The recent and continuing case of our ex president katsav clearly sends out a message to any women that has been molested or raped , "don't bother" because the defendant will hire some fancy lawyer, drag you name thorough the mud and make our your a prostitute and turn your life into a living hell. Justice ? not in Israel so it would seem.

Katsav once said "If I can be President anyone can be president" that was when he was elected, when he resigned he left the message "If I can rape anyone can rape"

For a state born in the rape and pillage and ethnic cleansing of Palestine, is it surprising that it is racked with domestic violence. A state that deemed the Palestinians non-people and de-humanised them, that unleashed generations of war criminals on them. Is it a surprise that a state that integrates these killers and abusers into its society should then suffer extreme domestic violence ? NO ! Its no surprise. Israel has sown the seeds of its own self-destruction by its inhuman behaviour since its inception.

unless you have any genuine interest in the subject instead of ranting so ignorantly. Ethnic cleansing is not something that Israel has ever taken part in and never will. Get a grip of yourself and get an education.

So Rachel your in a better place to comment are you ? Nameless No 5. dont try to deny what happened in the past. I have a genuine interest in this subject or I would not be posting my opinion, idiot. by the way ive had a first class education, ( a degree in early Modern History) Read the book by Ilan Pappe (an Israeli) The ethnic cleansing of Palestine. maybe when confronted by the evidence you will change your opinion, but somehow I think not. Just wallow in your ignorance, ok !

in early modern history doesn't necessarily qualify you to speak on this subject since you obviously didn't cover it, either then or later. I will happily wallow in my ignorance on this particular subject. I know the truth not the myths you and many like you have bought into. As for Ilan Pappe, I can't think of a worse example for you to read or quote from. This is a man who has manipulated evidence to fit his theory. His writings are seriously flawed, littered with errors and that's a fact, not my opinion.

read "From Time Immemorial"by Joan Peters for starts ....then watch the real news .start with this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJl3Y4tIrro&feature=related ..(not the very bias BBC or george galloway ) and by the way ....who care if someone is Israeli or not ....Its like saying one of my best friend is black ....The truth is what counts ....

This is a terriable thing and it is going on all over the world. Some places worst than others. Thialand, Africa and the US. and So. America. Where ever there be evil you will find this. If the punishment would fit this crime maybe we can control it better.

An evidence of what happens when today's nation and their forefathers forgot and didn't obey the highest moral laws of God!

Resorting to lies about Pappes book is not the truth but merely your warped opinion that suits your warped view of reality. Rachel, Peters book has been shown to be a fiction while Pappes has been praised for its scholarship. his sources, the misnamed idfs archives. But we digress from the most important point and that is, that the sickness at the heart of israeli society, its inherent disfunctionality, is a direct result of the ethnic cleansing and dispossesion and brutal oppression of a wholly innocent people that continues to this day. You deny that - you deny reality. I pity you both.

Did you know that the nation state is an ancient Israelite and modern European notion - not an Arab notion? Did you know that "Arab" architecture comes from Greeks, Romans and Persians? Did you know that the "Arab" numerals or actually Indian? Did you know that despite 1400 years of "Arab" existence, the period when Arabs ruled Arabs through Arabs in the Middle East lasted less than a century - only decades? Did you know that most Arabs of "Palestine"/Israel have lived here for maximum 60-150 years and came here as a result of Jewish immigration and return to the land that built indiustries, cities and agriculture. Did you know that culturally and historically nothing sets "Palestinians" apart from other Arabs?Did you know that no "Palestine" or "Palestinian" people has ever existed in recorded human history neither inside nor outside of Israel? The people you see on newspapers and TV exist, but they are Arabs, foreigners, invaders and occupiers of our Jewish land. Did you know that all the Arab states are European notions - French and English notions - inclusing the names of the republics? Did you know that those "Arab" republic came into existence for the first tie in human history in the early and mid 20th century, whereas Jews have lived non stop in Israel for 4000 years and had ancient kingdoms? Did you know that the Arabs of the British Mandate of Palestine between 1917 and 1948 refused to call themselves "Palestinians" because "there is no Palestine in the Bible or the Koran" and that they considered themselvs to be a part of the Syrian-Arab geopolitical zone? Did you know that the "Arab" notion of "Al Nakhba" meaning the "catastrophe" was originally coined in the 1920s by a Christian Arab who was furious at the British and French decision to separate the newly immigrated Arab population of "Palestine" /Israel from their Arab brothers in Syria? Al Nakhba todays supposes a distinction between "Palestinians" and other Arabs when ironically and in reality they consider themselves to be part of the Arab nation and adhered to Syria? Did you know that tiny Israel covers 0,1% of the Middle East - smaller than Denmark whereas 22 Arab states cover 99,9% of the Middle East, bigger than United States of America? And did you know that the British originally promised transjordan to be a part of the reeestablished state of Israel but left the Jews Cis-Jordan - the same piece of real estate that the "Arabs" are arguing over that covers only 20% of the original British Mandate of Palestine that covered both Israel, Judea, Samaria, Gaza and "Jordan"? Did you know that? Did you know that the criminality rate in Israel is considerably lower than in USA and Europe and that despite left wing Israeli newspapers' inclination towards sensationalism, physical abuse and violence is quite unusual here in Israel in comparison to America and Europe? Did you know that? Did you know that you can open ANY European newspaper today and read about bank robberies, crimes, violence, rapes, hate crimes in British, French, German, Swedish and other newspapers of the supposedly "civilized" European nations? Did you know that the Arab population of Judea and Samaria rejected land for peace 8 times, multiplied in numbers 10 times since Israeli administration since 1967 to the early 1990s, received by from Israel food, clothes, water, electricity, modern housing, cars, roads, modern infrastructure, schools, hosptials, universities, democratic rights, right to appeal to the Supreme Court in Jerusalem, the right to spew hate against Israel and even weapons? Did you know that 70% of the "Palestinians" might considering leaving Judea and Samaria given financial compensation and going to Europe or America instead? Did you know that? Did you know that Muslims and Arabs hate Israel because of anti-Semitism and that they see Israel as an extension of democracy, freedom and thee western world? Did you know that?

