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Rightists disengaging from Israel
Daniel Doron
Published: 01.09.08, 17:44
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1. Mush of the left and the right have......
Noam ,   NY   (09.01.08)
had a hand in feeding Israel to the wolves. We know pretty much how the left stands but the right pretended to be friends of Israel. It is not only their silence on what Bush has done to Israel but take a tour through a right wing blog and right wing media and hear & see it for yourself.
2. the right in america
Arthur Gilbert ,   Cherry Hill NJ usa   (09.01.08)
America is in the middle of political and financial instability...I think it is more that Israel is not at the top of the agenda here now...in fact...low on the list......good and bad...i think Israel must market itself...both to the left and right in america... thank you
3. Intelligent Americans Want A Realistic Foreign Policy
World Citizen ,   the world   (09.01.08)
One that is fair to Israel and her neighbors in the Middle East. Iran is not and will never be a danger to the United States. In reality Iran is not even a treat to Israel. Your own bellicose politicians are more of a threat to your country than anyone. If the US established diplomatic relations with Iran and treated the Persians as stabliziers in the Iraq and Afghanistan spheres of influence then much could be gained in assuring the flow of oil to the West (and Israel) It is only when the US backs the irrational demands of Israel's warmongers that relations become very tense with Iran, the entire Middle East, and even Russia. Israelis must come to the realization that the entire paradigm is changing. The US is in dire economic straits. The US can no longer afford to back Israel on its every whim. Sooner or later your country must try to deal with its neighbors in ways other than war. If you as a citizen of Israel do not try to positively influence your government then Israel is doomed becasue it cannot stand by itself.
4. FREE AT LAST !!!!!!!!!!!
DAVID ,   JUDEA   (09.01.08)
To rely on any so-called world power is a very stupid and shortsighted thing to do. There are no friendships between states , only interests, but our naive Israelis will probally never get that. The Americans do not owe us any loyalty nor friendship and can drop us in a blink of the eye, if they choose to do so. In our long and troublesome past we signed treaties with Egypt and other , at that time world powers, which we all know ended up in disaster and expulsion. Just last month we saw with Georgia that alliances and partnerships do not mean a damn thing , we as the nation of Israel have to learn to rely on the king of kings and not on anyone else.
5. Buchanan and Biden
A.C.Guard ,   USA   (09.01.08)
The conservatives who believe in an isolated America belong to the Pat Buchanan school of conservatism and it is a minority group. The largest wing of conservatism is the Christian right a solid supporter of Israel. Today on many internet sites is a story that says Israeli Army radio reports Joe Biden told Isael leaders they should just get used to a nuclear armed Iran. Is this true? I've seem nothing in Ynet about this possible blockbuster story.
6. everyone loves a winner ISRAELIS DOES NOT WANT TO WIN.....
SIMPLE TRUTH ,   ..............DACON9   (09.01.08)
DO NOT PERMIT THESE SO CALLED RABBIS GOING TO ROME FOR IDOL WORSHIPPERS SUPPORT OR TRAVELING THE WORLD FOR SO CALLED LOST JEWS introducing more foriegn worshippers ideas mixed with our HOLY TORAH AND EDUCATING THE JEWS INISRAEL STOP ALL THESE FAKE JEWS FROM ENTERING ISRAEL REMOVE ALL THE GANGSTERISM, HOMOSEXUALITY, CORRUPT GOVERMENTS & POLITICIANS... SLAVE TRAFFICING PROTITUTIONS LIBERALSIM... ALL THESE PERVERSIONS IN 60 YEARS, the other countries took thousands to get so perverse. remove fake russian 'jews' chinese 'jews' indian 'jews' STOP THE WHOOPEE DO SICK ORGANIZATIONS STOP PEACE NOW START ALL OVER **LAW ORDER AND TORAH** AND ONE MORE THING RE EDUCATE THE MANY MENTALLY SICK ''SO CALLED RABBIS'' RAISE THE STANDARDS TO BE A RABBI. REMOVE THE MOSQUES THE CHURCHES THE JEW4JE THE MISSIONARIES OR BETTER YET LET ISRAEL FALL MASHIACH WILL COME SOONER and individually we should all make repentence teshuvah. because only THE RIGHTOUS FEW WILL SURVIVE ANYWAY.. BRING IT ON OLMERT LIVNI BARAK PERES SHARON PERES BIBI BRING IT ON BRING THE END GIVE IT ALL AWAY AND YOUR LEGASY WILL BE IN YOUR EXCREMENT
7. Olmert = Face of Israel
Richard ,   Texas   (09.01.08)
Corruption of Olmert-Livni administration. Stupid decisions of Sharon whom the right trusted very much. Def Min. Peretz. Crooked presidents Katsav and Peres. With this hunta, what one will think. Add the expulsion of Jews and the loss in Lebanon.
