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West’s decline threatens us
Eitan Haber
Published: 19.09.08, 00:45
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31. I'm so sick of people like you
USA   (09.19.08)
You cry about a dangerous world and then when someone is finally bold enough to take on that danger, you insult and say history will be unkind. What would you prefer, a conflict like Israel fights that goes on decade after decade getting nowhere? You just want a magic pill. You don't want to have to do the work (like our American troops and their commander-in-chief have been doing). I want to say Goodbye, "dear world," you're on your own, you ungrateful losers. You couldn't get yourselves out of jam if you're life (seriously) depended on it. Once that is done, if you hate us that much? Try us. You have no idea how powerful we can be when we're not trying to "win hearts and minds."
32. 20 Steven Wilson: The "USA Today" email newspaper of the
Rivkah   (09.19.08)
newstand paper said the US government will cover the mutual fund markets that are in jeopardy, too.
33. To Abramoff #8. Applying Self-Criticism.
Maansingh ,   The Netherlands   (09.19.08)
You say :” .. its racism, its vileness, its duplicity, its endless claims of being victimized ..” That’s a perfect description of the Arabs. You are quite on spot, Abram off -- not off the mark. I am happy to see that finally the Arabs are applying self-criticism -- it will do you guys immense good.
34. Almighty God says in the Holy Quran:
Palestinian   (09.20.08)
3:140 If a wound hath touched you, be sure a similar wound hath touched the others. Such days (of varying fortunes) We give to men and men by turns: that Allah may know those that believe, and that He may take to Himself from your ranks Martyr-witnesses (to Truth). And Allah loveth not those that do wrong.
35. What a load of crap, God is the rise and fall of all men...
Danny ,   America   (09.20.08)
whom do we need to fear? only God and he is reeling in the Islamist and Russians like fish on a hook! Kill me? go ahead. Cause me to live in terror, nah. The bird will bring me food. My God reigns, what can man do to me? We may lose the battle , but will win the war. This war started in Heaven.
36. Ted 26
media critic ,   USA   (09.20.08)
You sound like a used car salesman (one time offer now or never) except in your case it is then or never. This is called Patronizing Hypocrisy.
37. usa #31
mira ,   israel   (09.20.08)
yes you are right! those lefty liberals are destroying the western world. nothing is good enaugh for them. bunch of idiots.
38. To Ali 24. You Have Undermined Your Own TBs.
Maansingh ,   The Netherlands   (09.20.08)
You say :”.. my comments (are) rambling(s), ..” By characterizing your own TB as ramblings you have undermined your own TBs. This indicates that what you are saying in your TBs -- you yourself don’t believe it. CONCLUSION : IF you don’t believe your own words -- why should we believe your words.
39. To Ted #25. NOT Real Religion.
Maansingh ,   The Netherlands   (09.20.08)
You say :”The real problem is religious.” Ted, real religion means to train one to see the equality of mankind. THAT is real religion. NOW, when politicians hijack religion and use it for political gains, for ulterior motives -- that is when religion becomes obnoxious. WHEN one politicise a religion -- that is when religion becomes obnoxious ; as in the case of Islam. SO Ted, the problem is NOT real religion. The misuse of religion -- that is the real problem.
40. To John #28. World Will NOT End.
Maansingh ,   The Netherlands   (09.20.08)
You say :” As USA TODAY said last week, party is almost over. “ Well John, it is NOT “almost over” -- the party IS over. We had a great party going on for the last 12 years. NOW we are facing the hangover of that party. Mortgage lenders would very easily (without much background checking, whether you are able to pay the monthly instalments or not) lend you the money. SO, this great party is now over. The time of easy money is now over. Someone said it was the cowboy-capitalism of Alan Greenspan -- i.e., he worked to under-regulate the mortgage lenders and investment banks. As soon as the financial sector got its freedom -- greed reared its head. CONCLUSION : The lesson Alan Greenspan and others should learn is that people manifest their inherint lower quality (like greed) when they are not regulated. EACH one of us, we have our higher qualities (like empathy, honesty, humility) and lower qualities (like greed, anger, envy). Sometime a sector (like the building sector, financial sector, a.o.) is asked to regulate themselves -- so, be rest assured that personal greed will prevail ; even at the cost of their own company ; even at the cost of destroying their own company, like we have seen with Lehman Brothers. SO John, the world will NOT end -- it existed for millions of years, and it will continue to exist for millions of years.
