or in other words, "hundreds or brain washed teens have lost the plot" How about encouraging them to serve in army and get a job?

Finally. It is interesting to note that it is an accepted 'article of faith' by Israel's leaders & the international community that the mosques sitting atop our Temple are legitimate. They are NOT! Both historically AND biblically this is an out and out fraud. Many Arab leaders have even said so in the past. The Arabs have ZERO claim over our holiest site.

Therefore, Zechariah is discussing the fast of the month of Av after the destruction of the First Temple and before the building of the Second. The First Temple was destroyed on the seventh of Av, as is written, "On the seventh day of the fifth month [Av] -- that was the nineteenth year of King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon -- Nebuzaradan, the chief of the guards, an officer of the king of Babylon, came to Jerusalem. He burned the House of the Lord, the king's palace, and all the houses of Jerusalem; he burned down the house of every notable person. The entire Chaldean force that was with the chief of the guard tore down the walls of Jerusalem on every side" (II Kings 25:8-10). [This is in contrast to what is written in the Mishnah, that the First Temple was destroyed on the ninth of Av (Taanit 4:6) or what Chazal said (Rosh Hashana 19b), who related Zechariah's verse to the ninth of Av. Thus did Ibn Ezra write (on Zechariah 7:3): "And Jerusalem was destroyed a second time in the days of Titus on the ninth of Av, and we mourn that second destruction." That is, we do not mourn for the First Temple, which was not destroyed on the ninth of Av.] But when there was a change in Israeli reality, from a state of exile to the return to Zion in the Second Temple period, Zechariah says that the fast of "the seventh of Av" will turn to rejoicing and happiness (Zechariah 8:19): "Thus said the Lord of the Hosts…the fast of the fifth month…shall become an occasion for joy and gladness, a happy festival for the House of Judah, but you must love honesty and integrity." And to draw an analogy from minor to major: If the return to Zion, which was a type of autonomy only, requiring the payment of taxes to a foreign government (Persia and Media), turned the mourning into happiness and joy, then how much more so should our return to the Land of Israel in our own days -- where we have absolute sovereignty without foreign sponsorship and we do not have to raise taxes for any other nation or state -- the ninth of Av should turn into a day of rejoicing and happiness.

Build it! Caution: There will be a false messiah that sit's in the temple, but the true Messiah will reign forever!

Of all the pathetic nonsense being brainwashed into the heads of gullible teens by cherry-picking rabbis... "build me a Temple and I shall dwell amongst you" - and how many other prehistoric commandments will now be dusted off - stoning for adultery, smashing Amalekite babies against walls (oops, that already happens but with rifle bullets), etc. The TB of #3 said "the Arabs have ZERO claim over our holiest site" - well firstly mixing up Moslems and Arabs would seem to be the first error in this statement, for even a sub-normal Israeli knows that there is a difference, and secondly, the fact that one of the holiest places of over a billion people is the subject of this destructive campaign would indicate that certain hot-heads, Islamophiles and out and out bigots, do not care what the reaction would be... so long as they can fulfill one biblical quote that has been in abeyance, or abrogated, for two thousand years. What, in essence, Ms Kutnicki is saying, along with those other poor brainwashed teenage peasants is that the rabbis who put this commandment "on hold" have been wrong. Oh, isn't it lovely to create a religion by numbers, like painting by numbers. Particularly when a bunch of no brainers choose to obsess about the one thing that will bring certain war, death,destruction and can cause a new world war.

You not only occupied our land, executed our freedom fighters, but also you carved up the middle east as your royalty and parlement saw fit. Its your fault the arabs think they have some sort of claim to our land. You promised us more then what we ahve today...then we se3ttled for what we hwere left with...they attakced we took more of our land....GFYS

England created the Crusades. England created the hundred years war and, together with the French and Germans, perpetuated war in every century of the last 2 millennium based on the "divine" right of English monarchs. England still has a monarch as the head of its government. Who are you to talk? Get rid of your "ancient" institutions that have perpetuated, and still perpetuate, inequality and bloodshed, and then come back to us.

