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Fight for agunot isn't over
Rivkah Lubitch
Published: 30.07.08, 14:17
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1. Not enough
Arielush ,   Ramt Ha Golan   (07.27.08)
Is 550,000 shekels enough for 9 years of waiting and suffering. To me it seems rather stingy. It's less than 5,000 shekels a month. Imagine this, the women was thirty at the beginning of this process. Those years prevented her from having another child or remarrying. During those years she also had to support a family singlehandedly. Sadly enough probably her lawyer will benefit the most financially from this ruling.
2. A fair amount is 250.000 (USD)-
YITZAK BEN SHLOMO   (07.27.08)
Lawyers bill must be taxed - child support they forgot . Stupid Judge !
3. But how to quantify EMOTIONAL ABUSE ?
YITZAK BEN SHLOMO   (07.27.08)
4. 1. Arielush: You forget that before Moses there was no...
Rivkah   (07.27.08)
divorce. Abraham and Sarah had no children until their old age. Hagar had a child by Abraham, Ishmael, and waited many years for Sarah to die, to marry Abraham. Yes, Jewish scholars believe Keturah, Abraham's second wife, was Hagar. But you think a man who wants the higher road of one man/one wife/for life and holds onto that higher calling by refusing a get for a wife who wants to run off so she can be happy on this earth, is wrong. People are called to be FAITHFUL, not to be happy. If happiness comes, that is great. But happiness is heaven is the goal and that is found be taking the higher road. Maybe Jewish women should be circumcised like the Muslims so they won't be as vulnerable to adultery and/or fantasies of being with another man. Solomon said only one man in a thousand is worthy of the name, MAN. HOW is a divorced woman with children going to get a one in a thousand man? No. She will get another male who is not worthy of the name, Man. So why not just remain separated or reconcile with the husband of one's youth?
5. Rivka Don't look Back
Arielush ,   Ramat Ha Golan   (07.27.08)
First of all we are Jewish. Judaism does not postpone happiness till heaven. Secondly do we really want to go back. In the days of Moses? In biblical times there was polygamy and adulterers were stoned, thieves had their hands cut off. We are living in the 20th century. There is no reason for a woman to endure an abusive marriage. As for circumcising women, the operation is banned in all civilized cultures. What does this say about you?
6. Rivka, what have you been smoking?
A normal woman   (07.27.08)
I wonder if you are really a man using a female pen-name? I have decided to stop reading your talkbacks from now on. They never contribute any sensible ideas, just spout confused pseudo-religiosity!
7. 6: Thank you. I would appreciate your skipping my tb's which
Rivkah   (07.27.08)
are for people who know the Lord, not for women's libbers who hate their husbands and marriage and fail to see God's plan. Do you think Rebecca in the Bible (wife of Isaac you are unfamiliar with) was HAPPY? She was MISERABLE because Esau's two unbelieving wives made her life hell. Did Rebecca LEAVE Isaac because she was unhappy? NOOOOOOOOOOOO.
8. the ruling is nothing more, nothing less than Islamic Sharia
observer   (07.27.08)
9. To Rivka
Df ,   Beer Sheva, Israel   (07.27.08)
No woman should be made to edure abuse, whether physical or mental. Your attitude is one of ownership of the woman by the male - the man she marries. In effect slavery. Either she does what the man/husband wants or she is condemned to be alone for the rest of her life. I suggest you try it and see if the shoe fits.
10. nothing more, nothing less than Islamic Shariah
observer   (07.27.08)
11. 9 Df: Haven't you heard of LEGAL SEPARATIONS with
Rivkah   (07.28.08)
the wife getting court ordered support payments? That is not a divorce and the wife is not expected to live with the abusive husband. The Prophet Malachi said God hates divorce, but he did not say God hates legal separations. Why does God hate divorce? God wants righteous children. Divorce is so catastrophic for children, they often go wild and do bad things, thinking the divorce was their fault. That is a more important perspective than the need of the mothers and fathers for another spouse to satisfy their lust. A lot of stepfathers rape their stepchildren or didn't you know that? Remarriage is a risk and the children are often damaged. God wants righteous children and that often means no divorce although legal separation is needed in some cases, maybe many cases since King Solomon said only one man in a thousand is worthy of the name, MAN.
12. Rivka, why don't you read the case
Isaac ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (07.28.08)
You should read the judge's opinion (and he quotes the Beit Din HaGadol, which also found the husband to be at fault and ordered a get.) The (haredi) wife sought a divorce in the first place in large part because her husband was compelling her to engage in halachically forbidden sexual acts. She wasn't looking for a 1/1000 man -- she was just looking for someone with whom to raise a family with yirat shama'im. And I doubt that hacking off her clitoris and sewing shut her vagina would solve her problem (which was not adultery or fantasy, but rather violent, illegal, and unwelcome sexual acts). Don't you think it would be better for the faithful (to God) women of the world to be able to divorce sleazeball husbands, marry god-fearing men, and raise children in a healthy, observant household?
13. Oblige the Rabinic Court
Ariel ,   São paulo Brazil   (07.28.08)
If they oblige the Rabinic Court to pay the fine, for sure all procedures would be accelerated
14. No hope
Ken Besig ,   Israel   (07.28.08)
There is obviously no hope of reforming the hareidi dominated Beit Din system in Israel. They will abuse divorcees, converts, and Israeli society without mercy, and the only answer is to do away with this corrupt and destructive legal system immediately.
15. Recalcitrant spouses are selfish, abusive
Sue ,   Los Angeles   (07.30.08)
I know two agunot and also a man whose wife refused to accept a Get (he suffered for years). In all three cases, the spouses refused the divorce to be vengeful. I am glad to read about the court award. Maybe it will prevent other lives from being ruined.
16. HIGHLIGHTS THE ILL TREATMENT OF WOMEN.
PETRA ,   USA   (07.31.08)
FINALLY, THE COURT GAVE HER A 'GET'. WHY ARE WOMEN TREATED SO BADLY IN ISRAEL? CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHY? IT TRULY HURTS ME TO THE CORE, BEING A WOMAN. IF I WERE SEARCHING FOR A RELIGION, I'D HESITATE W/ THE WAY ISRAEL TREATS HER WOMEN. IT'S LIKE READING A NOVEL FROM 400 YEARS AGO! WOMEN BIRTH YOUR CHILDREN, CARE FOR YOU, ARE YOUR PARTNERS, NOT YOUR ENEMEIS. THIS IS ONE BONE OF CONTENTION AMONG WOMEN AND RABBIS. IT MAKES ISRAEL LOOK BAD, VERY BAD INDEED. TREAT WOMEN FAIRLY, EQUALLY TO MEN. IF NOT, JUDAISM IS IN JEPOPARDY FROM THE INSIDE OUT. TOTAL DISREGARD FOR THE WOMEN OR, THE CHILDREN. THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!!!
17. # 13 ARIEL SAME W/ THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
PETRA ,   USA   (07.31.08)
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ MAKES THE WORLD GO AROUND. RELIGION IS A BUSINESS AND HAS NO 'EQUAL RIGHTS' FOR WOMEN. I AM A BORN A JEW FROM MY MOTHER AND STILL CAN'T STOMACH THE WAY THE RABBINATE AND THE COURTS HAVE TREATED JEWISH WOMEN AND THEIR KIDS. WHERE'S THE JUSTICE FOR ALL?
18. # 12 ISAAC FOR PM :)
PETRA ,   USA   (07.31.08)
SMART MAN. NO FEMALE SHOULD HAVE HER PARTS REMOVED, PERIOD. RIVKAH, HOW COULD YOU?
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