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Jordan: Israeli tourists asked to hand over Jewish paraphernalia
Itamar Eichner
Published: 13.08.08, 13:09
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1. Want to protect tourists?
Ofer ,   Israel   (08.13.08)
If Jordan wants to protect Israelis the way to do it is by arresting known terrorists sheltering in Jordan instead of hassling innocent Jews
2. very stupid...
YOEL   (08.13.08)
....Not to confiscate things, because jordans are sovereign into their country, and decide whatever they want. What is very stupid, is from our side; that people accept that, and keep on travelling to this country. Of course, you will visit magnificent sites, but will you pay the price of your ID denial? Americans are also unpopular... Do they refuse if you will pay in Dollars?? Of course No! Whatever you can think, israeli tourists are recognizable from very far, and it doesn't change anything if they wear kippa or not. This is just a way to say we are not welcome. Israelis endanger themselves for nothing, life is so precious that we should behave cautiously.
3. IT SERVES THEM WELL FOR BRINGING MONEY TO JORDAN
Sergio ,   Israel   (08.13.08)
Being openly Jewish, anyway, is NORMALLY considered dangerous by lots of other people: the Israeli police checking the visitors to the Temple Mount... And most of us Jews just bend over backwards for more...
4. Replace "Jordan" with "Israel" & "Jewish" with "Muslim"...
YMBMY ,   Modiin, Israel   (08.13.08)
... and imagine the uproar! FYI - the article doesn't even mention that Jews are prohibited from buying land in Jordan. And that is the country we have a peace treaty with! But then again, has anyone ever heard about Peace Now or the Association for Civil Rights or any other similar organization working on behalf of Jews there?
5. Don't travel to Jordan, don't give them any of your money
Avraham ,   NYC   (08.13.08)
6. in the u.s. i have been told i'm brave to wear the star of
debra ,   usa   (08.13.08)
david. i say i'm not brave, i'm proud. but it is surprising to hear that here. i guess i shoudn't be surprised, jew haters are everywhere. stay out jordan--they can go to hell.
7. #3 money isn't everything..
Edithann, USA   (08.13.08)
I just love it..they're using Israeli tactics...hassling tourists as they do in Israel... Maybe they just don't want Israeli's in Jordan even if they do bring money... Money isn't everything, although that might be hard for you to understand Sergio...
8. I believe their response, but it's still a stupid policy
Zvi   (08.13.08)
9. I don't see what the big deal is...
Lindsey ,   Fort Lee U.S.A.   (08.13.08)
Jordan is right. And if their were terrorist attacks on muslims and christians in Israel then Israeli authorities would tell tourists the same thing. It is for protection, and Israelis need to understand that there is a significant level of danger for them there, secular Israelis understand this logic, yet the orthodox are always stubborn and quick to condemn. They need to realize "When in Rome..." And as a I work in New York and fly to Israel twice a year, I see orthodox and non orthodox praying in public all of the time; on the subway, at the airport, in the park, etc. I love it, but Jordanian Muslims, probably not so much.
10. The Jordanians-are right
E. Rauch ,   Bnei Brak, Israel   (08.13.08)
Is somebody who does not identify with the Jewish People, is not interested in the history of the Jewish People, eats pork, and believes that we do not have a right to this country, is such a person Jewish? No. Is a person who visits this hostile country Jordan Jewish? No. To carry Jewish paraphernalia if you are not Jewish (like the Messianic "Jews" do) is inappropriate and stupid. The Jordanians are anti-Zionists but not antisemitic. By confiscating Tefillin, Bibles and other Jewish objects they protect the Jewish identity. Kudos to them.
11. A simple way to avoid being targeted
Jean-Pierre ,   Holon, Israel   (08.13.08)
..by terrorists is to stay away from countries where terrorists are sheltered and probably better protected from innocent tourists than these same tourists are from terrorists. You want to see Petra? Buy books, buy DVD documentaries. It is safe.
12. The Jordanians are doing the right thing
Arn ,   Yehud, Israel   (08.13.08)
Orthodox Jews will pray in airplanes and public places and have their tzitzis fly about in the wind wherever they are. On the Sabbath in almost every large city outside Israel you can find them walking the streets wrapped inside their praying shawls. They do not always pray quietly in privacy as is suggested here. The Jordanians just don't want trouble. I'd listen to them. They know that tfillin and a tallis for a would-be terrorist is akin to a fat worm for a fish.
