ask the Lebanese people ! by the way if Israel bombs lebanon to the stone age becuse of two kidnaped soldiers, then Russia has the right to retaliate for the 1000 killed by the initial Georgian attack. How would Israel reackt if it had been attackted by Hizbollah with several hundered dead Jews in Haifa or Tel Aviv????

Israelis have a disease called "The Moshe Dayan" syndrome. This means that choose to see what they like with the good eye and not to see what they dislike with the bad eye. They can see Iran's nuclear program but not their own. They can see Hezbollah and Hamas capturing Israeli soldiers, yet fail to see the tens of thousands of Arab hostages in Israeli jails, among which are women and children and Palestinian members of parliament. They can wrongly see that Sameer Kuntar killed an Israeli child, yet they cant see the massacres commited by the IDF against Lebanese children in Qana and else where and against Palesinian children such as Mohamed El DOrra and the countless others. Hezbollah, Hamas and Iran are the answer to Israeli arrogance.

than to be completely blind. You fail to state the WHY'S of Israel,and you fail to state that YOU are a greedy people who do not wish Israel and Jews living in peace in our own country.WE want peace;YOU don't! You fail to explain WHY you fight for such a tiny place if you own THE WHOLE MIDLLE EAST!Why your owns do not resolv the problem of your own people with at least a bit of humanity and take them to your countries? WHY?Are you able to explain ,with a brain seeing with 2 whole eyes?

WE want peace;YOU don't! So why keep building illegal settlements? Why keep building a concrete eight metre wall through Palestinian villages? Why fire tank shells at journalists? Why shoot blindfolded detainees? Why shoot children dead - when they throw stones? Why beat and humiliate and expel Palestinians? Why detain hyundred of palestinians without charge or without reason? Etc

I can see that the Arab "children" in Israel prisons are like the teen caught yesterday carrying explosives to murder people, probably sent by members of the Palestinian parliament. We can see what happened in Qana and KNOW that it was a fair hit since Hizbollah fired rockets from that vicinity. All Israel has to do is point the Geneva conventions for that one. By the way, and hopefully for the last time, the al Dura case was a fraud. It was proven in a French court.

If you didnt exist, we would have to invetn you, just as a testimont to stupidity. If you are so aggrieved by these "injustices" why do you hide behind your URL in Europe? Why not move back to our west bank and enjoy your vacations there. Is it the lack of Cappucinos and Late?

OK... Im not hiding behind anything. Im a Yank and dont trust Russia, but Monkey see Monkey do. On other TB's on Ynet there is a lot of talk condemning Russia for their brutality in Georgia... And now you have the right wing on these pages giving out about Russia using Cluster Bombs when there were thousands of them dropped in Lebanon duirng the last war. Bandar (#3) has a point, in that a lot of people see what they want and forget the rest... # 8 also has a point in that if the Palestinians didnt exist, I have a feeling Israel would tear itself apart, as you need an enemy to have an excuse to exist as one... Goes all the way back to the Amalekites

First of all, thank you for you candor, the fact that you say "WE" finally reveals you are a Palestinian. And I've always thought you're some deranged leftist European sick to the bone with antisemitism. As for you questions now. Why build illegal settlements? - No new settlements are built now, and of course, Israel withdrew from all of Gaza. On the other hand, you would find plenty of illegal appropriation of lands in Arab villages in Israel. Fact is, Arabs live much less densely than Jews. Why build a concrete wall? - Because it saves lives, dramatically decreasing terror attacks. The wall's route had been changed because of the Supreme Court's ruling to accommodate the needs of the Palestinians. And if your brothers kept peaceful, we wouldn't have to have this. Why fire tank shells at journalists? - What the hell are journalists doing in a war zone to begin with? They contribute nothing there, aside for Paliwood propeganda. This is war, and in a war people get hurt. No one asked them to stick their neck in harm's way. Why shoot blindfolded detainees? Why beat and humiliate and expel Palestinians? - I think some of these measures were indeed somewhat overboard. Yet, ever wondered what sort of treatment your brothers in Hamas are giving your brothers in Fatah? Trust me, if I were a Palestinian detainee, I'd rather be held by Israel. Oh, and no one expelled Palestinians anywhere. Why shoot children dead - when they throw stones? - No one ever intentionally shot and killed children throwing stones. Why weren't these children in school, trying to promote their personal future, instead of being Haniyeh's pawns? Why detain hundreds of Palestinians without charge or reason? - Because most of them did pretty serious crimes. At least it's better than performing a blitz-trial and execution, as is done routinely by the PA. And why detain Gilad Shalit without a charge or reason? And more questions for you: Why shoot Kassams at Sderot and Ashkelon, after Israel gave you all of Gaza? Why do it when you're not provoked at all? Why do it when the residents of these towns did absolutely nothing to the Palestinians? Why continue the virulent antisemitic and anti-Israeli incitement in the Palestinians media? Why martyrize suicide bombers? Why educate the young to follow their steps? Didn't you say "we want peace?" Is that your idea of promoting it?

It's hard to tell exactly whats exactly happened at this time, however on the overall the Russians took over so fast and seen unwilling to honor cease fires and then taking into account preceding events before conflict, many things just not just not right by the Russian account.