What has despicable and disgusting everyday criminality got to do with the Arab-Israeli conflict? Those crimes exist in Ireland, UK, Germany, France, Holland, Sweden, Poland, Russia, China and USA as well. Are filthy anti-Semites like yourself obsessed with hating Israel so much that you will use ANY pretext and any situation to hate us, even if your words are based on lies, deception, retwriting of history, false accusations and double standards?

Did you know that the word "Palestine" is a Roman/Latin name coined by Roman Emperor Hadrian to spite the Jews and that the name of "Palestine" is derivved from the Greek Indo-European Philisteenes, pirates and city raiders that engaged in war with ancient Israel and Egypt about 1000 BCE. The Arab civilization came into being in the 600s AD and Jews have lived on the Arabian peninsula longer than Arabs and Jews have lived in Israel since 2000 BCE. Take a look in H.H Sasson's book "A History of the Jewish People" and Solomon Grayzel's "A History of the Jews", the "History of the world" by J.M. Roberts and "The Mediterranean in ancient times" by Fernand Braudel. They all mention biblical and ancient Israel - but no "Palestinians" and no Arabs. Did you know that the original Arabian warriors that conquered Middle East found themselves in minoroty among non Arabs and today's "Arabs" are actually deluted and consist of a non Arab majority? Did you know that? Did youm know that today's Arabs aren't actually Arabs but rather Turks, Kurds, Iranians, Berbers, Africans, Asians, Mongols and South Europeans, holding the cultural heritage of Greeks/the Hellenistic world/Persians/Aramaic culture in the Arab tongue? Did you know that? Nationalism is not an Arab notion and Arabs never had a state, kingdom or republic in ancient or modern Israel. If there are no Arabs today, how can there be any "Arab" "Palestinians"? Why is it that no ancient Israelite/Hebrew/Jewish, Egyptian, Assyrian, Babylonian, Persian, Phoenician, Greek and Roman sources ever mention "Palestine" or "Palestinians" and why is there no archaeological evidence for the "existence" of "ancient" "Palestinians"? And what about the ethnic cleansing of 850000 Jews in the Arab world in the 1940s and 1950s? Do you care about them? They were loyal, unarmed and harmless - yet kicked out. The Arabs of Israel 1948 were aggressive, disloyal, openly expressed sympathy with Israel's enemies wanting Israel's destruction and openly used violence against Israel. Israel had every right to kick them out and for your information, the Arabs of Judea and Samaria have multiplied by 10 times, meaning 1000% and between 1967 and the early 1990s before Arafat flushed the Arab economy in the toilet, this Arab economy ws the fastest growing in the Arab world with a standard of living considerably higher than most of the Arab world, Africa, Latin America and Asia and their infant mortality was dramatically lowered and literacy rate dramatically increased. Facts are facts no matter who utters them. There are many European self haters like Ilan Pappe that can express lies and hatred to their own nations but being a part of your nation doesn't mean you are speaking the truth or have the facts straight. Israeli self destruction? You mean 1,5% annual growth in the Jewish population, nukes, strong economy, 2nd high tech center of the world and a standard of living and quality of life comparable to France, Italy, Spain and UK, low criminality rate, 3rd highest national percentage of people with university degrees, 4th largest exporter of weapons, one of the three oldest living civilizations on this world high tech covering 75% of the Israeli GDP is "self destruction"? LOL!!!!!!!!

