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Rabbi accuses Peace Now of grave sin
Kobi Nahshoni
Published: 29.08.08, 07:54
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31. To number 24: Prof. Bar-on is wrong!
Palestinian   (08.29.08)
Palestinians like Egyptians like Lebanese, are Arabs because they are Arabic speaking... They are not necessarily gentically descendents of the tribes of Arabia as you are suggesting. In any case, the majority of Semitic people including Hebrews are of Arabian origins so your point is pointless in fact! Finally, Arabs in whatever meaning you understand this word to be, have been in Palestine before and after Islam. The nomads of Palestine from Nabateans, Ghassanids, Idumeans, etc are all Arabs. Herods the Great was Arab but not pagan, he was practicing Judaism. You are distorting history. Palestinians are descendents of the Semtic people who inhabited Palestine from The Canaanite, Phonecian, Hebrew age, till this day of ours. Finally, you have no proof whatsoever that the world Jewry population is in fact descendent of the Israelites... In fact, many Israelites converted to Christinity during the Roman era, and many of those converted to Islam !
32. To the Prof. in 24: Isn't Palestine in north Arabia anyway?!
Observer   (08.29.08)
33. So-called Palestinian #31
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (08.29.08)
Nice try, but you are wrong. 'In any case, the majority of Semitic people including Hebrews are of Arabian origins so your point is pointless in fact! ' Wrong again, the Hebrews came from the land known as Israel today. 'Palestinians are descendents of the Semtic people who inhabited Palestine from The Canaanite, Phonecian, Hebrew age, till this day of ours.' Total bogus. That was an invention of the KGB in the mid 1960s. 'In fact, many Israelites converted to Christinity during the Roman era, and many of those converted to Islam ! ' Again you lie. Almost no 'Israelites' converted. Christianity had to go after pagans because the Jews wouldn't convert. Your entire history is nothing more than a lie, build upon another lie.
34. It is not surprising that Peace Now is a group
Marty ,   USA   (08.29.08)
of Moser's. After all, their chief benefactor, Soros, was a moser to the Nazis when he went around pointing out where all the wealthy Jews in Hungary hid their wealth.
35. To # 31
Marty ,   USA   (08.29.08)
All you have to do is test your DNA. I did and guess what. Actually you might turn out to be Jewish. Many Mohammedan's killed the Jewish husbands and forcibly took the wifes as their tenth wife. Who knows, you might be one of their descendants. Take the test.
36. #31 - when did Arabs start to call themselves Palestinians!
redmike ,   Tel Aviv   (08.29.08)
Before the 6 day war nobody called himself a Palestinian. After Gaza and the West Bank were conquered Arabs in those areas wondered who they were. Arafat came up with the idea of a Palestinian nation and Rabin stupidly agreed with the idea because Arafat said that he'd recognize Israel. There is no connection between the Arabs in Gaza and the ones in the West Bank and they don't even like each other. But you know all the above already. Mike
37. Phrases like 'who cares' are best avoided
redmike ,   Tel Aviv   (08.29.08)
The phrase is mostly used by teens that are still only interested in music and sex and many people won't even open a post with the subject line "who cares?". Rabin is responsible for the major problem that Israel has today. He accepted Arafat's invention that Palestinians existed in exchange for Arafat agreeing to acknowledge that Israel existed which of course he never did. I am in no way condoning his murder but Rabin caused enormous harm to this country. Mike
38. #31 your lies count for nothing!
