Martin Sherman surpasses brilliance!

still existing between the Jews and the G-d of Israel. Yesterday was 9 of Av, I'm sure not many connect it to what's going now in Israel.

the agenda is to dismantle Jewish sovereignty and to allow the Islamification of the country--which will be what would happen--the whole idea of sharing binationality beween non-Muslims and Muslims should be quite obvious from the Lebanon experience. Lebanon was created as a Christian refuge out of "Graeter syriua" (al-sham)--at a time when the massacres of Christians in that country by Muslims was still frech in people's memory. The Christians--with the same Western oriented sense of fair play thaqt motivates many Jews, agreed to "share power"--and in doing so played their cards wrong. They have essentially been replaced. The same has happened on the "West Bank" and in Gaza.

Yes, and if it is to survive and prosper as it must amid its neighbours intolerant, what better way than through a Jewish enlightened tolerance of difference in others as an example and ecumenical bridge which would appeal and encourage the same from Islam?

Martin Sherman, you are so right! Certainly Israel must maintain itself as an overall liberal, secular Western democracy-theocracies never work-but it also must retain its Jewish character, and we must do our best to help Israel stay Jewish! I in no way mean subjugating the non-Jews who have every right to live there, but increase the significance of being Jewish to Israel!

The public can now be a witness, that if the assimilation of the Jewish State becomes a State of the Nations, I will personally lead a revolution, and there will be know reason politically and intellectually, according to even the most docile of the American founders, that the right to uproot our religious and national ties can be justified by any government action. Therefore military redress is one risk that a revolution entails.

Martin Sherman, brilliant, simply brilliant. Mr. Sherman, can you arrange for a TV confrontation with one of more of the post-Zionists? First, let`s see if one of the Leftist TV`s (1,2,10) will accept that proposal. Then, let`s see which one of those post-Zionists will accept the confrontation.

If Israel is not a Jewish State then there is no moral reason for the State of Israel to exist. The only reason we are here is because we are a Jewish State. As soon as we become a State for all citizens we have no right to exist. Ofcourse not only does the left understand this, it also endorses it. The problem today is that Post-Zionism is real and here. Citizens are Israelis, not Jews, in their own eyes (perhaps fulfilling Herzl's vision). Jewish citizens on the left could not care less that they are Jewish. They want multi-culturalism, to invite more African migrants into the country and to give them citizenship, to let foreign workers stay (which is why the worker's right NGOs are so left wing). Intermarriage is considered to not be problematic. It doesn't matter that we let in half a million non-Jewish Russians - and now they should get full rights. And why not? Their identity is Israeli, not Jewish. But then we have no right to be here, so ofcourse post-Zionists are left wing politically. We don't need to be religious, but we do need to understand and appreciate that Israel exists as a Jewish State ONLY because this is where we come from. We have no right to be here otherwise, and if post-Zionism continues to its natural conclusions, we will not be here for much longer.

They are annoyed that they were born Jews - in their mind, a stroke of bad luck. Even a secular Israel is just too "Jewish" for their taste. They'd rather be pseudo-Europeans - eager to assimilate & eventually disappear. Many tried to do this in Europe, but Hitler put an end pretty much to that ambition. And, much to their chagrin, by the force of circumstances, here they are in a Jewish country. These are the real self-haters - people who somehow absorbed all the anti-Semitic attitudes from the Gentile environment. In a very real sense, they are like the Hellenists of old who rejected Judaism for the "world civilization" of Hellenism. You kind of have to pity people who are so uncomfortable with their own identity that they seek to adopt someone elses identity. OK, enough psycho-babble for today. Good article, Mr Sherman!

Anything that isnt LeShem Shamayim is bound to fail and since Zionism is an ideology created in the 19th century and the Israeli state was founded by chillunim atheists it will fail.

Those who want Israel to be Jewish are described as "right wing extremists" on these pages. Wrong! G-d is no right wing extremist and the the Torah is not an extreme right wing manifesto.

