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Child circumcision to be banned in Denmark?
Yigal Rom
Published: 20.11.08, 10:02
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31. #1... you're spreading Propaganda
Edithann   (11.20.08)
None of it's true...it's all propaganda to maintain the barbaric practice... God didn't make mistakes..Nature doesn't need improvement.. TATA
32. #3 - you are a hard core idiot....
Andy ,   ramat hasharon   (11.20.08)
And your vicious attacks on religious tradition, without basis in science, is as vicious as the attacks on secular people that we regularly get from religious extremists in this country. Outlawing brit mila is simply hateful regardless of whatever rationale you pull out of your tuchus.
33. correction to 26
bob ,   potomac md usa   (11.20.08)
oops--what I meant was, that #21 said that the Arab invasion took place in 635--when it was actually 634---an error in date, but not i nfact.
34. #14 - thanks for your personal opinion...
Andy ,   ramat hasharon   (11.20.08)
which I personally find idiotic. But that's the beauty of opions - everyone has one. If you don't believe in it, then don't circumcise your sons. But you should get up off of your battery operated dildo to realize that other people have diferent opinions. So outlawing the practice is hateful. That would be the point of the article.
35. God's judgment is coming on the tribe of Dan that
Rivkah   (11.20.08)
populated Denmark (Danmark) that turned away from their heritage and want to deny circumcism rites to boys. Revelation chapter 7 lists the tribes of ancient Israel and the tribe of Dan is missing. The tribe of Dan was disinherited by Jacob the Patriarch long ago, but when the other tribes are restored to God's favor, the tribe of Dan will not. Danes think they are Gentiles and are not brothers to Judah and the Jews. They are worse than Gentiles: they are castaways with no hope of reconciling to the Lord for the treasured position with the Lord for eternity. Can that be changed? No. But some of the earthly judgments like flooding that will come upon the countries of the Danites could be less severe.
36. #22 Said, London UK
Terry ,   Eilat, Israel   (11.20.08)
In Morocco, many circumcised at 8-9 years old, especially in rural areas. The custom is changing, and today most people live in an urban environment & the age for the procedure is lower, as you say, about a week, often in a hospital. I have read about other customs, one source being Wlfred Thesiger, ''Arabian Sands'' & other works which I no longer remember describing circumcision at puberty, not just in Yeman but in Saudi Arabia. Of course, these works were written some time ago & I cannot comment on current practice.
37. what do they do with all those foreskins?
shai ,   israel   (11.20.08)
Plastic surgery in hollywood perhaps? last year a kid dies from the brit in britain, he was the unlucky one , r.i.p, god took him away, its so sad .
38. I never cared for Danish anyway. Too dry.
Efroim ,   Washington DC   (11.20.08)
It shows that this world is going crazy. Two years ago a friend of mine predicted that antisemitism will increase. He was right. We have to unite and fight our enemies whicj will happen. ANYWAY, as for boring, stale danish, just pour hot coffee, that usually softens them up... :)
39. A great surprise..........
paul   (11.20.08)
As all Jewish children,Jesus Christ was circumcised on the eighth day . Was it a crime ? Why don´t they follow the same steps?
40. I'm leftist but...
Rickie ,   Porto Alegre - Brazi   (11.20.08)
I always vote on left, but circuncision is a matter of being jewish. If a man is jewish, this man must be circuncised. I don't care if tradition is not fashion, but part of our way of life.
41. To #2 Juan
Christian ,   Sweden   (11.20.08)
I don't think you can fool these people so easily. They will claime the right to medical examination of the children from time to time and if a child is found circumcised they will prosecute the parents wherever the circumcision has taken place.
42. We circumcise because G_D said to
CARA ,   USA   (11.20.08)
as His covenant with Abraham which is forever. COVENANT. HELLO... you understand the binding seriousness of a covenant, right? I'm Christian, my husband and son are circumcised...actually it is the normal action here in the U.S. Seldom do you hear of anyone not being circumcised. Many Christians continue it because God said to, many do it because of the health benefits, but to me, the bottom line is being obedient to G_D.
43. anti-semitism blanket
portia ,   lafayette, ca   (11.20.08)
this is a law to be passed w/hidden anti-semitism cloaked under the idea of equality of sexes. This is the basic distinction of a jewish boy that has been from the beginning of our religion...if this were to pass, to be sure we'd be seeing yellow JUDEN stars on the sleeves of all Jews in Europe...
44. Gewaaaaaaalt!!!
yehudi ,   palestine   (11.20.08)
The tricky beginning of the Yigal Rom article: "At a time where anti-Semitic acts seem to be on the rise in Europe, a bill was proposed in Denmark that will affect mainly Jews – the banning of male child circumcision" Mr. Rom, before accusing Denmark in anti-Semitism, please learn the history of this small and brave nation. Learn at least how this country protected her Jewish citizens during WW2. It's not a Sharia or Halacha country. The surgery done by "amateurs" should be illegal. Only professional docs and not rabbinic "penis professors" must be eligible to make Brit -Mila everywhere including Israel.