You want the Truth?   (08.30.08)
You say: Finally, you have no proof whatsoever that the world Jewry population is in fact descendent of the Israelites... In fact, many Israelites converted to Christinity during the Roman era, and many of those converted to Islam ! You ask for proof? "Wider genetic studies of diverse present day Jewish communities show a remarkable genetic cohesiveness. Jews from Iran, Iraq, Yemen, North Africa and European Ashkenazim all cluster together with other Semitic groups, with their origin in the Middle East. A common geographical original can be seen for all mainstream Jewish groups studied. This genetic research has clearly refuted the libel that the Ashkenazi Jews are not related to the ancient Hebrews, but are descendants of the Kuzar tribe -- a pre-10th century Turko-Asian empire which reportedly converted en masse to Judaism. Researchers compared the DNA signature of the Ashkenazi Jews against those of Turkish-derived people, and found no correspondence." More at: http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Cohanim-DNA-Connection.htm http://www.cambridgedna.com/y-chromosomal-aaron-and-the-cohen-model-haplotype.php http://www.healthanddna.com/ancestry/jewish-dna.html So called and non existant Palestinian entity go peddle your lies to arabs who will believe anything you have to say but not to us.
39. Yes, because what screams
Terry ,   Chicago, IL   (08.30.08)
"we want peace" more than a Jewish fatwa against Peace Now activists...? P.S.: The Palestinian 'Mils' currency has been around since the early 1900's, thus refuting your outrageously erroneous claims that Palestinian identity was created in 1967.
40. We do not need a Rabbi to tell us this
jason white ,   afula,israel   (08.30.08)
We Jews have known all along that peace now is an enemy group. Why they want to destroy Jewish homes and settlements on Jewish land for the palis is treason! The arabs have been trespassing on Jewish land for decades. This is like the 'jews" that informed on others in the concentration camps for some bread or a better job.
41. Palestinians are Arabs because They Identify with Arab Tribe
Bill ,   US   (08.30.08)
Not with any of the 12 tribes of Israel.
42. Are Arabs Semitic?
redmike ,   Tel Aviv   (08.30.08)
Ishmael had a Hamitic (not a Semitic) mother and married a Hamitic woman, his offspring are Hamites, not Semites. Hebrew and Arabic are both Semitic languages but as for the bloodline .. Mike
43. #31
Jayyy ,   Israel   (08.30.08)
So according to your theory, there must be a good chance you are related to us sons of apes and pigs! Hahahahahahaha! Tell me, why did no Arab dare call himself Palastinian pre 68? WHy did no ARab talk about an Israeli occupation pre 68? Im sure you know the true answers, but blind hatred stops you short of admitting the truth.
44. # 39
Bill ,   US   (08.30.08)
The currency you are talking about was isued by the British not by a Palestinian government which never existed. You didn't refute anything. Nobody denies the West called the holy land Palestine.
45. For 31 and all pro palistaniens
Barlev Kuki ,   Israel   (08.30.08)
Today there is no palistaniens in this world. The Arabs ignorantly try to become Palistaniens on ground of hatred for Israel. You people must learn who first called the Land of Israel Palistain and who were the real palistaniens? This Arabs who live in Israel can never claimed the rights of the Palistaniens, and if they do they will be considered a "Dead man walking in the streets of no where" because they are Arabs and not Palistaniens. So keep full-stop to the claims of the Arabs to creat the land of Palistaniens. A fox can't be a dog.
46. Rabbi calls Peace Now Moser
Eli ,   Israel   (08.30.08)
What can one expect from such morally bankrupt people? Why should anyone pay attention to such a rabbi, who is so full of hate and venom. He is reacting the way the rest of that fringe does, when its members don't get their way. They riot, refuse to serve in the army unless under their terms, and constantly break the law, which they disdain.
47. settlements
Fair   (08.31.08)
Peace now does important work and should be praised and supported. The settlements on occupied and unlawfully appropriated Palestinian land in the West Bank are a threat to security for both Israelis and Palestinians. They also give a message diametrically opposed to Israel's promises that it wants peace.
48. 47 - Lord Haw Haw also gave a diametrically opposed message!
redmike ,   Tel Aviv   (08.31.08)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stories/29/a2015029.shtml Copy and paste the above into your browser. The British hung Lord Haw Haw. Mike
49. Religion is foundation of civilisation...
Salomon   (08.31.08)
of death and destruction
50. Israel should have a censor for all publications
Micha   (08.31.08)
Anything that criticizes the peace process should be illegal to publish. No party should be allowed to run that does not support a Palestinian state. We must have peace now. We must outlaw anyone who opposes the left.