8. And w/Israeli power vacuum, why should Left or Right support
shneerhere ,   USA   (09.01.08)
We argue among ourselves, our corruption grows, our deterrence weakens.... nobody likes a loser. Why SHOULD the Left OR Right support us if our support for oursleves is lukewarm at best? Olmert and previous weak leaders brought this on. Livni, Mofaz and Co. will finish it. Then you can all drop Exctasy and party & complain about the Israel that once was.
9. Are you surprised, Israel is disengaging from Israel.
Guy   (09.01.08)
10. BROTHER DACON9 YOU SAID IT !
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11. Dacon9
Ariel ,   Kfar Saba   (09.01.08)
Ranting about "fake Jews" and the current administration will not solve anything. A Jew is one born of a Jewish mother or who converts halachikly to Judaism. The Russian "Jews", Chinese "Jews", Indian "Jews" that you speak of are in fact real Jews if they fall into either category above. Can you trace your ancestry to Abraham through Isaac? Whose to say your not a "fake Jew"? A guy who rants about "LAW ORDER AND TORAH" would understand such a thing.
12. This is not surprising
Brod ,   USA   (09.01.08)
because the Democratic Party has been dominated and headed by Papists and AntiSemites. AntiSemitism was invented by the church of Popery and Papism. And with Obama running the show, this will become more apparent. It is like the reemergence of Chamberlain in dealing with the dark forces of Jihadism. This does not mean that Israel has to succumb to them. In fact, Israel should be resolute in defending and protecting every inch of its liberated GOD-given and restored biblical and historic homeland from the Islamist-Jihadist usurpers and crusaders.
13. Actually, this is not new
Marty ,   USA   (09.01.08)
There has always been a contingent of Isolationists that markets itself as being on the right. Ala Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul etc. True American conservatives are by and large supporters of the Jewish state.
14. The Arab money is replacing Jewish money in buying PR.
nero ,   nyc   (09.01.08)
Now the Arabs are paying for massive PR campaign. They are buying Professors on he right and the left, as well as politicians. Israel has little hope of maintaining its public relations advantage. The future for Israel and Jews in the USA is getting darker as the Arabs become richer and richer, and are able to buy political and social influence here.
15. Free at Last !! - Seconded
Ruvy ,   Ma'ale Levona, Israe   (09.01.08)
David is right on the money. We cannot afford to rely on foreign powers at all. We need to rely on ourselves alone, and the G-d we have a Covenant with. What happened in Georgia last month illustrates what happens to those who rely on America. So the "citizens of the world" and their ilk can take their ideas, their money and their hegemony, and get the hell out of here. We do not need them.
16. To #3. An Intelligent World Citizen.
Maansingh ,   The Netherlands   (09.01.08)
You say :” One that is fair to Israel and her neighbours in the Middle East “. The Kingdom of Jordan consists of 78% of the British Mandate -- Israel consists of ONLY 22% of the British Mandate. You say ‘fair to Israel’ -- that will mean that the Israeli part should increase to 50% of the British Mandate, and thus the Kingdom of Jordan should cede at least 35% of its territory to Israel. THAT would be fair, isn’t it ? What do you think now ? Seeing the injustice done to Israel, being an intelligent World Citizen, you must be standing up for the rights of Israel, don’t you think ?
17. The Israel government should work for peace
Rich ,   Toronto, Canada   (09.01.08)
for it's people. As long as Israel does not attack Iran, Iran won't attack them. What are Israelis getting from every conflict their "Mafia " leaders want to start up against the "goyim?" Why bother to pray for peace for Israel when their leaders want war and blood?"
18. is it a wonder?traitorous olmert is also disengaging
chaim ,   brooklyn ny   (09.02.08)
from all of israel, if this criminally insane traitorous,pathetic cowardly government has decided to commit national suicide,so why should the rest of the world support her, if someone has no self respect,you cannot expect someone else to respect you
19. Rich #17
Brod ,   USA   (09.02.08)
Are you from fantasyland? Where were you on 9/11? Where were you when Iran's past and current President threatened repeatedly to annihilate Israel? Don't preach to Israel. You should be giving your sermons to the Islamist-Jihadist world that is crusading its Jihadism on Israel and the rest of the world-Dar Al Harb.