Did you know that the word "Palestine" is a Roman/Latin name coined by Roman Emperor Hadrian to spite the Jews and that the name of "Palestine" is derivved from the Greek Indo-European Philisteenes, pirates and city raiders that engaged in war with ancient Israel and Egypt about 1000 BCE. The Arab civilization came into being in the 600s AD and Jews have lived on the Arabian peninsula longer than Arabs and Jews have lived in Israel since 2000 BCE. Take a look in H.H Sasson's book "A History of the Jewish People" and Solomon Grayzel's "A History of the Jews", the "History of the world" by J.M. Roberts and "The Mediterranean in ancient times" by Fernand Braudel. They all mention biblical and ancient Israel - but no "Palestinians" and no Arabs. Did you know that the original Arabian warriors that conquered Middle East found themselves in minoroty among non Arabs and today's "Arabs" are actually deluted and consist of a non Arab majority? Did you know that? Did youm know that today's Arabs aren't actually Arabs but rather Turks, Kurds, Iranians, Berbers, Africans, Asians, Mongols and South Europeans, holding the cultural heritage of Greeks/the Hellenistic world/Persians/Aramaic culture in the Arab tongue? Did you know that? Nationalism is not an Arab notion and Arabs never had a state, kingdom or republic in ancient or modern Israel. If there are no Arabs today, how can there be any "Arab" "Palestinians"? Why is it that no ancient Israelite/Hebrew/Jewish, Egyptian, Assyrian, Babylonian, Persian, Phoenician, Greek and Roman sources ever mention "Palestine" or "Palestinians" and why is there no archaeological evidence for the "existence" of "ancient" "Palestinians"? And what about the ethnic cleansing of 850000 Jews in the Arab world in the 1940s and 1950s? Do you care about them? They were loyal, unarmed and harmless - yet kicked out. The Arabs of Israel 1948 were aggressive, disloyal, openly expressed sympathy with Israel's enemies wanting Israel's destruction and openly used violence against Israel. Israel had every right to kick them out and for your information, the Arabs of Judea and Samaria have multiplied by 10 times, meaning 1000% and between 1967 and the early 1990s before Arafat flushed the Arab economy in the toilet, this Arab economy ws the fastest growing in the Arab world with a standard of living considerably higher than most of the Arab world, Africa, Latin America and Asia and their infant mortality was dramatically lowered and literacy rate dramatically increased. Facts are facts no matter who utters them. There are many European self haters like Ilan Pappe that can express lies and hatred to their own nations but being a part of your nation doesn't mean you are speaking the truth or have the facts straight. Israeli self destruction? You mean 1,5% annual growth in the Jewish population, nukes, strong economy, 2nd high tech center of the world and a standard of living and quality of life comparable to France, Italy, Spain and UK, low criminality rate, 3rd highest national percentage of people with university degrees, 4th largest exporter of weapons, one of the three oldest living civilizations on this world high tech covering 75% of the Israeli GDP is "self destruction"? LOL!!!!!!!!

...one thing.That European jews were given Palestine by the British, (not your God ), and that they drove out the indigineous people and stole their land and homes. I ask you this, What kind of people lives in anothers house as if it is their own You boast of Israli "achievements", "nukes, exporter of weapons, wonderfull; that will make the world a better place ! The 60 or so years of Israel has been a blight on the middle east. You people could not make it on your own without the yanks and they are fucked, over - reach like yourselves. By the way I dont have a thing about Jews. I know nothing of religion, im an athiestistic humanist who believes that you should treat people the way you would want to be treated youself. Dont kill the "others" children just because you can. Slan !

I dont know if civilization came to Derry after the Irish peacemaking efforts bore fruit, but Sean has clearly been poisoned by an overdose of Arab propaganda lies over there. It is well known that the IRA collaborated with the Fatah terrorists during the "troubles". All the acknowledged historical narrative that Alexander of Herzliya has taken the trouble to offer you is probably unacceptable to a brainwashed person. Sticking by Ilan Pappe's distorted version of modern history is not going to clear your mind. Haifa Uni were thrilled when he left them to spread his distortions in England. His academic work was disqualified because of fabrications. Not a respectable academic to quote!!!

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think for yourself .....snap out of it .....who ever is doing this to you ...has control over your mental state ......

