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Where is our Zionist vision?
Benny Katzover
Published: 19.11.08, 14:44
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1. What dispute? Hebron is Palestinian under international law
Chaim   (11.19.08)
NE-KU-DA.
2. Zionist vision
Roland ,   Blackpool England   (11.19.08)
I don't understand what the problem is. If the house was truly purchased as stated by the buyers then surely there should be bank records of monies being transfered covering the deal.. If the deal was done in cash more fool the buyers they have certainly been conned
3. Chaim, your claim is without foundation
(11.19.08)
Be so kind as to justify your claim that Hebron is Palestinian "by international law". Please cite treaties, legal rulings and precedents. You can't, because your claim is BS.
4. Is someone keeping a database of all
jason white ,   afula,israel   (11.19.08)
those who are working against the rights of Jews to settle and live in Eretz Yisrael? If we have a Jewish government in the spring then these anti Zionists can be tried and imprisoned. Including judges and lawyers for the government.
5. House was legally sold but the buyer thought he was selling
Bunnie Meyer ,   Los Angeles, CA USA   (11.19.08)
to arabs. Jews paid more than full price for the house and they own it, the "high" court is simply dishonest and can't be trusted any more than "peace now" can be trusted to tell the truth. The truth is that the high court is full of anti-Semitic, leftist, terrorist sympathizing trash. Put real Jews on the high court and this won't happen again.
6. The real point
Ricardo Macher ,   KarneiShomron Israel   (11.19.08)
I agree with every word that Mr. Katzover writes. However, he is forgetting the most important point, this land is not ours because we paid one arab 1 million shekels or 10 millions shekels, that's not relevant. This land is ours for the same reason that Jerusalem, Haifa and Tel Aviv are ours! This is the land of Israel, that was given to us through the man who first bought that place, Abraham Avinu. Believe Chaim, no international law stands before that!
7. Your point is lost; Zionism is dead; Religious nonsense.
Avinoam ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (11.19.08)
Perhaps there is some grain of news in this article. It was unfortunately buried under a pile of Religious and Zionist tripe. Religious opinion has no place in politics and law. There seems to be a legitimate concern over the handling of this case and perhaps the general state of mind of the High Court. It's just difficult to take seriously surrounded by religious anecdotes. Zionism is dead. And it should stay dead. The era of settlements is gone. Get over it. Before I am attacked as some terrorist-hugging self-hating leftist: I am well aware of Anti-Semitism all over the world; I am well aware of the public relations nightmare that Israel faces (of which settlements are a major contributor); I am one that equates Anti-Israelism with Anti-Semitism. Yet it is painfully clear that settlements are counter-productive and put our country in more danger. While the article seems to raise legitimate issues there is also a clear agenda here, namely to support settlement. When fanatical minorities act outside the law or contrary to government policy it undermines the effectiveness of our government.
8. Zionism is dead, what is left is the stench
Bitter Reality ,   ByeByeLand   (11.19.08)
9. Of course
Marty ,   USA   (11.19.08)
this raising of International law is a lie. However, even if it were true what does that have to do with individual ownership. Israel is a Jewish land. Nevertheless when an Arab purchases property in Israel he gets to keep it.
10. #7 - there was no religon in this article. Just pure law
rebecca ,   modiin   (11.19.08)
This article is a clear statement of legal fact - that's all. It is your judgment that is clouded.
11. #1 - by international law we took this in fair battle.
rebecca ,   modiin   (11.19.08)
And as there currently is NO Palestinian state, thanks to the PA who keep rejecting it, Hebron certainly does not belong to anyone other than Israel.
12. to avinoam in ta
trumpeldor ,   eurabia   (11.19.08)
Look at the figures in tsahal :who will defend you in the coming years :leftist kids from gush dan or kippot tsrugot from Jerusalem,Raanana,Yehuda and Shomron ???