Straight from the days of communism come the words of the current government of Russian. Once again the equation reads Russia = Lies All free nations should, as a minimum do the following: 1. Sever diplomatic relations with Russia. Close their embassies. Bring all their diplomatic staff home. 2. Cancel any and all financial/business/trade transactions with the government of Russia and with any Russian company. 3. Ban the travel of all Russians! 4. Freeze any Russian governmental or Russian company assets that reside outside Russia. Liquidate those assets and pass them to Georgia to help with the rebuilding of their country which Russia is now systematically looting. 5. The US should immediately expel even the Russian Ambassador to the UN and his entire staff along with all Russian diplomats within the US. Hopefully, Europe and others would follow suit. 6. The US should deploy the 82nd Airborne to Georgia as a buffer between the Russians and Georgians. If the Russians shoot at the Americans, BOMB Russia! Push the Russian Bear back into its cage and teach it a lesson!

I'm glad you can so put such bravado into propositions, as you obviously have already a tunnel at home with radiation meters, iodine tablets, and 2 years of MRE's stockpiled. I suggest compare the western response to this situation vs. past conflicts. When another nation aggressed upon it's neighbor, the rhetoric was harsh, fast, and military mobilization was swift. Now notice the soft-peddeled voice towards Russia. NOTHING about direct conflict or military reprisal. GWB, NATO, and G7 are being careful about words, avoiding any verbal escalation whatsoever and give Russia every opportunity to pull out without losing face. This is the most bending over backward to give an aggressor a gracious exit opportunity ever. GWB says 'their relationship will be damaged' and 'now now now, Putin, don't be a bully!' and things like that. But at the same time, look at the creases in GWB's forehead and between his eyebrows, downcast eyelids, aspirated speech pattern... so many clues he and Rice give that they are truly worried about this situation. The subtle clues show much deeper concern than what is reflected by the press releases of GWB, and Rice. Compare them to Saakashvili. Big difference. More to the picture than meets the eye, and this is more serious than the west is saying.

For your information, George, Russia had a media blackout in South Ossetia, so the claim that Georgia killed 1000 civilians has never been verified. This sounds like something out of the Saeb Erakat script book, which once claimed Israel massacred 500 in the "Jenin massacre". It later turned out that a ferocious battle took place in Jenin, during which 52 Palestinians and 23 Israelis were killed. In fact, the reason for the high Israeli soldier death toll was because Israel feared the unfavorable media coverage and sent Israeli infantry into built up areas without tank support.

We see very well. It is your society that suffers from the Pallywood syndrome.. Mohammed el Durra was not shot by Israelis, that much is clear. In Qana, Hizbullah rocket fire was directed at Israelis deliberately from adjacent to a UN compound. Israeli counterfire was directed to the source of the firing. Is it just me, or did you just imply that Samir Kuntar did not murder 3 innocent civilians in cold blood? What's the matter, trying to placate a guilty conscience?

"Hezbollah, Hamas and Iran are the answer to Israeli arrogance. " "They [Israelis] can wrongly see that Sameer Kuntar killed an Israeli child" You yourself are suffering from the syndrome called Denial. Your national hero Kuntar murdered 3 civilians in cold blood, and was unjustly released thanks to the intervention of a cannibal who dishonestly deals in dead bodies. Kuntar not only initially admitted his crimes before his trial, but his guilt was proven -not beyond a reasonable doubt - but beyond a shadow of a doubt. You have lost all moral bearings and are now in free fall.

Karen, the Arabs are RESISTING your illegal occupation of their land. It is only because of ONE veto that has allowed you to circumvent the UN and it ruling for you return to the 1967 borders and obey International laws. ONE veto that denies the Arabs justice from your daily murder and plunder. NOBODY, in the interest of peace, wants you lot in their neighborhood. Banished from ME by the Romans banished from Europe by numerous countries. Google It!

I presume you are jewish,because your rants are not disimilar to those jews who want the US to declare war on Iran. Not satisfied you lot now want US to antagonize the Russians with surely the sole intent of doing battle with Russia. Why don't the jews fight their own battles and stop expecting the US to wipe their butts. Go fight Iran on your own and go fight the Russians on you own. The rest of us are sick to death with you war mongers.

Oh how short the memory of the average Israeli. I've never heard one word of protest here on ynet about using cluster bombs on Lebanese civilians. And Israel's use of cluster bombs two summers ago in Lebanon is a proven fact. What you are reading on this thread is hearsay, more like propaganda issued for the mindless masses. I'll bet Mikhail Saakashvili is the source of this story. Eith him or George Bush. And the civilized world knows both these weasels are pathological liars. By the way, now that you have seen how George Bush rescues him allies how do you feel about him as your ally?

And you should dare not mention them. Arabs, Iranians, and now Russia have buried the UN.

Do you still believe all this Pallywood?....Can I sell you a bridge in Brooklyn?

proof of Israeli atrocities .

of the aboriginies? and stop putting your nose in something you know nothing about .......

you seem to forget who attacked them first !

But what is even more amazing is your perpetual state of denial... how old are you exactly?

hahahahahh

http://www.repubblica.it/2006/05/gallerie/esteri/palestinese-esecuzione/2.html ....Since you seem to admire them so much .....