Doomed to the trash heap of history, no matter what. Only morally and Ethically challenged people will argue endlessly about their "right" to a place where they can murder, rip off, and pillage at will. Get a shrink, then get a life. Zionism is an institution for the criminally insane.

Greg is that really the best you can do? Lets tick off SOME of the differences: a) Blacks majority in SA, Jews majority in Israel. b) Blacks no rights under apartheid, in Israel Israeli Arabs have the right to vote, to same education as Jews - Arabs make up 1/3 of Haifa university for example - and exactly the same legal rights c) Blacks could not hold decent jobs and there was legal discrimination between Blacks and whites. In Israel, Arabs are managers, generals, ministers, MKs, judges etc. d) There is no legal separation from arabs and Jews unlike apartheid. and so on and so on.... Oh and the ANC was not repeatedly firing rockets in white townships. I wonder if you know this and are simply lying or whether you feel that being completely ignorant the best way to deal with it is to broadcast your ignorance?

you want to say that the one can make a state but can not make his skin white or black .you are right it is the same here in israil man can not make his religion but the religion make a man but all of us here can make a state

Let's not discuss Belgium and racism, not in the past or now being a Turk living in Brussels or Antwerpen. In Israel, Arabs are full citizens with full rights. You could visit (please don't) any supermarket or shopping center and see Arab citizens (Muslims, Beduins and Christians) living normal uneventful lives. Compare to the Arab states you admire where it is illegal for a Jew (and sometimes Christian) to live, to own property, to stay or to worship. The "moderate" Fatah demands that all Jews be cleansed from lands under Arab control. The now-dead "national poet" called for ethnic cleansing of Jews. Hamas has completed the ethnic cleansing of Gaza's millenia old Christian presence while Fatah is in the process of doing the self in Bethlehem. What you should do is learn a little bit about what Apartheid means.

paranoia and racism

"If Israel is not Zionist, it will not be Jewish; if it is not Jewish it will not be democratic." Simple, yet straight to the point. Worth to memorize

we have had 100 years of Jews dying because the Zionists rebelled against G-d and His Torah by establishing a State before Moshiach. The Talmud says Moshiach will not come until there is no Jewish State. Post Zionism is the answer. Once the State is no longer "Jewish" then Moshiach will come and there will be peace in the whole world!

What narishkeit you write, such shtoosim mit lockshen. 1948 was no accident and if Hakodosh Baruch Hu did not want it to happen it would not have happened. If Hashem had to wait for you charedim to re-establish Israel he will have to wait another 10,000 years or more, you sit in the beis hamedrash and think all will happen without you having to have to do anything. And Im not excusing secular zionism, but without them having built the current foundation and kibbutz galuyot, there would be nothing for Moshiach to come to. You think you know Yoel but you havent a clue. You have internalised goluss that you cannot see anything else. I hope one day you will be able to think just a little out of that micro box that many of you have created for yourself. "You can take a Jew out of Goluss but you cant take the Goluss out of the Jew"

is always going to be present with the State of Israel. It's unique in that it is the homeland of the Jews, and it will always be a sacred and revered place in the memory of Jews. Jews need a place to call home-that's in their own. Nowhere else in the world is there such a place with a unique character. At the same time, they want to build and maintain a modern and democratic country that respects the rights of all its citizens. Yes, it's not perfect, but after they got theri nation, now the task is making it into its own. So I think Israel is about having a modern country that at the same time protects and enshrines the age old Jewish values which helped to forge a people's indentity.

Zionism was about paying exorbitant rip-off prices for marshes, swamps, and wilderness and making the desert bloom. Since you are from NY, you ought to know by now that Manhattan was "purchased" in a rip-off deal from the local Indian tribes for a few pots and pans and guns that wouldn't fire. And yet today, it is the most lucrative piece of real estate on the planet. And by what right? By the imposition of the will of the stronger party on the weaker party. Face the facts. You have no leg to stand on challenging Israel's right to exist.

The Zionist regime can arm itself to the teeth, but it can't save itself from rotting from within. Mr. Sherman fails to note that there is nothing Jewish about Zionism. Indeed, it is in opposition to authentic Jewish values, notwithstanding the participation of the bribed and corrupt "Haredi" leaders and groups!

Comrade Bronstein, hehe Like I said you truly gave the USSR version. All your comments in #27 are meaningless Comrade. When Russians are prepared to leave Russia and its capital Moskva then come talk to us about us leaving our homeland Israel including Judea-Yehuda (figure out why were called Jews-Yahud-Yude comrade) and Samaria and our 3000 year old plus capital Jerusalem. We are only occupying our own land. So all what you said is baseless rubbish. Nazdrovye Comrade.

This article is pure Aristotelian logical. This article could only come from immersion in the subject matter with inspiration to bring it to the surface. Comment 27 "oh is Israel a Jewish State?" also has a valid point in asking whether the State of Israel is already a "state of all its citizens." Oslo was passed only with the support of Arab MKs but 3 years prior in an opinion poll a slim majority of Israeli Jews wanted to annex Judea and Samaria. The Oslo process led in 2005 to one of the most undemocratic acts imaginable in Israel evicting thousands of its citizens from Gaza.

What are you trying to say?

I hold by the great Rav Kook. You hold by a bunch of kooks.