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Hebron: Rightists injure soldier, desecrate graves
Efrat Weiss
Published: 20.11.08, 09:32
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1. How convenient for Barak
(11.20.08)
Does the word "Champagne" come to mind?
2. This time they have gone to far
Avi ,   Ramat Gan   (11.20.08)
This time these religious thugs have gone to far, we can not imagine if this happened the other way around. They would be screaming anti-semitsm from the roof tops ! These people bring disrespect upon Judaism - and desecrate God's name. In addition SHAS MK Nissim Zeev is amongst these thugs and the responsibility rests on his head, he should be dismissed from the Knesset immediately.
3. pour turpentine on a Jewsih soldier?
judge jew-dy ,   Ramat HaSharon   (11.20.08)
A jewish soldier who is in the Israeli army carrying out his duties. These people have sunk to an all time low. God willing the security forces will move in and arrest the lot of them , who lets face it are only there to provoke the Palestinian population of occupied Palestine.
4. Yes, these settlers are the "true Jews and pioneers"...
DkS ,   J'lem, IL   (11.20.08)
..and the best representatives of the Jewish and Israeli people we could possibly wish for. Sigh. When is the IDF finally going to perform some chemotherapy on this cancer called extremist settlers? Desecrating Muslim headstones, spraying offensive graffiti, injuring our own soldiers, making life hell for the Arabs in the area in every possible way, illegally taking over properties... Why is the state of Israel, where the majority of citizens even if in principle sympathetic to the settlement enterprise does not support these kind of activities, letting them continue with this? Why the hell? I suggest just taking the IDF out of there and letting the settlers take care of themselves. Let them face 170.000 Hebron Palestinians on their own. Maybe that will teach them a much-deserved lesson. We can't restrain them, maybe the Palestinians can. These people are not Israelis, I wouldn't even consider them Jews, they don't represent me or any other sane Israeli, and I do not consider myself particulary left-wing. We are sick of them and as you can see from my reaction, many of us couldn't possibly care less anymore about their safety (I am not talking about most American talkbackers here, they don't represent the way the average Israeli thinks at all). For these settlers, the state is only to be supported when it cooperates with their insane ideology. The moment the state tries to stand up against them, it becomes the enemy. Let us all become their enemy indeed. Let them stay with the Arabs in a future Palestine: we don't need them here as much as we don't need millions of Arabs in the country. The less lunatics, the better. Otherwise, they'll bring us all down with them.
5. Another provocation by the Shin Bet?
Rabbi Yochanan ,   Gush Chalav, Israel   (11.20.08)
Just as they did before with Avisahi Raviv, those who have a vested interest in doing character assassination against the Jews of Hebron to act undisturbed and with media support, are excalating their activities by infiltrating the youth who help the settlers.
6. Best wishes and many thanks to these heroic Jews!
KettleWhistle ,   israelforum.com   (11.20.08)
Somebody has to stand up to the Arab oppression of our people and Arab occupation of Judea and Samaria. If the IDF refuses do that, I suppose it is up to the citizens.
7. It was a provocateur like Avishai Raviv
Man   (11.20.08)
Working for the shabbak- just like he did.
8. Who are usually grafitti "artists"? Teens. Stupid teens.
L ,   Elad, Israel   (11.20.08)
Please, Ynet (actually, almost all of the Israeli Leftist media too). You're the first ones to jump right in and label the actions of a few stupid teenagers as the work of "SETTLERS". Haven't we all learned the lesson of anti-semitism: one stupid jew does some reprehensible horrible thing and the whole world jumps on the bandwagon and says, "See? That's the way THOSE JEWS are." Shame on you for perpetuating the the same shallow thinking to forward your own biases-- against settlers/rightists/religious/etc (you have some nerve to have an "opinion" section when your entire publication is nothing but thinly veiled opinion).