41. Decline
Marilyn ,   USA   (09.20.08)
I can't say this is unexpected. We have prophecy and then we also have a self image problem. We've always been a struggling and at times a suffering nation. When someone labeled us as a superpower, it filled the leaders heads with ideas of grandeur and they start coming up with wild ideas.
42. to 16
sarah ,   jerusalem   (09.20.08)
to offened without fear it is the base of believe .. in the start of islam muhammad was ofended the worshpping of idols but it was secret becouse he had little supporters little power . but after that when he had supporters more power he did it loudly without fear // do you think western had little power or little supporters .. i think they have less believe than the real moslemes . they do not know about islam only the fear of islam
43. Sarah, America knows all about islam, our Bible tells us so.
DANNY ,   America   (09.20.08)
44. nn
(09.20.08)
it may not be declining so much as its constituent parts transferring into part of the "global village". indeed, the twin towers period and its precessors are examinable as a reaction by military/economic structures to the loss of their roots soil.
45. danny 43
sarah ,   jerusalem   (09.20.08)
no .danny america do not know about islam and i think also msny moslemes that believe on this religion know little about islam .. just only believe on god but god say about humans that they have many conversation about god .but it is imposible to know so it is enough to believe and if you are moslem and read the quran in arabic you will know how it is impossible to know something you do not believe in
46. Fear No Evil!
Dr. Leroy Brown ,   Harelm, USA   (09.21.08)
King David said it best "I fear no evil for You (G-d) are with me." This has been the mantra of the Jews from time immortal. For those of you who do not know or understand the legacy of the Jews throughout history there is fear and uncertainty. However, history has clearly proven that a small band of Jews scattered and defenseless around the world has flourished and has taken on mighty empires without an army, weapons, or a country of their own. How did this happen? Only a complete idiot would say luck. The G-d of Israel has provided us with help throughout the ages. We depend on Him and Him alone. The Bible says that when the Messiah appears the mighty west and the other corrupt nations will collapse and the era of peace and G-d will reign. So you have predicted well my friend. I want an end to the world as it is. Bring on the Messiah Now!!!!
47. west's declined threatens us
Mary Jean Rogers ,   Burnaby Canada   (09.21.08)
quite insightful - the Christian right in america will always support israel - barack obama has no moral compass - I wish the jews in america would wake up
48. West's decline threatens us all
Harris Pohl ,   Chilliwack - Canada   (09.21.08)
"Jews are doing well these days: The world is in turmoil, the gentiles are fighting each other, and we are living quite well in our small corner of the world. The security situation has improved, the diplomatic situation remains untouched, and we even had a choice between Tzipi, Shaul, Avi, and Meir. How lovely. " How can Israel be doing well? Where? Are you blind? Do you believe your own propaganda? Doing well means living in peace with your neighbours and within the Israely society and this is not the reality. The role of Israel provoking Russia, reminds me of the role of Israel within the "mano blanca" in Central and South America and the role of Israel in South Africa. Who are you kidding?
49. A strong Israel is a vital asset to the free world and ...
Robert Bernier ,   Tel Aviv   (09.21.08)
A strong Israel is a vital asset to the free world and America. The Israelis were put on a ‘short leash’ by Washington and the "Shadow Government" who sets policy. Yes, Israel was given special grants for F-16s and the like but, then they were told couldn’t really attack the Terrorists who were safely hidden, using the general populace as their "human shields". Each time the Terrorists attacked, Israel was warned to "restrain herself". In order to understand what realy happens : http://xrl.us/bj5qh
50. Sarah I read your book Prayed and ask God to guide me...
DANNY ,   America   (09.21.08)
He told me (yes I hear God's voice and Know him) to run for my life cause this book is not of Him. He told me that His Word is the Bible and it is not corrupt miss quoted or changed by man like so many fools believe. Bible reading Christians in America know very clearly what the Koran is about, that comes to about 80% of Americans. We know because the God of the Bible has promised to not leave us a orphans and promised to reveal himself to us. We are His sheep and we hear his voice and follow him. When the robber comes in to steal we know he is a robber because we already know the true sheepherder, so we run away. Just like God told me to do when reading the Koran. I hope this helps you understand how wrong you are about America and what they know about Islam. I choose Knowing God and meeting him face to face over some guy who says what God has shown me is unreal like your so called prophet does, sorry I just can't be fooled. because my faith is an anchor into eternity here and now.
