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Obama better for Israel
Guy Ziv
Published: 03.11.08, 09:50
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31. Prof. Ziv is spot on! McCain is more of the same
(11.03.08)
32. Not this crap again! Come on! Google Obama and
BJL ,   US   (11.03.08)
Khalidi Obama is in the tank for the PA and there is a tape of him being hidden by the LA Times of Obama praising the PLO spokesman who said that Israel is engaging in genocide!
33. Doed Guy Ziv not know facts or does he wish to mislead?
redmike ,   Tel Aviv   (11.03.08)
For whatever reason, Guy Ziv doesn't mention that NBC reported just a few weeks ago that Mouha Husaini who is the Obama campaign's Muslim outreach coordinator, met last month with her predecessor Mazen Asbahi who was forced to resign this summer because of his connections with radical Islam. They met in area known as the "Wahhabi Corridor" which is in one of Washington's Northern Virginia suburbs and what is perhaps even more disturbing was the presence of two prominent Muslim Brotherhood operatives, Mahdi Bray of the Muslim American Society (MAS) and Nihad Awad of the Council of American Islamic Relations (CAIR). The NBC is on record as saying that others at the meeting expressed concern that the Obama campaign was reaching out to such "politically radioactive" individuals as Bray and Awad and the episode is perhaps yet another indication that the Democratic candidate hopes to win the White House aided in part by the Islamic vote and its money. the article continues at http://jihadconnection.notlong.com/ Mike
34. Insane to think that....
Eytan   (11.03.08)
Wow, I almost lost hope before I saw the talkbacks. I have reviewed over and over the two canidates. Obama is far from a president of the free world. His Hypocricy has no limit. How hey infected the minds of so many will be studied. Not only is he horrible for US econ he will also be just as bad for Israel. Get the facts not the text msg. The Israeli left is looked at by ones here as pathitic wannabies. Wake up
35. #32 YOU CANNOT VERIFY YOUR FACTS!!
STFU already! ,   USA   (11.03.08)
If the LA Times "wouldn't release the tapes," then how dare you assert that you know the contents of them or in what context these alleged statements were made? Only a lazy scholar believes everything he or she "googles." Your comments truly can only appeal to the gullible who are inclined to believe that hearsay and rumors substitute for corroborated evidence.
36. Peoples' comments here remind me of the Salem Witch Trials
USA   (11.03.08)
Please do NOT fall into the easy trap of believing rumors and gossip!
37. Give Obama...and Peace a chance
Mohammed Hafez ,   California, US   (11.03.08)
I agree with Dr. Ziv. Israel's long-term security depends on peace with Palestinians and a rational diplomatic strategy toward Iran. Dr. Ziv did not address Iran. The election of Mr. Obama, I believe, will encourage Iranians to get rid of Ahmadinajad and bring about a more pragmatic president. If this happens, a deal to end Iran's nuclear program could come to fruition. Mr. McCain will encourage Iranians to stick with the hardliners, which is bad for the US and Israel.
38. I Think For Myself and I'm Backing Obama
emanon ,   USA   (11.03.08)
I'm backing Obama mainly for the reasons given in the second paragraph. I came to the same conclusions. Vote the way you feel is correct, but vote. Otherwise you have no right to complain if your choice did not win. I am confident my candidate will win and I'm ensuring that with my vote.
39. The facts speak all for themselves, #36
Cameron ,   USA   (11.03.08)
40. #36, The Salem Witches Weren't Running For President!
Robert ,   New Jersey, USA   (11.03.08)
41. McCain and Co.
AY_Lamb ,   USA   (11.03.08)
McCain is a dangerous evangelical that even though he may not personally agree with all their dogmatic principles he has most certainly caved into them. Barack Obama is working with Rahm Emmanuel and other prominent and balanced U.S. Yehudim like Chuck Schumer and Russ Fiengold etc. John McCain is under the influence of Eugenicist Roger Pearson, Anne Coulter, Pamela Geller, Rush Limbaugh and other White Christian Homogenizer's they represent a trend that extremely perilous to Israel and other nations. I would suggest a parallel to 1930's France when Leon Blum faced Marshall Petain in the French Republic elections where the slogan was "Better Hitler than Blum" The American people have accepted antisemitism as non offensive and even critical to adequate national security and guess what? the mitnagdim in that scenario is Israel among other.
42. From the look of #4's post, he was going
Joe ,   Ohio, USA   (11.03.08)
to post a second talkback. I'd like to know if it was censored. It is no were to be seen. Terry you've been gone too long from the talkback page. Glad to see you back, it's not the articles I tune in for. It's your insightful comments. Keep posting
43. strong piece
Jonah Saltz ,   Annapolis, MD USA   (11.03.08)
This is an insightful piece that correctly distinguishes between empty "rha rha Israel" rhetoric and actions geared to strengthen Israel. Some of the comments above are hysterical. Ziv makes a good case for Obama both in terms of what's right for Israel and as far as US interests are concerned.
44. Obama is the enemy of the US and Israel
lawrence ,   Philadelphia, USA   (11.03.08)
Obama wil betray both the US and Israel. His supporters are all anti Israel and US. They hate us both. G-D help us if he wins because he will sell us out. Pray for both countries.