51. No how peacenik mosers
Paul Winter ,   Sydney Aust   (09.01.08)
If Peace (?) Now mosers did in fact discover that land technically belongs to some Arabs, Israel as the polity in control of territory whose status is undetermined, has a duty to acquire it for the benefit of its citizens in return for fair compensation to Arabs land holders. Peaceniks who prostitute themselves to foreigners like the EU and to anti-Israel left wing parties need to be prosecuted not under halacha, but under secular laws concerning treason in time of war.
52. Re Rabbi Rozen v.Peace Now
Anny Matar ,   Ramat-Chen/Ramat Gan   (09.02.08)
I am a secular proud Jewess and I am 100% against Peace Now. They are the most negative side of Israel by cutting the branch they sit on from their own tree-their fatherland,our country Israel. They throw mud at us everywhere but never find a word in defence of their own home.It is shameful and I find no excuse for it. The world is against us anyway, they don't need their help but they quote them whenever needed. I blame Rabbi Rozen for inciting a whole easily excitable community against a movement which has no place in our midths. Anny Matar
53. #23, JMK, you are simply dull
Jake   (09.02.08)
Endless repetition of canards does not add to your credibility: "christianity with its 450 pieces of jew hatred in only 250 pages" By the exact standards that you use to measure Jew-hatred, there is far, far more anti-Semitism in the Hebrew Bible than the New Testament. In fact most of the charges made by New Testament figures against Jews were simply cut-and-paste from the Israelite Prophets, for example Isaiah's statement that the Jews "slew the prophets". Wake up! These lunatics and crazies from Peace Now ARE the main threat to Jews and Israel, because they purport to be one of them while in fact they act as talebearers to those who can hurt and destroy us from the outside.
54. #32, "Palestine" is not in anything
Jake   (09.02.08)
It is, in fact, an adjective: Syria-Palaistine in Greek, Syria-Palaestina in Latin refer to a district of the region of Syria, originally corresponding to the Province of Judaea, which was so-named by the Emperor Hadrian in 135 C.E. to de-Judaize it. It is a corruption of the original term for "Philistines", who only occupied the southern coastal portions and were long extinct by the time of the Roman Empire. By the time of Islamic Caliphate, "Filastin" was only a minor district within a larger province, and its regional adminstration center was at Ramle, not Jerusalem. However, when the Crusaders appeared, they called the land "Terra Sancta" and the "Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem", not "Palestine". The successors of the Crusaders also did not use the terminology "Palestine" to describe the land in question. Renaissance-era European exploration maps even brought back the old Latin terminology, Judaea to label the land, not Palestine. When finally, the terminology "Palestine" filtered back into Western discourse, it was the name of an ill-defined geographical region, not a political entity. And when finally it became a political entity during the Mandate period, it included Trans-jordan and was in no way used to desribe a nation or distinct nationality. Unfortunately, in the modern world, it is not always the best product that sells, but the most crafty marketing scheme, that can sell a lie to a vast audience like hot bread. This has enabled logic and reason to be turned over on its head. It worked with the mass ideologies of Communism, Fascism, and Nazism and it is working very well in the forging of new, heretofore non-existent national identities in the modern world. Now the "Palestinians", a Levantine Arab, predominantly Sunni Moslem group, are a distinct nation that have dwelt in the land since the beginning of time, while everyone else, including the Jews, were merely interloping empires just passing through. Nowadays, the international consciousness links the term "Macedonia" and "Macedonian" with a South Slavic group, historical facts be damned.
55. Disgusting
Yaron ,   Vancouver, Canada   (10.25.08)
Because Israel is a true democracy, it is rather disgusting that this Rabbi hasn't been thrown in jail for incitement to hate yet.
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