That is why there is war. The Arabs/Muslims do exactly that. They obsess over land, most of it not belonging to them in the first place. Hold THEM accountable to the same standards as everyone else.

it is a political article more than religouse orfaith .i hope godlike to dwell in my house.i do care of faith more than policy ..let the teenegers know the god .be honest in any place with any suite

then i am for it! you cant agree with an immoral creation like the filthy simon. wish I didnt live so close........

Let me just quote from Tanchuma When Hashem showed the third temple to yecheskel to tell everything he saw to the jews yecheskel replied to Hashem the Jews are in exile can they build the temple ? wait untill they are redeemed from exile then I will tell them about the temple So Hashem asked Yecheskel so while my children are in exile should the building of my houce be voided and Hashem proceeds to tell yecheskel great is the learning about the building just as the building. The Lubavitcher Rebbe asked Klal Yisroel to learn Yecheskel Perek 40-43 the third temple and Mishnayos Middos and Rambam Hilchos Bais Habchira precisicely because Moshiach is about to come and we will have the third Temple so we will be able to see all that we learnt.

English Person is applying the implicit non-interference clause of modern Western liberalism. This is what one is taught in Anthropology 101 class; namely, that we cannot judge a foreign culture for what they do. For instance, if some isolated tribe in Africa or South America practices female genital mutilation, who are we to judge, with our Western attitudes? In Star Trek, this would be known as the Prime Directive, the idea that interference with foreign (usually derogatorily understood to mean "primitive") cultures contaminates them and generally results in Bad Things. In this instance, English Person holds Western Civilization to a higher standard than Moslem Civilization. In other words "hey, we can deal with the loss of the Temple, it's only monkey-superstition". But G-d forbid Muslims not get to keep Every Last Outpost from their forefathers' ancient conquests, never mind their forefathers were as expansionistic and empire-building as Christian Europe was not too many centuries ago. Al-Aqsa is meant to "protect" the Temple Mount? I don't think so.

Have you totally lost your marbles English Person if you call our teenagers brainwashed and gullible ? Your arrogance is so typically English that I wonder how on earth you do not claim back all those fine colonies you were kicked out of. First and foremost you should claim back America, Africa and India. How in God's name can you even start making assertions on the Palestinian-Israeli matters when we all are in clear about the "role" of the English in slicing up the Middle East and creating a huge mess and fake countries maybe for the sake of Lawrence of Arabia cult. Meantime your ex-leaders' romantic cult created devastation and disaster in the Middle East. Why aren't you happy for at least us the Israelis that we are able to manage our lives without your untimely "help"?

And how much would you obsess about your house in Boston if someone kicked you out of it and pushed you out of your country? Would you simply give up and say, shucks I'll buy another one? Tell us, what would you do if you had been forced to leave behind the house you bought, the furniture, the memories, the rugs, the baseball caps, the car? Would you turn around and say, shuck, it was never mine in the first place even though I paid for it with my hard earned money (trans into US English: dollars)?

Firstly, your ridiculous accusations "you not only occupied our land, executed out freedom fighters..." I don't think so - as I was not born at the time and my grandparents were still trying to get out of Bialystock. So 100% success rate to you in jumping to conclusions. You might note that I do not accuse your ancestors of slaughtering the native American Indians so you could live in your NYC condo - so let's leave aside utterly stupid historical accusations which are not based in fact or reality. As for "you promised us more than what we have today" ... another example of this pathetic method of arguing. You see the word "English" and then obfuscate by throwing up (yes, vomiting up) every single historical incident your non-existent brain cells can think of. How about addressing the question, mr Super Genius? Will those brain-washed teenagers care that they could unlease a new world war, or would you prefer to talk about the Roundheads and Puritans and things which happened before you or I were born and over which we have no control.

