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Gaza evacuees: Government throwing sand in settlers' eyes
Shmulik Hadad
Published: 07.09.08, 07:24
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1. Govt lies
DT ,   TA Isr   (09.07.08)
One thing you can be sure of that this Govt is lying through it's teeth and it will treat you even worse than the Gush K people and that was inhumane.
2. Steal from Gush Katif Jews, now steal from Judea and Smaria
Bunnie Meyer ,   Los Angeles, CA USA   (09.07.08)
Jews. And,this government from Gehennom wants to give away the Golan and Jerusalem. Thanks to the Orthodox birthrate this will be impossible in a few years.
3. government liars
moriah ,   sacramento,usa   (09.07.08)
The Israeli government is busy making new promises when they never fulfilled the promises they made to the Jews they threw out of Gaza. According to the promises made to them they should have been reimbursed for their homes and businesses, pain and suffering Nothing could be further from the truth. They are fast and loose with their promises but slow in the fullfillment department. Hold fast and do not be fooled! Look to your brother and sisters of Gush Katif if you want to see where you will be in the future : Homeless and financially destitute. STAY PUT!
4. The current gov't is dedicated to dismantling the nation
Laura ,   Israel   (09.07.08)
Why else would they dive headlong into "negotiations" that goes against all security assessments and will bring much more terror, death and destruction to Israeli citizens? Why else would they willing give arms to the enemy? Why else would they fail to pursue a policy of deterrence? Why else would they willingly disrupt status quo quiet on the Syrian border for yet more "negotiations" that will endanger the state? Why else would they cause the displacemen of its own citizens to their detriment and to the detriment of our national interests? These nefarious deeds, once carried out, cannot be undone - not at the cost of even more blood and treasure. This government must be stopped.
5. Drag them out from thier hair if you have to
Ari ,   Israel   (09.07.08)
This is BS, how long does the state have to put up with this. Israel started the settlement movment for security reasons only. now this plan has backfired and we can seem to get rid of 4 mil Palestinians that live there. do these settlers have a solution for what we should do with the palestinians? they dont? they want the state of israel to wave a magic wand and make them all simply disappear. the settlement movement is now a clear liability to the state, take out the IDF and let them live on the hill tops alone, lets see how long they last.
6. What can you expect from a gov't that's FULL OF
Miriam ,   Israel   (09.07.08)
corrupt ministers from Head to Toe???? They're so corrupt and immoral that they can't even think straight and logical.
7. Gaza Evacuees & Chaim Ramon
oskar prager ,   Petach Tikva   (09.07.08)
Secret documents circulating in the "kitchen"cabinet of Kadima, states that after the Pull-out of ALL settlers from over the green line, residents in Tel-Aviv, Ranana, Petach Tikva, Rishon le Zion, will all be offered compensation for leaving their homes to evacuate to Turkey or Cyprus. The compen- sation offered will not suffice to purchase equal type of residence in the rest of Israel, but will suffice to buy in Turkey and/or Cyprus. Both countries have agreed to take in such refugees but they must conform to local laws. Palestinians would not be accepted as refugees.
8. Holocaust survivors come FIRST
Talula ,   Israel   (09.07.08)
for any money the government is flashing now. They have waited so long and they need the money more than a bunch of demented law breakers.
9. gush katif
isiaiah   (09.07.08)
ithe jews should have never left gush katif for the right of all jews is to eretz yisroel and arab and other islamists to saudi arabia iraq iran and north africa with more more than enough land oil and water .With iran demanding nuclear weapons denying the holocaust and praying to mecca for jewish israels dissolution and theft of jerusalem peace will never arrive . most palestinians are extreme shia or pro bin laden .expel them .
10. #5 Amen to that!
Talula ,   Israel   (09.07.08)
11. Disgrace
Michael ,   Haifa   (09.07.08)
The true disgrace is that trillions of our sheqels were ever invested in illegal settlement and now the additional Chelem scene is that we shall now pat billions more tp divest ouyselves from our ininitial stupidity
12.  5. Drag them out from thier hair if you have to
DR ,   hebron   (09.07.08)
Like to see you try it, big talker.
13. #12 - that's what 8,000 people in Gush Katif said
Talula ,   Israel   (09.07.08)
But the army didn't even have to try, the entire place was evacuated within hours. Apart from a few hanger ons. And even they were removed. So, who's the big talker now then, huh?
14. talk
DR ,   Hebron   (09.07.08)
The evac of Gaza succeeded because the people being evaced didn't want to shed the blood of our soldiers who were "only following orders" in dismanteling the Holy land of Israel. As time goes by the "only following orders" mantra will no longer protect them. At that point the settlers will no longer allow themselves to be evaced alive...they might be dragged out by their hair, but only after they have been shot down by the IDF and Police.
15. Failed Kadima,Labor Agenda
Marcel ,   Florida   (09.07.08)
How can a failed Kadima party continue to rule in Israel after all the damage they have done to the state ? Are the people now disarmed and again sitting in concentrations camps as the kapos ethnically cleanse Jews from their land for herr Bush and his Palestinians terrorist state on stolen Jewish land ?
16. #14 You know what? Blah! Blah!
Talula ,   Israel   (09.07.08)
The hangers on in Gush Katif were very willing to hurt soldiers - so don't go putting yourself on that high moral ground again. Did you forget the scenes in the Bet Knesset? the oil, the chemicals? I didn't. But still, our boys overcame it, and STILL the mental ones were removed by nightfall. Obviously you are unable to assimilate actual concepts into your blighted and retarded views.
17. 2005-2008 That's 3+ years
Israel   (09.07.08)
Don't tell me none of them have been able to find jobs for THREE YEARS?? - they just don't want to.
