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Rabbi Aviner against Rosh Hashana visits to Uman
Kobi Nahshoni
Published: 08.09.08, 08:53
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1. Let them go on a one way ticket !
Lea ,   Ramat HaSharon   (09.08.08)
let them go and stay there, the idol worshipers !
2. its about time someone came out against this ridiculous trip
(09.08.08)
it is idle worship!
3. UMAN
nossentzvi ,   J-M   (09.08.08)
I have been waiting a long time for a leading rabbi to express these opinions publicly.
4. Where do they get the money
Israeli taxpayer ,   Israel   (09.08.08)
Where do these Haredim get the money for this pagan idol worship? They don't work and live off the dole. In other words I am paying for this. The haredim should look at what happened to the French clergy during the revolution and wake up before they see how people react when they are tired of parasites living off them.
5. #1&2 completely right
Moi   (09.08.08)
It is idol worship. At least some people agree.
6. I don't want to pay for them anymore
Chachi Steinberg ,   Jerusalem   (09.08.08)
7. Don't make fun of R. Nachman - You will regret it.
Paul Phristus ,   Rome Italy   (09.08.08)
You may argue about Rosh Hashanas timing - BUT don't meddle with the concept of going to the righteous for their prayers, especially R. Nachman - The only reason modern Israel exists is because of the prayers poured out on the graves of the righteous.
8. We were already acquitted from hell by Abraham
(09.08.08)
… and Isaac our forefather…and moreover, our forefather Abraham sits at the entrance of hell and does not allow a circumcised person to enter…we don’t need to look for new schemes in order to be saved from hell. Oh yeah, where does he get this from??
9. #5 vous! where is your sense of humour!
#2   (09.08.08)
I know it is idol worship but you know we are talking about freeloaders here so it is also and mostly idle worship! :)
10. A Tzadik is Yisrael
P, Almoni   (09.08.08)
Rebbi Nachman's teachings are designed to be a key to many gates of the Torah that were hidden or difficult to access before, for example how the truth sanctifies sorrow: What's more sorrowful than exile of Israel from before the presence of HaShem? What's more joyful than a home at peace with Shechinat HaShem in Israel? What greater Tzedeka on Yom Zikaron than unification of the Children of Israel?
11. What's that? Is that the sound of common sense I hear?
5th generation ,   Israel   (09.08.08)
12. Uman
(09.08.08)
I think that it's a terrible thing to give so much money to all those anti-semitic Ukranians.
13. Go visit elvis`s grave as well !
Avi ,   Ramat Gan   (09.08.08)
14. Idol worship
Rina   (09.08.08)
It sounds like idol worship. Also sounds like the crazed fans of any rock star. I guess seeing the graffiti on the walls near intersections is just a matter of time.
15. Can someone explain
Miriam ,   Israel   (09.08.08)
why Rabbi Aviner would find it a moral and halachic problem to leave a wife and children on Rosh Hashanah? What about those going to the their Rebbes and Roshei Yeshiva on Rosh Hashanah? Baruch Hashem R' Nachman zt"l, grandson of the Holy Baal Shem Tov zt"l, merits to see more and more Jews and more and more baalei tshuva at his gravesite and he wants to abolish that? May all not-yet-religious Israeli Jews join the yearly pilgrimage to prostrate on the holy grave of Rebbi Nachman M'Uman zt"l. Perhaps there’ll be less rivalry between the seculars and the religious.
16. #15 Miriam let me explain
Avi ,   Ramat Gan   (09.08.08)
you wrote" May all not-yet-religious Israeli Jews join the yearly pilgrimage to prostrate on the holy grave of Rebbi Nachman M'Uman zt"l. Perhaps there’ll be less rivalry between the seculars and the religious" Let me rephrase that for you, "all not yet secular jews, should stop waisting tax payers money, stop worshiping idols ,get a job and serve their country"
17. I could never explain this as "Jewish practice"
Raymond in DC ,   Washington, DC USA   (09.08.08)
I have a friend and former colleague who, starting from our joint support for Israel, developed a fascination with Jewish history and thought. (He especially likes Robert Alter's commentaries and Telushkin's "Jewish Literacy".) He has never met Jews like these worshipers of the dead, and maybe it's better he doesn't know about them. Why they don't move his bones to Israel is beyond me. There's nothing holy about Uman, and no reason to pump money into Ukraine's economy. And we get to keep this madness "in house".