45. Hubris and Self Delusion
Reluctant Hawk ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (11.03.08)
The idea that Obama is better for Israel strains credibility! His good friends are left wing radicals and include Rashid Khalidi who want us gone and his preacher is an anti-Semite. The idea that there is no peace because of Bush administration policy is similarly delusional, not to mention incredibly Americanocentric! There is peace because there is no Palestinian partner with the power to make an agreement and no Palestinian consensus that Jews have a right to a state too. George Bush was wise not to continue Clinton's policy. Obama is most similar to Jimmy Carter who brought us the Iranian revolution and invited chaos in Afghanistan. Vote McCain!
46. Get ready for change
Andita ,   Los Angeles   (11.03.08)
Obama is going to win in a landslide tomorrow. As an American and as a Zionist I am delighted. Peace needs to be negotiated, sanely and carefully and Obama will help with that. But peace will be established mainly within the green line. Settlers should start putting their energy into the Galilee. Don't know about the Golan but the biblical areas outside of the green line will be tourist destinations. Go Obama! Go Israel!
47. Mr. Ziv's pro Israel Obama
Pickachu ,   Anaheim, CA   (11.03.08)
What are they going to do with them?
48. #35 sounds like you
Connie ,   Virginia   (11.03.08)
gulped down Obamas' lies, hook, line and sinker. You're quite a catch. He should have you mounted on the wall.
49. Palestinians "the most persecuted people on earth" -B. OBAMA
Dr. Dave ,   NYC   (11.04.08)
Nuff said.
50. #39: which facts? When are you going to acknowledge
STFU already! ,   USA   (11.03.08)
that the only really important fact is that George Bush's administration has been an abject failure for America AND for Israel!
51. #40: Yes, but the point is THEY WERE WRONGLY ACCUSED
usa   (11.03.08)
52. Khalidi knows how to bring "peace"
Ed ,   Atlanta, USA   (11.04.08)
The peace process has dead-ended and the Palestinians have recommitted themselves to destroying Israel as a Jewish state. Obama could not have been friends with a R. Khalidi if he differed significantly on the issue that is uppermost for Khalidi. Therefore, an Obama pledge to work for peace in Israel can only mean that he will make a serious effort to dismantle Israel as a Jewish state. If that is peace the author cannot abide, he should be voting for McCain.
53. Obama is bad for Israel, but worse for America
Jake   (11.04.08)
This is what Obama has said: “We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.” Do you all understand what he means by "civilian national security force"? Has anyone ever heard of the Sturmabteilung? This guy is no liberal nor democrat. He is a Left Wing Fascist. If change is what you want, just you wait. You ain't seen nothin'!
54. Obama for Israel
JT ,   US   (11.04.08)
I really fell sorry for the people of Israel if they truely believe Obama will help them. In no way will this happen. Did not the Jews learn anything from WWII? Obama speaks and says whatever he has to, to what ever group he is talking to, to get votes, If Obama wins we are all in trouble and I can say that will be the day America died.
55. Ziv is right
Liza Schraya ,   Chicago, IL   (11.04.08)
This piece is absolutely right. Barack Obama will pursue the peace process which is good for Israel, far better than endless war. The best way to neutralize the threats of Iran, demography and the one-state solution is buy implementing the 2-state solution. My one difference with Ziv. I doubt that "McCain views himself as a stalwart supporter of Israel." Like Obama, his agenda is about his own country. The job of a US President is to do what is best for America. I trust that either would do that. The 2-state solution happens to be better for both countries.
56. Obama will be good for israel,just like Olmert was good
chaim ,   brooklyn ny   (11.04.08)
this article is another proof,that leftis'm is nothing but a severe mental disease
57. Ziv is right
David Cohen ,   NY USA   (11.04.08)
While we may not know for sure whether or not the next president will be a strong friend of Israel, it stands to reason that Obama would do more on the peace/security front. Ziv is 100% right in his analysis.
58. B.O. good for Israel!!??
Ephraim ,   Milwaukee USA   (11.04.08)
This article is pure fantasy. Lets list two of B.O.'s advisors and associates: General McPeak, Samantha Powers, Louis Farrakhan, and Rev. Wright, Khalidi, William Ayers. Let's list some of the people and organizations that endorsed B.O.: Hamas, Hezbolla, Khadafi, The President of Iran, King of Saudi Arabia, The PA, CAIR, MSA, and ISA. Need I say more?
59. Connie, don't peddle your Obama slurs to me!
STFU already! ,   USA   (11.04.08)
Unlike you, I don't believe every piece of garbage-email or toxic propaganda spat out by the McCain/Palin campaign. The fact is, I don't believe the slurs against McCain sent around the Internet any more than I believe the lies about Obama, and I've been following both campaigns very closely for the past 10 months Those who choose to believe rumors and innuendo over facts don't have a case for condemning others. Too bad you're the poster child for the classic dumb American who is willing to believe any trash that comes her way as long as it supports her sense of self-righteousness. How sad.
60. Jake, don't be overdramatic
(11.04.08)
That is NOT what Obama meant, as you well know. Trying to intimidate using fear is a cheap tactic. You must have learned that one from Bush/Cheney.
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