18. Drag them by their hair
YMBMY ,   Modiin, Israel   (09.07.08)
#5 Ari and #10 Tallula before you recommed that to others, why don't you go have it done to yourselves first. It is such a shame that you dump on these people who protected you while they served in the IDF (who knows if you did?) and settled in historically Jewish lands at the behest of the government. If you are so keen at having Arab terrorists within striking distance of your home, trying moving to any of the Arab countries around you. Oh wait, you can't because you are Jewish and they won't let you buy land. But that doesn't seem to bother you as much as the "Jewish settlers" does it?
19. Blah blah...or are you saying BAA BAA
DR ,   Hebron   (09.07.08)
Listen little sheep to a story. There once was a place called Kent State, and armed soldiers thought they could remove people, but somehow live rounds found their way into their rifles and somehow an office told them to open fire and, like good soldiers everywhere, "they were only following orders" and they shot down their own people. Is this really what you want little sheep? To shoot down the only thing standing between you and the wolves?
20. No place for sentiment here, it’s money
observer   (09.07.08)
An Israeli advocacy group has found that 39 percent of the land used by Jewish settlements in the West Bank is private Palestinian property, which the organization contends is a violation of international and Israeli law guaranteeing property rights in the occupied territories. The Settlement Watch project of Peace Now also disclosed that much of the land that Israeli officials have said would remain part of the Jewish state under any final peace agreement is private Palestinian property. That includes some of the large settlement blocs inside the barrier that Israel is building to separate Israelis from the Palestinian population in the West Bank. The report states that 86 percent of Maale Adumim on Jerusalem's eastern edge sits on private Palestinian land. A little more than 35 percent of the settlement of Ariel, which cuts deep into the northern West Bank, is also on private property. Israel's government has long maintained that the settlements, developed in large part with public money, sit on untitled property known as "state land" or on property of unclear legal status. Israeli courts have ruled that unauthorized outposts erected on private Palestinian property must be razed, although those orders are rarely carried out. How can the occupier use its legal system to impose legality on ownership of disputed land (by the occupier’s admission), let alone occupied territory? The settlement enterprise has, since its inception, ignored Israeli law and undermined not only the collective property rights of the Palestinians as a people, but also the private property rights of individual Palestinian landowners. The settlements occupy a total of 15,271 acres of private Palestinian land. The Israeli government did not annex the West Bank after the 1967 war -- keeping the Palestinian population there from voting in the Jewish state -- and soon began sponsoring settlement construction in the territories. International law has been widely interpreted to prohibit civilian settlement or construction on land occupied during war. The West Bank has been under Ottoman, British, Jordanian and Israeli control over the past century, leaving a highly complicated land registry and murky title in many cases. The private property in the West Bank is the land registered by Palestinians before 1968, when Israel stopped the process, and cultivated land that Israel recognizes as private under Ottoman law. Even the annexation of East Jerusalem by Israel is not recognized internationally. 54 percent is so-called state land while nearly 6 percent is designated "survey land," meaning its legal status is unclear. Israel most commonly seizes private land citing "military purposes." That designation leaves the land in the name of its Palestinian owners but gives control to the Israeli army for a period that can be extended indefinitely. In other cases, Palestinians are offered compensation by the Israeli government, something they usually refuse in protest. The data — maps that show the government’s registry of the land by category — was given to Peace Now by someone who obtained it from an official inside the Civil Administration. 15,000 acres or 39 percent of the developed area of the settlement is privately owned by the Palestinians; see the map at: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/21/world/middleeast/21land.html?_r=1&oref=slogin redemption of lands in east Jerusalem, Buying up land in the West Bank is easier and cheaper, what is that type of investment?
21. Blah Blah revisited
DR ,   Hebron   (09.07.08)
I think that, in order to prove something to the Left, we should withdraw to the pre 1948 borders, live within the confines of the original State of Israel as set down by the UN. I would also then add that the only people suitable to defend this new state would be members of the Left who can prove, beyond a doubt, that they have always supported a Palestinian state. This would be the only way of uniting the Jewish people in the land of Israel, and, by the way, it would soon rid the country of leftists.
22. the ideological, ultra-nationalist settlers
observer   (09.07.08)
more than 20 Jewish settlers had run riot through the Palestinian village of Burin in the West Bank, as they protested at the dismantling by Israeli security forces of a bus being used illegally by them as a mobile home. The closest Jewish settlement to the village is the notably hardline Yitzhar, where a settler was arrested July 2008 for allegedly trying to launch a homemade rocket, also at Burin. These settlers are a tiny minority but they maintain a stranglehold over the Israeli political system. They represent the unacceptable face of Zionism. Zionism does not equal racism, but many of these hard-line settlers and their leaders are blatant racists. Their extremism and their excesses have led some people to start questioning not just the Zionist colonial project beyond the 1967 borders but also the legitimacy of the state of Israel within those borders. And it is these settlers who also endanger the safety and well-being of Jews everywhere.
23. Talula
Ezra ,   Canada   (09.08.08)
As an outsider and an amateur in israeli politics, I am quite upset by the level of hate you have for your fellow Jew. You make me understand the "peace camp" is not that peaceful.
24. #9 in which planet you are living to say:
observer   (09.08.08)
most palestinians are extreme shia or pro bin laden. Jews have right to live in Saudia Arabia & Iraq than to live in Gush Katif. learn history.
25. #23
Talula ,   Israel   (09.10.08)
Firstly you don't have a clue what you are prattling on about - better stay out of what you don't understand. Secondly, as a mother of two combat soldiers, I have a right to scream and shout at anyone, ANYONE AT ALL who threatens my boys. I have no boundaries, they are my children - and any mother with combat soldiers would feel the same. So keep quiet and don't preach to me about hating fellow Jews when those very 'Jews' were throwing acid on soldiers in Gush Katif you blind stupid Moron.
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