13. # 2 Yoel
(08.13.08)
I'm not certain why you think Israeli tourists would be so easily recognizable if they're not religious. In fact, I had an experience in Israel where my husband, who's an Israeli of Middle-Eastern origin, was in an Arab-owned store along with my brother and me and we're both Americans. The store owner somehow thought my husband was also an American and tried to screw us on the price, at which point my husband gave him an earful in Arabic. So my point is if an Arab in Israel thought my obviously Middle-Eastern looking husband was an American, what makes you think that Arabs in Jordan would be any better at spotting an Israeli?
14. If Jordan wants to stop terrorism...
Joe ,   Ramat Gan   (08.13.08)
If Jordan wants to stop terrorism, they should give these 'Palestinians' their Jordanian citizenship back and offer them generous relocation packages to move to Jordan.
15. Jordanians confiscating Jewish paraphernalia
Eli ,   Israel   (08.14.08)
I believe them. They are particularly interested in having tourists come. Violence keeps tourists away. They may not particularly like us, but I have found that at the borders people are correct and numerous Jordanians have even been friendly.
16. #9 - these aren't just a pride thing, its
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17. #9- The tefillin and bibles are not for pride but for prayer
(08.14.08)
Since you are obviously not a religious Jew you can say you don't understand but you can't say Jordan is right and the orthodox are stubborn. I believe that the Jordanian's heart is in the right place on this one (even if it is possibly to avoid the bad press of a terrorist attack against religious Jews) but saying that orthodox Jews are stubborn because they don't want to let someone take away their right to pray in private is just plain intolerant and ignorant.
18. Edithann
Bill ,   US   (08.14.08)
I love how Christians and Muslims think Jews have some erotic love of money. Meanwhile, there's no such thing as a wealthy Christian nation that didn't become that way without mass murder, grand theft, and exploitation of a foreign group. And the Arabs Muslims , in spite of their oil wealth are still the largest employers of slaves in the world. Israel may treat their foreign workers badly but Ive only read where in Lebanon, a Sri Lankan woman attempted suicide to escape her enslavement. I'm looking foward to this Christmas season when the Christian car industry leaders again lay off thousands of workers while giving themselves multi-million dollar bonuses. (Ynet please don't censor this. If you thought her remarks were appropriate there's nothing wrong with what I wrote.)
19. #9 Lindsey - it's definitely not about pride
Zvi   (08.14.08)
Taking away Tfillin makes it impossible for Orthodox Jews to perform their mandatory private daily prayer rituals (which would be performed alone in the hotel room upon rising and before going to bed, and have nothing to do with pride; they are, as I said, MANDATORY). Taking away the siddur (prayer book) makes it difficult to pray properly, something which religious Jews do daily. Prayers may include specific prayers for the month or day of week or month or special situations. One hardly memorizes everything. As I said earlier, I believe that the Jordanians are trying to help, but I think it's a stupid policy. It will never prevent terrorism and it simply punishes religious Jews for being religious Jews. Israelis - secular & religious - will be at risk in the Muslim world because they often speak Hebrew (or Yiddish) in public. It will not make a bit of difference, security-wise, whether religious Jews have tfillin or siddurim in their baggage so that they can pray in private.
20. Why not to transfer all arabs from Israel ?
yehudi ,   palestine   (08.14.08)
For the same security reasons.
21. Har HaBayit
J Hartman ,   Israel   (08.14.08)
This is the same policy that is applied on Har HaBayit by the Israeli Police/Security forces due to their submission to the threats of the Waqkf and Islamic Movement. Why would you expect the Kingdom of Jordan to do better than the situation here.
22. Do the terrorists open
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.14.08)
the bagage of tourists to see if there is'nt any siddur or tefilin hidden inside ? Those are'nt "external" signs of Judaism as a kippa could be . I know that some kippa wearing Israelis take their kippa off when travelling abroad , that you can eventually understand , but taking their tefilin or siddurim ?
23. The same thing happened in Jerusalem
Chocko ,   NY, USA   (08.14.08)
to the 3 leaders of the Christian denominations who wanted to say a prayer of peace at the wall. They were refused because they had symbols of Christianity. Your all the same... Must be the heat. And in relation to this stroy, I think the Jordanians are pretty smart to try and prevent the religious from being targetted... If they got in and were attacked, you would be blaming them for not doing enough....