You are completely right and I agree with everything you said. But just be careful when you say that Herzl's vision was Israeli and not Jewish. Herzl always believed that Israel must be built upon and connect with our 3000 year history. The best place to see this is in the title of his book Altneuland, or Old New Land. He very much saw the need to continue the Jewish legacy into the modern era. On the other hand, when talking about the "new Jew" and the Israeli disconnect from Judaism, I think you are referring to Ben Gurion. BG tried to reinvent our heritage by making Jewish history start from 1948, mainly because he was so strongly influenced by socialism. By trying to create one Israeli identity, instead of allowing all the different Jewish ethnic and cultural traditions to flourish, Ben Gurion suppressed our Jewish past in favor of an Israeli future... He was still a pretty good guy though in my book.

not post Zionism. The whole concept of Herzelism is to deny Jewish history and its roots and our legitimate inheritance claim to our land. Just read NR 10 Terry and you will get the picture. The media are mostly on that side of the coin and would love to see the Jewish character of our people disappear altogether. The fact that someone could write this kind of opinion for Ynet is in itself amazing, it seems that some intellectuals are waking up to a more realistic understanding of why we have come back here in the first place. Post Herzelism is loosing its grip on the Jewish nation very fast, as it should be. But we can expect some real nasty stuff hitting us, because of the desperate holding on to power from our Herzelist elite.

Sherman is 100 percent correct. He forgot to note that in addition to our Jewish symbols, language and anthem, our calendar is a Jewish calendar and our official holidays & Sabbath are Jewish. If Israel ceases to be a Jewish state, there is no point in living here. I came here 40 years ago of my own free will to live in a Jewish state, not a phony creation imposed upon me by post Zionists. Most Jewish Israelis (we are still the majority) would vote for continuing the Jewish state. That is why I, my children & grandchildren are here and not in the U.S.

Sherman makes the very important point that these "post-Zionists" have to know in their hearts what the post-Zionist, largely-Arab state would be like--its level of economic and political development, tolerance, rights, etc. They would no longer be able to spout seditious nonsense without finding themselves in squalid prisons where they'd lie in a rat-infested cell when they weren't being tortured, but they'd be on the first plane to Miami or Brussels before that happened. No, they are spouters of hatred--as Terry says above, even a secular Israel is too Jewish for them. They hate religious Jews but they also hate any Jew who affirms being Jewish in any way. They are fascists with a message of hatred.

I disagree. They are fully aware that there is no semblance of democracy in the Arab world, but they see that this is where the first should be. They are not broken by defeatism. Just because there isn't democracy there, it doesn't mean we shouldn't work for the first one here. Also, the conditions are more ripe for it here than it has ever been over there.

The author is wrong in stating that aliya will disappear if there is a non Judaic post-zionist state. Millions will come to a state known for its Transsexual singers and hip-hop violinists, You're looking good and you know it!

It's no surprise that so many have disengaged from their own country, given that their leadership avoids reminding them of why they are here. When Olmert was at Annapolis last November he spoke more about Palestinian suffering and aspirations than his own nation's. Tamir makes certain Israelis know the "nakbah" , but not about thousands of years of Jewish presence on the land. Many of the elite have become "humanists" or "universalists". They are "Israelis" with foreign passports, wallowing in guilt for the "original sin" that is the country's creation. And, unfortunately, they're currently controlling Israel's destiny.

"As an inevitable consequence, there will neither be rhyme nor reason why any Jew (apart from those ultra-devout few who regard living in the Holy Land a religious command) would choose to live their life in a "non-Jewish Israel" rather than in any other "state of all its citizens" where the rigors of daily life are less demanding and less stressful." So, you really believe that living together with one's fellow Jews is irrational if all citizens are treated decently? Do you see no merit in Jews who wish to live in peace and harmony with their neighbours? That would diminish the supposed stress of living in Israel, even if the glorious sunshine and friendly population fail to do the trick. What a silly man!

Don't you get it? Israel's neighbors are the ones who do not want to live in peace and harmony with Israel, not the other way around. No matter how decently Israel would treat all of it's citizens, this would remain the case. Why do you insist on continuing to trumpet discredited drivel which I'm sure you are aware is false?

if they are so post zionist. If they have no connection with being Jewish or accepting the country as Jewish.....then wish them a fair adeau. Other countries populations have no problem persecuting them for being post zionist. The Europeans certainly didn't during WWII. A state protecting the zionists came about, because the world wasn't going to forget about the post zionists heritage to begin with. They slaughtered them for it. And no amount of renouncing yourself as a Jew, stopped them from killing people labeled as Jews. I guess the Post Zionists will just have to live with the fact that God told them they were Jews whether they like it or not. Maybe they are stealth Jews......invisible to the masses in their own minds. Or could it be that they want to be invisible but just can't manage the feat. They can hide in other countries amongst those that might kill them when they are found out. Or they can come live with fellow Jews who mean them no harm.

