do not feel the taste of the soil the way that we do." Oh, but you have no idea! Do you believe this soldier came from Manhattan to Israel for a better life, more money, and more opportunites? He came because he was returning to the Jewish homeland, even if it means a poorer quality of life. Israel is the Jewish national and spiritual homeland, and nothing you can say or do can change the facts.
13. To #8, Dona in the UK
Jacob B.   (07.08.08)
"Everyone is getting fed up and we blame both, not one or the other. " With all due respect, I lived in the UK for many years where I pursued my studies. I did not get the impression that both sides were blamed equally. The Guardian paints an almost caricaturized version of Israel as the archetypical bad guy, as does the Independent. BBC does the same, though a little more diplomatically. The Sunday Times always has some "big scoop" about Israel that is nothing more than an unverifiable conspiracy theory. Unfortunately, people like Ken Livingstone and George Galloway are given more credibility than they deserve. Tony Blair, on the other hand, was more evenhanded, but was continually hounded and villified as "Bush's poodle". As a place to live in, I will always associate Britain with fairness and decency, but I do believe they have a rather warped view of the outside world, especially when it comes to the Middle East.
14. the wall makes it harder to steal cars!!!
(07.08.08)
think the whole problem is not being easy stealing cars anymore! so your worried for your buisness!
15. Why don't you just take Israeli citizenship and then...
A ,   Jerusalem   (07.08.08)
...you'll have the opportunity to kill us with a bulldozer like your buddy did last week? What difference does it make to you where we put a wall? Either way, wherever the wall is, you'll preoccupy yourselves with our deaths instead of your lives. Palestine is in Jordan. Eretz Yisrael for Am Yisrael. Nekuda.
16. How it looks from here
Shai ,   Chashmonaim   (07.09.08)
The fence spoken of in this article is designed to protect our village, which is on land purchased from a landowner in Naalin who was promptly assassinated for his "perfidy" by the PLO's enforcers in Ramallah about 20 years ago. The protestors are protesting the earthwork needed to level the ground under the fence, and from my house I can easily see them and the army facing off. There was a court case brought by the organization that sends the protestors to move the fence from over the crest of Naalin (so that nobody from there could get a clear shot at us) to 1/3 from the top of the crest facing us, about 500 m from our houses. Now, usually our relations with Naalin are cordial. We both mind our own business, and a lot of Arabs from Naalin work in our village, too, as they do from Media and Budris. If I went there, I was told by these Arabs I'd be assaulted by the Hamas nationalists amongst them, so I don't go there. But most of the protesters come from elsewhere - they are foreigners and Hamas nationalists from Palestinian cities who've come to express their views "peacefully". For example, in addition to "no no to the fence", they yell "allahu achbar" as they sling rocks at us. They hit my neighbor's house, and a few cars on a nearby road before the army was able to come and clear them away. In addition, they yell, as they make noise, "a sh*tty" shabbat to you", over and over, picking on purpose Friday and Saturday for doing so. Really, quite a tolerant bunch these followers of the religion of peace - making their point this way. And, they called us donkeys sons of donkeys, and the list goes on. But the point I'm making with this is that the fence is designed not to keep us from the mostly peaceful residents of Naalin, but in recognition that those residents are so docile in the face of the threats against us by fundamentalists amongst them, that they will never do anything to stop the rabble rousers from harming those of us who live on the hill next to them. While they might express disapproval and insist they are peaceful, they are completely passive not just in the face of the abuse of these Islamic nationalists and foreign policy hobbyists from Denmark, they're surely going to be silent in the face of a Hamas sniper picking off our children. Hence, the fence. In my view it should have even been closer to them, and should have put more of their property on "our" side so as to ensure our safety better. But the court decided this is the way it should be, the same court that decided in many other instances in favor of those who felt the fence was confiscatory. It's time for them to accept the judgment peacefully and move on. Won't happen though - they're not interested in peace, they're interested in retaining the right to attack Israel (they call it "resistance").
17. To Yaser #2. Are OCCUPIERS Of.
Maansingh ,   The Netherlands   (07.09.08)
You say :”.. we (i.e. West Bank Arabs) are extremists, terrorists, ..”. Yaser, whether you are terrorists -- that will be decided by the OUTSIDE world, that is NOT done by you. ON A DIFFERENT NOTE : You guys, i.e. the Arabs, are OCCUPIERS of Judea and Samaria, nowadays known as the West Bank !!! SO, Yaser, because you guys ARE occupiers -- you guys are ILLEGALLY residing in Judea and Samaria, nowadays known as the West Bank !!! Dear Yaser, you want to live peacefully in Judea and Samaria -- you can stay in Judea and Samaria. IF NOT -- please VACATE Judea and Samaria. WHY ? Because you guys, i.e. the Arabs, are OCCUPIERS of Judea and Samaria !!!
18. 1 - The guy left Manhattan to go live on HIS land
Ben ,   London, UK   (07.09.08)
The guy I am sure left a really great life in Manhattan (better than you would ever understand). Yet he probably listen to his soul and felt like he wanted to go back to his roots and land. And yes, like many Israelis he is apparently ready to die for his homeland (yet, not like a suicide murderer). Don't mention true peace while Palestinians are only willing to offer destruction to Israel.
19. Arie - You will leave under a dictatorship
Ben ,   London, UK   (07.09.08)
You can joke about the Golan but the day Palestine will be a sovereign, nation you will leave under some hardcore dictatorship and will find yourself into the paradox of missing the Israeli occupation. Wonder? Ask the Gazans about the Palestinian way of life.
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