45. To #24
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta,US   (11.20.08)
Christians may not circumcise for religious reasons, but they most certainly do. Not that I've been around the block all that often, but my husband had been circumcised and so were the other men I've ever seen naked. Most of them were not Jewish. I'm not a doctor, but there seem to be some very valid health reasons for circumcision. As for choice of religion, you are correct. I've been sprinkled, dunked, prayed at and over, cussed and thrown out and none of it did any good. I don't subscribe to any religion.
46. Jews belong in Israel anyway. Come home.
Bennie ,   Jerusalem   (11.20.08)
Danish Jews, come back home. We would love to have you here.
47. #1 - Edithann - you are a concrete example...
Andy ,   ramat hasharon   (11.20.08)
of a mistake of nature. I hope somebody corrects that mistake soon.
48. Danish people using the ruse of circumcision to expel Jews!
marlene ,   Philadelphia, USA   (11.20.08)
What evil "subletly" being used to expel the Jews. Shame on Denmark and the Danish people!
49. It's not the intent of the law
Yakov   (11.20.08)
It's the effect of it that makes it very hard on Jews who actually want to practice the ways. In making a law that was designed to discourage Muslims, Jews got caught into and suffer the consequences of it. So now, Danish Jewry would either have to do circumcisions outside Denmark, or leave the the country entirely. There are already many countries in Europe that ban Kosher meat, and I don't think it will be long before they ban male circumcision as well. If Danes choose to do the procedure outside the country, they have 2 nearby choices. Either in Sweden or Germany. The Sweden option: What tends to happen in Scandinavia, is that a law passed on one country, will usually be adopted in the others. So it may not be long before the procedure is also banned in Sweden. Germany: What an irony this would be-Jews going there so that they could practice a Mitzvah? Many would be loathe to do that, and would rather exercise the Israel option. It is time to end galut in Denmark and head back home. They are not living in the same Denmark that so stood for the Jews during the Shoah. It is a different country now.
50. Denmark
Marilyn ,   USA   (11.20.08)
On Christianity and Denmark-I think that they once were very Christian, but now it seems like they have gone away from such. Maybe it was combination of church and state and not having a sense of personal ownership. Anyways it perhaps affects everyone with religious beliefs.
51. I had brit milah at 47 and I'am very proud of it.
Ariel Ben Yochanan ,   Kfar Tapuah   (11.20.08)
B"H I had brit milah at 47 and I'am very proud of it: reconnected with my people. A week of pain, well worth it.
52. Male circumcision is barbaric, but merely cosmetic
Avinoam ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (11.20.08)
If this law passes so should ear piercing before age 15 be made illegal. This is nothing like female circumcision which is indeed mutilation. I think the practice of male circumcision should eventually be abandoned, however, it currently holds great religious significance for Jews and the so-called damage is minimal, and only cosmetic. Speaking from experience.
53. #31, nature is overrated, and we're hardly purists
Roman ,   Lod, Israel   (11.20.08)
when it comes to "how God made us". Should we then walk around naked, avoid advanced technology, and anything else that is "not natural" or "how we were made"? Your argument doesn't actually exist - it is based entirely on personal preference and opinion, on rewriting ethics and morals to suit your lifestyle - and to the determent of those who do not share it.
54. #44, so general surgeons should do it instead of
Roman ,   Lod, Israel   (11.20.08)
specialized experts? Who just happen to have millenniums of written and passed down experience in conducting a bris, as well as - today, a more than basic medical training? You don't need a surgeon for a bris. He doesn't have the experience in them, nor the knowledge of Jewish Halacha to know how it should be done properly.
55. #44 I agree: most circumcisions in the US are done by
USA   (11.20.08)
urologists who are certified moyels. The hospital gives the new mother and father a list of urologists who are also moyels before they leave the hospital. Not sure how they handle it in Israel or "Palestine" (Palestinian territories?)
56. That's what we have Israel for. Make Aliyah already!
Nick Sporek ,   Jerusalem Israel   (11.20.08)
57. Left-wing loons
Phil ,   US   (11.20.08)
Under heavy political pressure from a lunatic fr4inge in the US, the American pediatric assoc. declared that circumcision is unnecessary for health reasons. What they did was a scientific disgrace because numerous studies show the benefit of circumcision as it prevents horrible diseases. Even now, studies have shown the incidence of HIV to be much lower in circ umcised men and certain African countries are making circumcision mandatory.
58. There is nothing barbaric or cosmetic
Dr Jack Ash ,   CA   (11.21.08)
Dens should study 200 cases of circumcised and non circumcised males. Then count the number of cases of HPV Human papilloma virus among each group before taking a decision. The whole bibble is based on centuries of observation full stop.
59. Muslims go back home, Jews make aliah
Mohammed ,   Jeddah   (11.21.08)
If this law passes and you dont like it! Abide by their laws and enjoy one of the highest standards of living in the world, or leave for a tiny piece of skin. Of course I'm a gulf Arab so I don't know how hard life can be in poor Arab countries and Israel, but if circumcision is that important to you, go home.
60. Child circumcision to be banned in Denmark?
Simha ,   Toronto, CANADA   (11.21.08)
We Jews are the most optimistic people on heart. Do you want to know Why ? before we know the final size... We taker a piece... Nothing wrong! NOBODY HAS COMPLAINED SO FAR OR SUED PARENTS ON THIS ISSUE. What is your problem ?
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