Read my reply to the boor who wrote comment number 7. Or to reiterate. I have nothing to do with the crusades. It is not my respnosibility that we have a monarchy and not a republican system. Do try and stick to the subject under discussion or go back and sit in the dunce's corner, there's a good moron.

Are you trying to tell us that Simon in TA doesn't wash? That's what I understand by your comment "the filthy simon". Or are you trying, in some mangled, garbled and barely literate way to imply that you are godlier than he? If you live too close to him, you coud always move 100 miles to the East.

but go ahead and build it. didn't work out so well for the jewish people last two times around. little obedience problem that hasn't gotten any better, if you know what i mean.

I don't really understand your subject, Mike. For which specific time in history was this written, and where is your source for that? I've never read that, so I'm interested to see it. Also, I don't know where you stand in your beliefs (even though it seems that you moved to Israel from the usa ... did you move for the better tax rates?), but the Talmud pretty clearly states why the first two temples were destroyed... but then I guess that ties into whether you believe everyone's actions have real spiritual & physical consequences in the world, or whether you believe everything is happenstance, and every human's heart pumps by itself by sheer randomness... sorry for the harshness (really), I just found your comment invalid.

It wouldn't take me 60 years to find myself a new home. I certainly wouldn't expect the people I waged war upon to have sympathy with my plight. In fact, if I knew the people who were living on my former block had bought land from my neighbors who in turn tried to steal it back through violence, I could understand why these people would never accept me as a neighbor. I certainly wouldn't be so naive as to expect them to just foreget the whole, "driving them into the sea" genocidal plan. In fact, with 40 years+ separating the time these people began building their communities and from the time I became a refugee, I would think the reason for my predictment lied with those who started the war. But that's just me.

the talmud says a lot of things, but the torah speaks pretty clearly on the subject. there are promises for obedience and bad things for disobedience (and israel today is, um, unbelievably disobedient, to say the least). besides, there was no shekinah in the last temple, so who would imagine that anything would be different in these times?

Best ye stick to tea and crumpets

You are not a Jew,and has lived in our land and dare to give us advices? Israel is not for christians.The only gentiles welcome by Jews are those who love and respect Jews and their G'od,and ,preferably,keep the 7 noahide mitzvot.We don't like jc followers among us. We don't like christians teaching us.You didn't get it alraedy?we don't like jc followers sticking in our issues,surving as parasites . And go to say stupidities about our religion in your church,not to us. Hopefully is comming the time when your likes are going to get out of Israel!

First off if you go under the guise of "english person" than expect to be associated with the histroical and cultural implications that come from your heritage. As far as your comment regarding the consequences of building the third temple let it be clear that Israel has a right to do with its land whatever the hell it damn well pleases. The neighboring arab countries are already hell bent on the destruction of Israel so fulffilling a very important Jewish commandment that dates back to before the existance of muslims and christians is inconsequential. Time to get off that imperial horse and realize that an autonomous country is subject to its own laws and not that of a former empire

Only the Jews allow the desecration of the holiest place with a religious building from another religion, from the Islamic religion who hates Jews! Furthermore, it is proven that there is no connection between the Temple Mount and the Musliim faith. The Muslims did the same with the Hindu temples in India! When the Jews will say "enough is enough" and destroy this mosque that is nothing less than a sacrilege of the Jewish faith.

hmmm, here in England we have lots of anti-israel left wing idiots who know nothing about nothing but purport to know everything about everything. These are the same people who would call suicide bombers "a contemporary means of self expression". The same people who would stand up for the "human rights" of those who try to blow our kids to bits on the underground. Idiots. Full stop. Thankfully, there are at least some of us here in England who do not pander to the politically correct, anti semitic academia.

Instead of "caveat emptor" they created a ridiculous set of legalisms to do exactly the same thing. As the inheritor of the Roman empire, England is responsible for the burning of the temple and the genocide of the Jews who dwelt in the land.