18. Is praying at the kever of Rashbi permitted?
Miriam ,   Israel   (09.08.08)
19. #15 Earth to Miriam
Arielush ,   Ramat Ha Golan   (09.08.08)
Earth to Miriam. I think we are taking a a page from the Catholics turning this grave to a shrine. It has never been a Jewish practice to turn a grave into a shrines. Rather the Chasidim should follow the example of Moses and return the bones to the holy land. Anyway, isn't it abhorent the idea of Jews giving money to all those anti_ Semites.
20. Don't stop coming to the tomb
Ukraine Merchant ,   Near the tomb of the   (09.08.08)
Poeples of Ukraine need the mony pilgrim spend. I myself, a poor peddler of religious trinkets and idals, am getting wealthy off of your religious visitors. Who cares if they earn the money or get it from your government? Who are the taxpayers of Israel to condemn these rightious pilgrims?
21. Erev rav RoShA "Religious-Zionist leader "?
Kerwood Derby ,   Frostbite Falls, MN   (09.08.08)
Leaders of Zionism do not condemn soldiers for refusing evil edicts to destroy the homes of 10000 Jews, their 22 Torah learning centers... Leaders of Zionism do not support those like Naveh who implemented the evil edict. An evil edict that was the unilateral policy of Mitzna and voted against by 77% of the public with the election of Likud and Sharon. Sharon disavowed his party's platform that he ran on, and referendum against the evil edict he swore to uphold and then unilaterally nullified the voice of the electorate. The party left him in charge and Sharon ordered the evil edict to be enforced and RoShA supported them, and even choked those who blocked the implementers of the evil edict from their illegal act. RoShA is sanctioned against giving halachic rulings on marital matters and is the subject of other acts against minors that are uncharacteristic of good people not-to-mention leaders. If one wants to pray to Aveinu Malkeinu at a grave, why condemn it? But RoShA should be condemened for praying and then aiding those who destroy the lives of those who love the land. RoShA's support by Arutz Sheva staff and seemingly that of R' Zalman Melamed notwithstanding.
22. # 15 Miriam,I can explain
Sagi ,   Israel   (09.08.08)
Judging from what you said here and in other tbs you are in urgent need to at least try to exorcise the demons harbored within your tormented soul. Failing that I would strongly recommend Euthanasia.
23. "Abraham sits at the entrance of hell and does not allow...
David ,   Los Angeles   (09.09.08)
R' Aviner states: "our forefather Abraham sits at the entrance of hell and does not allow a circumcised person to enter" This is no less nutty than a trip to Uman.
24. Reason why hassidim go to Uman away from wives is...
Kiril Holodenko ,   Kiev, Ukraine   (09.09.08)
...that ukrainian prostitutes from all over the country gather there to greet them. Think I am lying? Whole of Ukraine is talking about it. These pilgriims got themselves quite a reputation. Of course, money are good for the government & tourism industry...
25. Go on make fun - But whats sure is you all will feed worms
Koonish Prool ,   Istanbul Turkey   (09.09.08)
So don't knock those looking for another exit .....
26. You hate and ignorance is shocking
Elchonon ,   Chevron   (09.09.08)
#1 that you automatically assume that since one dresses in hassidic garb he does not have a job nor pay taxes.. idiots and ignorants! My father dresses in hassidic garb and is a pharmacist.. my mother has a BA in psychology. #2 "rabbi" aviner can find so much negative about everything else.. go examine your own garbage. When the spies came to israel, yehoshua (joshua) came to hebron to prostate himself by the graves of our forefathers. Quit with the hate you losers.
27. Elchonon ,
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (09.09.08)
Yes , there are working charidim . But the two poorest towns in Israel are those where non working charidim live , and don't contribute ANYTHING to the country they are "milking" . Joshua came to Hevron , in Israel , not ukraine
28. #26 Elchonon
David ,   USA   (09.09.08)
Greetings my brother, Would you be so kind as to give me the cite in the Tanach where Yehoshua prostrated himself at the graves of the forefathers in Chevron? I am not so good at finding these things. I guess I don't have sufficient patience. Thank you brother. David
29. you know aviner is one of them mizrahi types
Briztleber Weehoveb ,   copenhagen denmark   (09.10.08)
who permit erev rav lust as long as you keep the make believ of the medina shel gehenom. stop the hypocrisy and focus on the truth. god may have created the devil but you can and must fight it !!!!
30. #12 - Bravo
Dorothy Friend ,   Tel Aviv   (09.10.08)
The Ukrainians were making pogroms for generations before the Holocaust.
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