51. to 50 danny
sarah ,   jerusalem   (09.21.08)
i believe on what i know .but i suspect that the one can know on what he do not believe .. simply i believe in islam i know well of it .and true i know well of islam so i believe on it .. iam only say about my believe which you see it the wrong .. sure i believe of jessus and moses and ibraham and his sones and grand sons .. i know more than you think about all religions and i know that you do not believe on islam so you do not know what it is
52. Sarah, you say you know Jesus, but..
Danny ,   America   (09.21.08)
You only know of him. Your faith does not accept Jesus as God! Just a Prophet, which He was so much more... God pitched a tent in Human Flesh, thus he called himself the Son of God. Your Prophet denies this and you all call us polytheist. You all deny the acts of the One True God and lower him to less than He is, which is God Himself. What God says is that: only those chosen beforehand by Him receive Him . Just as Ishmael was rejected because of God's election, so too are all other prophets who say Jesus was not God in the flesh. I don’t believe what your prophet says because God tells me what is true, cause he has shown himself to me, scars and all. You just don’t hear what I am saying, and I am OK with that, but I feel so bad for you. Have you ever read the whole Bible? How can you make statements of fact about the Bible when you are just repeating what someone else told you it’s like or what it says? Your teachers even distort the history of the Jews and God’s interaction with them to justify their prophet. They were the only nation on earth to have the Living God living in their mists, until Christ opened they way for the rest of us. Your namesake Sarah tells the story of God’s election and choice in the first book of Moses. Haven’t you every read it? God does not accept works as the road to life everlasting, but faith in what he has done. He has rested from His works as we do also and rest in His Works, which stand forever. That God says your prophet does not know Him…the proof? Rejecting Jesus as God in the flesh. It’s in the Bible! Send me your email?
53. Mr. Haber, with friends like Bush....
Steve ,   Fla.   (09.21.08)
Mr. Eitan Haber wrote: "The people, and mostly the leader of the Western and Free World...deserves much praise for his vigorous support for Israel ...." A Muslim terror state in Israel's heartland -- one dedicated to Israel's annihilation -- is George W. Bush's vision / nightmare. This is a friend?
54. RE:#45 who told you that lie? or did you figure it out...
(09.22.08)
by yourself? lol
55. 52 Danny: The bible also says that religious
Rivkah   (09.23.08)
unbelievers are children of the devil. So what you say is scary. A lot of churches reject the deity of Yeshua Messiah's DNA from his Father and they also reject salvation by grace, teaching a works salvation. Works show true faith because faith without works is dead, being alone. But most leaders are phony Christians who play or act a social game they do not live.
56. To Sarah #45. Those Classical Words.
Maansingh ,   The Netherlands   (09.23.08)
You say :”.. read the Quran in Arabic you will know how it is impossible to know ..”. Sarah, the Quran is written in classical-Arabic, which is very DIFFICULT to understand -- even for highly learned scholars. Those classical words have different meanings -- so, there is BIG disagreement between the Quran scholars. The disagreement between them is so HUGE -- that they kill each other, like what we are seeing in Iraq, in Pakistan, in almost all the Muslim countries. THE majority of Muslims killed in the world is at the hands of other Muslims. CONCLUSION : IT is because of this disagreement, it is because of NOT understanding the Quran properly -- that they ARE killing each other. IN the fighting between them we, the infidels, also get killed. BTW Islam is supposed to be the religion of peace, but what we see is the religion of HATRED. BTW if things are NOT clear, clerics will force you to accept, clerics will push it down your throat. IN other words, you have to accept it without questioning it -- THAT is Islam. It is a pity that Islam has gone that LOW.
57. #Oppps! Sorry Japeth!
Barry ,   Washington DC   (09.26.08)
58. 15 is right - why be western ? Go where progress is
daniel ,   Sydney   (09.28.08)
The Jewish people must seek allies in places where the progress and power are concentrated, at any one time in hostory. We've been doing it for ages. Despite friendly words, the west has made it clear that its own interests are not identical to the interests of Israel. Fair enough. So why should Israel be tied to western interests ? But Jewish instincts still tell us our place is with the west. When China will make make better arms than the US, when there will be more democracy in Mumbay than in New York, when more creative freedom will emerge from Osaka than from Silicon Valley, then we will know to switch sides. But those times are not here yet. Let's keep things in perspective.
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