Well, your response shows clearly that you are not interested in facts and history, you are ideologically motivated to hate Jews. Arabs are not the indigenous population of Israel - they have lived here for 60-150 years and Jerusalem had a Jewish majority as recently as 1844. Both American and European visitors could acknowledge how empty the land of Israel was, desolate and unlovely, consisting of swamps, deserts and a few small villages. You could go straight through the country for days withoot seeing anyone. The British didn't give us Jews anything - we fough for our land. The promised to give us all of the Mandate of "Palestine" and yet, they gave 78% to the Arabs, which became Transjordan and the rest is Israel including Judea, Samaria and Gaza. Explain o me who or what is a "Palstinian" and when did "Palestine" or "Palestinians" exist in recorded human history, why do 70% want to leave in exchange for money and why did they reject land for peace 8 times and if they are the "indigenous" population, why is it that you can stumble over evidece in Israel of ancient/biblical Israelite/Hebrew/Jewish ruins? We Jews are the indigenous population of Israel but we were thrown out by the Romans and lost our land 2000 years ago, in case you missed that important bit of history. The house is ours - you are trying to legitimize Arab theft on our house by rewriting 4000 years of Jewish history. Yes, Israel has achieved much. Tel Aviv is the city of the world that has the highest percentage of people with university degrees. Israel has the highest concentration of scientists and engineers per capita in the world. And much of the computer technology that many people use today, is actually and partially Israeli. And Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. Tell me something, if "Palestine" is connected to Arabs, why is it that the letter "p" doesn't exist in Arabic and why is "Palestine" a Roman/Latin name and why did the Arabs refuse to call themselves "Palestinians" suring the British Mandate of "Palestine" between 1917 and 1948 and why didn't the Arabs call themselves "Palestinians" until the 1960s or 1970s? You don't believe in God? So? I don't believe in God either. What has God to do with it? We Jews have historical rights to Israel. If the Bible is irrelevant, it should come to your notice that the Koran is also a book of faith, and the Koran mentions, strangely enough, the Jewish people and its history in Israel and states explicitly that Israel belongs to the Jews.

You are being made to look like a fool. As far as your education goes, you have only proven to that you are up to date with the propaganda, not the truth. Israel was always called Judeah....there is no Palastinain people! How do you explain the PA Charter that clearly calls for Israels destruction?

In Israel these days all we care about is ourselves, everybody else can go to blazes. Just look at Sderot's residents under fire, no one in Jerusalem or Tel Aviv cares at all about them.

I can't imagine this to be true within Am Yisrael.

Before & after 1948, 22 Arab states passed discriminatory laws and forced 900,000 Jews to leave lands they had lived in, many for over 2,000 years, with nothing but one suitcase and $50 per person. When you talk about "ethnic cleansing", learn about the Jewish refugees from Arab lands, too. If you really ARE a "humanist", this will open your eyes. Start with: http://www.jimena.org

As usual, a topic, and a very important one, has been manipulated by some bored anti-Israel pro-poor abused and homeless Palestinians person, to the subject of politics. Is it possible to just ignore these people who post here just to get a rise out of Israelis, and please stick to the subject? I think we should all be very concerned, women and men alike. Sometimes it's easier to ignore this horrible problem and just shift over to a more popular topic like politics. Running away or ignoring it is not going to help. As for Sean the Irishman, well, let's just say that his people have never been great Jew lovers, and in fact have bred quite a few notorious anti-Semites, although, unlike Sean, I refuse to generalize and know that there are many nice Irish folk, and have nothing against the Irish as a nation. His argument is also nothing new or original. I think it best to ignore him or simply take the debate elsewhere.

Your so called historical facts don't change the subject of the debased Israeli social culture... Stick to the subject and don't try and impress us with your reams nonsense.. All your statistics on how wonderful you all are doesn't make you any less guilty of some very serious character flaws. Methinks your defensive posture of ofbuscation is more than telling. then you realize...

Well that is very magnanimous of you Faith..but it doesn't float..anyone who tells the truth about Israel or Israel's has to be an antisemite..that's already a 'given' and goes with the territory... Sean is right on...and it's you Israeli's who cannot or will not accept reality and the facts... It's obvious that you prefer you're versions of historical facts..I would too, if it alleviated me from any guilt and responsibility for mine and my people's actions.. Israel is illegal and has no right to exist...as Sean said..it ws a bargain made with the devil and your culture is sowing it's rewards..

Yes those figures are very high..and you should take them seriously ..not only are they a reflection of your society and culture..but you inflict it on the rest of the world also..with your flooding the world with Porn... When you brutalize your own as has been stated..you automatically brutalize others, that's a given as it;s been shown in spades in your dealings with Palestinians... Stealing their homes and raping their lands is not so different than what you've been do to eachother..

You say :" Israel .. has no right to exist ". THAT means you want to see Israel destroyed. BY this you are revealing that you will be a future terrorist. SO, the American Government should keep a vigilant eye on you.