24. as sad as it is it is right
fish ,   t-a   (08.14.08)
the jordanians did the right thing, and even if they are not in mad love with Israel, they proved over the years to be trustworthy neighgbours, unlike Egypt. Jordan suffers itself from terror attacks - you may remember explosions in 5-star hotels in Amman at the wedding parties , which killed Arab newly-weds, so obviosuly it's not entirely a safe country for anyone to be, but given the attitude of Arabs and Muslims towards Jews, one has to be extra-careful. I'm fully secular, but when I travle abroad with my children I cauiton them not to speak Hebrew too loud in the street - you remember the case of an Israeli business person or embassy worker who was attacked with a knife in Holland, the assailant - an Arab of course - heard him speaking Hebrew loudly. In Russia if you're dressed as haredi you can be attacked by a bunch of hoodlums, in Germany - by skinheads, in Poland by Anti-Semites, in Africa probably by man-eating tribes. And then again - you travel to Jordan to rest and have fun - why do you need to take all religious items withyou, you have not mistaken Petra for Western Wall? If parying and wearing religious paraphernalia is so essential to you - stay home, out of all trouble.
25. Jordan has a point
Brod ,   USA   (08.14.08)
in this issue because Islamist-Jihadist thugs would murder anyone identified as Jews. Remember what Ali Sina says in his Must Read book, "Understanding Muhammad," that "Islam is a cult and Muslims have a very cultic mentality." (p.189).
26. #4 : Peace NOW also banned
moshe ,   k'.haim, Israel   (08.14.08)
#4 Jordanian attempt to give Israelis some anonymity , to prevent terorist attacks...good for them ! "Peace Now" , ham, hiz, nazis, anti-Israeli gruppes, are probably also banned from Jordan . moshe
27. They are trying to protect the Jews from their
Steven Wilson ,   Anchorage, Alaska   (08.15.08)
anti semetic population..........I get it. They aren't anti-semetic......the people they represent are. Many countries are starting these programs for muslims too. "Give up the Koran buddy. Everyone caught without a Koran gets killed by the terrorist groups, who practice killing everyone without a Koran." "Therefore, to stop this from happening......we are taking everyones Koran, to protect them from the religious extremists." This would fly with the Muslims....I know it would.
28. It should be done in America too
chanan ,   USA   (08.15.08)
On a recent visit to a very frequented National Park, among waterfalls and gorgeous vegetation there was a 3 generations family of Muslims hanging around the Restrooms. Women were wearing their best traditional pajamas and men in long night gowns, all looking as if just came out of an Ali Baba and 40 thieves fable. A while latter I saw them again, this time in the middle of a manicured lawn with their head down and butts up all supposedly worshiping Satan. It frightened everybody else looking at them at this strange show after what 9/11, not being a bit concerned what American citizens would think. I think that at least the pajamas and night gowns need be forbidden/confiscated from them outside their country of origin, they look so out of place. On the other hand it is so lovely to see Indian women wearing their beautiful and colorful sari
29. it would be too amusing...
peter ,   switzerland   (08.15.08)
but unfortunately it is just sad and hypocritic. Any opposite arguments on your side is ment automatically either anti-semitic or former Nazi minded. you realy suffer from antisemitic-mania. The way some of you behave, anywhere, is often just disgusting to say it very polite. You dont give a damn about anything and you lake any sense od decency as well.. as i said some of you.. but this some of you are the creators of preconceptions about all of you! ... ever seen a breakfast or dinner buffet after the visit of some israeli tourists? :) so just shut up and start respecting other countries limitations too. at least you dont have to wait in Amman airport 4 hours for lunatic security checks and a million sensless and stupid questionaries
30. #29 - peter, Indeed, it would be too amusing...
Joe ,   Ramat Gan   (08.15.08)
...but unfortunately your comments on the situation are oversimplistic and represent not just a lack of knowledge on Arab-Jewish relations, but also expose the hypocritical double standards all too commonly applied in Europe these days. Having lived on three continents myself, Europe being one of them, the Swiss should be the first to practice what they preach when traveling abroad, followed by the Germans and the Dutch. Polite and neat while within their home country, but loud and brackish while abroad. Do you want evidence of my claim? Your Talkback posting is evidence enough. The economic success of post-war Europe creates a false sense of entitlement in Europeans to impose their Weltanschauung onto their neighbors. I mind my own business and do not pester you about your business, isn't this what neutrality is all about?
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