Guys, I read this talkback and you all sound just like South African BOER creating the foundations for modern appartheid state. They also thought if their state will not be white and separated from black's it will perish. They also thought it was all so democratic!

"realities would in fact be the exact antithesis of the values invoked for making it." Well said. Actually the leftist who deify post-zionism, refuse to acknowledge that in every instance under every circumstance that they translated their destructive ideology in actual actions, the EXACT opposite occurred. They gave the Palestians Gaza and got bombs, they Lebenon away and got Hizbollah, they gave weapons to Fatah and got Hamas, they wanted acknowledgement from the international community for their 'painful decisions' and got more pressure for compromise, and they go on with their insanity. There is not a normal human being alive that doesn't see that every action committed by the post-zionists weakened Israel nationally and internationally. COMPLETE MORONS.

Dont you think perhaps it is already a State for all its citizens? Oh it has the Star of David on its flag, and the Menorah on official paperwork. Granted we have a national anthem which words apply to Jews alone, so we must be a Jewish State right? Well then how is it that Israel has close to 2 million non Jews who are citizens? You try being a Jewish citizen in Jordan or Saudi or others, yet arab non jews are citizens of Israel, as well as many other denominations. Is our army exclusively Jewish? No. Is this so called Jewish State advancing the Jewish cause? Are we free to build anywhere in our own Jewish sovreignity or homeland? Or perhaps our "Jewish Government" acts today more like the British Mandate of past limiting Jewish growth, not allowing Jews to settle anywhere in its own homeland. She freely expells its own Jewish citizens from their homes but would not dare to do the same to arab citizens. Where its courts are more about protecting arab rights then Jewish rights. Hasnt war been declared on Jews whos only fault is their geographic residence? Are we truly in control of the Temple Mount? Arabs seem to be able to build anywhere without any permits yet Jews are restricted with permits and enforcement applied. Are not malls and shops open on Shabbat?, Do buses not run on shabbat. Are pigs not reared in this so called Jewish State? Perhaps it is already a State for all its citizens? For a truly Jewish State cannot have non Jewish citizens, it can confer on those loyal and deserving permenant residence status but citizenship?

I think you ought to be more concerned about the long term survival of your own state than passing judgment on others.

"Post Zionism" means overcoming Judaism. The Hebrew Bible has numerous references of return to Zion. Psalm 137. There are numerous other references. You have to abolish most Jewish holidays: Hanukah is a Zionist holiday. On Yom Kippur and Passover you say "next year in Jerusalem". There is Tisha Be'Av the destruction of the Temple certainly a "Zionist" holiday. Yes, Purim too. All daily Jewish prayers refer to return to Zion, the Holy Land and Jerusalem. There was continuous presence of Jews in the Holy Land. There are many references such as the Geonim who were in Israel in the fifth century, In 638 Jews were allowed by the Muslims to return to Jerusalem from her surroundings . Yehuda Halevi visited the Jewish community in Zion in the 11 century ("Ode to Zion") and many others. There are other multiple references which show that Jews lived in the Holy Land long before Herzl. To abolish Judaism means collaborating with Ahmadinejad and Hitler. Israel is a democracy that speaks Hebrew, has a unique Israeli culture no less than Norway or France. Israeli have the right to decide their own destiny. Suppose somebody in China will suggest to return Texas and California to Mexico. What would you tell them? "Post Zionism" is irrelevant, a colonialist attitude that means that a country should loose her identity infavor of archaic and not tested theory. Are the Walloons and Flanders living in peace and tranquility in Belgium? and what about Norther Ireland? This arrogance of "post Zionists" is typical for self hating people who are self serving and irresponsible. Israel should establish a center to support Israel identy to fight the Israel audatious academia.

And until somebody comes up with a better one, I'll stick with it.