20. Such A Poorly Reasoned Article
Seth ,   Washington, DC   (09.02.08)
Support for Israel in the U.S. is extraordinarily high - especially by conservatives. There are no significant negative trends by conservatives regarding their views of Israel. Period.
21. Right Abandons Israel???
Daniel Davenport ,   Yoncalla, Oregon   (09.02.08)
I think this guy is totally out of touch with reality. We shall not EVER abandon our Israel...Get a life Mr. and recheck your facts. "Tell a lie long enough and people will believe it" This is what the left hopes for...not happening
22. Brod I am the first in US to boycott israeli hummus
Yaakov Sullivan ,   NYC   (09.02.08)
23. Yearning for peace everywhere
susanna ,   northern calif   (09.02.08)
New rule: one can only state what one's OWN goal is, and not speak for another. After a while, commentators and bystanders begin to cast slurs at others' [imagined] motivations and each other. Who does not recognize hate and fear? I see so much of it here in the talkbacks --- what a sad joke for humanity to see advanced of civilizations unable to defuse conflict wherever it arises. Getting the upper hand, the best deal, the most land, the highest status = pathos of a most discouraging sort.
24. Totally illogical
Jared ,   New York, USA   (09.02.08)
The CATO Institute is a libertarian--not a conservative--think tank. How anyone can argue based on a book by a libertarian analyst affiliated with an organization and an ideology--libertarianism, not conservatism--that is essentially ideologically opposed to all foreign policy (libertarian Ron Paul's voting record on foreign affairs in Congress is instructive here) that conservatives are shying away from Israel is beyond me. Another ingenious interpretation of American politics by another Israeli "expert" who knows nothing about American politics or political movements.
25. world citzen
PW ,   Virginia USA   (09.02.08)
You just keep on mouthing your judeapathic notions as if they have some reason behind them. Israel stood alone in 1948 and 1967. The USA did not start sending military aid until the sneak attack of 1973. What you want is not peace but genocide and I will have none of it....Study some history and not polemics before opening that slit under your nose. Well put Mansing #16
26. to all israelis: when last did you say thank you to the
moira ,   israel   (09.02.08)
peole of america?! as an israeli i say it in many forums but i think i am the only one. people in israel love the american people but forget to say thank you.
27. The isolationist strain in US policy is not new
Zvi   (09.02.08)
It's not healthy for Israel, and it is INTENSELY unhealthy for the US and the rest of the world, but it is not new. Also, the obsession with oil is not new, and the tendency to mislabel subservience to Arab interests as "prudence" is not at all new. But it's worth watching for any resurgence in these themes, because they are supremely dangerous for the USA and because they are dangerous for Israel.
28. #25 Living In Virginia USA NOT Israel
World Citizen ,   the world   (09.02.08)
It is easy for you to talk the talk of a big tough politician or arm-chair general. You would solve Israels problems if they would just let you control the armies of the world. I am sorry but this is not a video game. We are talking about starting WW3 and the end of all civilization. Do you really think that Israel can survive a nuclear war? One Russian submarine could make Israel uninhabitable for 10,000 years. The United States has managed to live along side of nuclear armed Russia and China for 60 years. Israel has 200-400 nuclear weapons. Iran doesn't have one! They may get one in the next five to ten years but so what. They are not going to challenge Israel to a nuclear duel. Quit pretending that if they get one it is the end of the world for Israel. It's not. It's the beginning of diplomatic solutions to problems between Israel and the rest of of the Middle East.
29. world citzen
PW ,   Virginia USA   (09.02.08)
Still with the polemics ...The soviet union never once threatened the USA with destruction. Of course they co-exisited, they worked together to prevent nuclear war during the cold war. You really can jump topics to make extraordinary statements...If you think that Russia will start a war with the west you are mistaken...And www 3 between the arabs or Persia with Israel and anybody else is laughable. It takes an economy to fight a world war...There has not been any evidence of diplomatic progress with the Muslim world since Jorden, and they were wanting a diplomatic solution since 1948....But I guess that wherever you live is not being threatened, so talk is easy...
30. #27
PW ,   Virginia USA   (09.02.08)
Well put Zvi...Barak Obama stated in his address that he will marshall the power of the federal gov't to have the USA become energy independent in 10 years...That step would relieve much of the pressure that you are talking about...Oil will no longer be able to be used as a weapon if that is done and it can be done.
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