13. Re: #7 Avinoam
Ariel Ben Yochanan ,   Kfar Tapuah   (11.19.08)
B"H - Avinoam: "Zionism is dead. And it should stay dead. The era of settlements is gone. Get over it." - ABY: You are dead wrong, thank G-d. "Zionism" and settling the Land are alive and well in as much as they are part of Judaism. Judaism is not part of Zionism and this is why and this is how you lost your compass and you are without a direction. But generalizing your own sorry state in particular and the sorry state of the left in general to the state of the entire People of Israel is a grave error and a mistake that can and indeed may lead to civil war: Jews are not know for they willingness of giving up on their G-d
14. To Avinoam #7
Ricardo Macher ,   KarneiShomron Israel   (11.19.08)
Hi Avinoam, Maybe you are old and your dreams are dead. Zionism is not dead! It's alive in the hands of the religious youth who took the flame that the Kibbutz movement and the secular society didn't know to keep alive! Maybe it hurts you Avinoam, but that is the big reason why the Stalinist Supreme Court hates us, they know we are want they want to be and cannot!
15. Hevron is the Jewish people's second holiest city
Avraham ,   NYC   (11.20.08)
How would Muslims act if they were not allowed to establish additional presence in Medina? What a disgrace!!! The leftist, secularist, anti-religious Israeli ruling establishment is working extra hard to smash hopes of this symbol of the Jewish people being resettled by thousands of Jews. That's why Hevron still has less than 1,000 Jews after its liberation 41 years ago, whereas adjacent Kiryat Arba has almost 7,000 residents.
16. #7 #12 #13 #14.... #1 vs #11
Avinoam ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (11.20.08)
#7 Yes, my mind is clouded by religious anecdotes: "the first Jewish asset in the land of Israel..."; "...the smartest man of all, King Solomon..." and an irrelevant title. I was not disputing the fact that the article contains law, merely stating that the cute religious anecdotes distract from the topic. Furthermore the title is misleading. All-in-all, it seems to me he is preaching to the choir. #12 Irrelevant and worse, dangerous. Zionism is truly dead, and to raise an army based on an outdated philosophy is indeed dangerous. Israelis should serve in the army not because of some antiquated ideals, but simply because of a necessity to defend our country. Has terrorism not affected Gush Dan? I find your generalisations unfounded and ridiculous, having served a long term in the IDF myself and observed the dedication of these "leftist kids". #13 You're making a judgement statement, not exactly sure what, but certainly not relating to the article. I never implied that all Zionists were practising Jews or visa versa. Zionism died the moment it succeeded. Israel is here. This is obvious to all except the fanatically blind. I am not against Aliya, I think it will always be central to our country, but the idea that Jews will control the entire region up to the Jordan, is ridiculous. It will never happen, and it pursue this idea only prolongs our struggle for peace. In Gaza and the West Bank you will find living millions of Arabs who do not (and should not) have Israeli citizenship. What do you expect should happen with them? #14 You don't know me and it seems you're living in the wrong era. The youth are foolish. And to guide them on a foolish path is cruel. #1 vs #11 I am not an expert in law. I do however find the unusual status of the Palestinian territory ridiculous. If it is under occupation by Israel then currently it belongs to Israel. I'm not saying this means we can do what we like with the land, there is clearly a problem here, but you cannot have land that is not controlled by some body that can be held accountable. On the other hand, it's about time the Palestinians declared independence. I have no idea why they are not a country.
17. #16
Israel Israeli ,   Tel Aviv   (11.20.08)
If you want to know why the Arabs are not yet a country, why don't you talk to them, read their publications or listen to their leaders? Maybe they will tell you this story: A thug broke into your house and lived there while you were locked up in the toilet. One day, he even took over the toilet and locked you up in the shower stall. One day, you realize you can fight the thug so he offers to give you the whole toilet while he keeps the rest of the apartment. Would you take the deal?
18. Yuck. I hate hot cereal.
Gideon Reader   (11.20.08)
Is this a multiple choice question? I select "C". Where is the Zionist Vision? Olmert sold it for a mess of porridge, a pen and a flat on Cream Street., and enlisted the "Haim the Tounge" to gift wrap it.
19. international
isiaiah   (11.21.08)
The internationalization of hebron and haifa is near to act as refugee cities for all the innocent of the earth ten million in each city by 2010 .
20. Zionism is Kaput
George Starkermann ,   Yuma USA   (11.23.08)
Let's face it. Zionism is a failed political force and as such should be removed from our vocabulary. Israelis are no longer Zionist, nor do they care for each other. Their only solution to their view of suicide is to have a civil war. Unfortunately, they may even lose that as both sides will simply surrender.
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