9. When Arabs Desecrate Jewish Cemetery In Hevron...
Jew ,   na   (11.20.08)
(and that has happened several times) - There's not a peep coming from Efrat Weiss, YNET, or any of the major Israeli media outlets. That news is nowhere to be found. But when a Jewish settler as much as curses a Palestinian during a confrontation - that's front page news in every newspaper. Ask yourself - why?
10. #5 You only speak for yourself, leftists and Arabs!
Jay ,   Israel   (11.20.08)
YOU DONT SPEAK FOR THE AVERAGE ISRAELI! The public knows that the settlers are being unnecessarily provoked because of the elections coming up! The extreme leftist government did exactly the dame thing just before last election with Amona! Dirty filthy tactics, but this time they screwed up and have gone too far! These settlers have all the proof and documentation for the purchase of this house, which only shows that the government is breaking the laws with these evictions! DkS, With this particular case, you have no excuse to attack them.....you are a disgrace for acting like a puppet for the current corrupt government!!
11. No sources?? Typical Efrat Weiss propaganda!
JAy3 ,   ISrael   (11.20.08)
Why does YNet print this mans slander and false reporting. He has mentioned no sources while making unfounded accusations against the people he hates! Very poor journalism!
12. #2 To Avi
Arielush ,   Ramat Ha Golan   (11.20.08)
It's not just this time. They have been going to far for a long time. These people should be excommunicated. Their behavior embarrasses and endangers the Jewish religion.
13. To #10, Jay
DkS ,   J'lem, IL   (11.20.08)
I am not acting like any puppet for any government. I couldn't care less for the current coalition or any of the previous ones. The Hebron settlers have been acting like thugs for many years already, bringing shame upon Israel and the Jewish people as a whole. The current particular case is irrelevant. It's about time they are removed from there since they cause nothing but trouble. An alternative is to just leave them there, without any IDF protection. I have served in this area myself and I know exactly who we are dealing with. I have witnessed plenty of cases of inexcusable outrageous behavior while we, the soldiers, are helpless to do anything since nobody in any level of the military establishment really wants us to even touch them. And trust me, there are enough soldiers who'd be willing to confront these settlers or even shoot at them if necessary. Not all soldiers are blinded by unfounded hatred for Arabs. Most Israelis have no clue about the reality in Hebron and surroundings. These people are extremist fanatics, who don't care about the state of IL, only about the land of Israel. They represent the worst of the worst Israel has to offer. So I say: they can have the land, and let the state retreat from there. Everybody happy.
14. The religious settler is the emancipated Israeli
Robert Bernier ,   Tel Aviv   (11.20.08)
Cowardly people who are prepared to give away the heart of Israel to our sworn enemies feel threatened by fellow countrymen who represent bravery and a will to survive. For post-Zionists like Peres, the woman who happily raises her kids in Judea and Samaria is a constant reminder of his own gutlessness, leading him to develop a burning hate for the pioneering and strong 'Jew'. Nowaday, the religious settler is the emancipated Israeli, bedecked with side locks and tzitzit, and armed with the classic fundamentals of Zionist ideology : to ingather, to build, and to settle the land of Israel. More at : http://xrl.us/bj5ng
15. #2 #3 #4 #12 #13
Israel Israeli ,   Tel Aviv   (11.20.08)
Will you ever learn? Every year they publish how "settlers" destroy Arab olive trees and everyone condemns and curses. Yet until now, the only people who have been caught destroying olive trees are fellow Arabs or Leftist Jews (Mr. Marshak). It is the same here. Ehud Barak saw the poll results that show that Labor will fall to 8 mandates so he needs to do something drastic.
16. #8 L Eldad
Leah   (11.20.08)
Thank you.
17. media's righteousness
fish ,   t-a   (11.20.08)
Where were you people when Arabs desecrated Joseph's tomb and Gaza synagogues? Whan Shalhevet Paz was murdered when her father held her in his arms?Where were you when a suicide bomber slept in Jaffa mosque before he murdered Israeli teens at the disco? Settlers are known for their violence? By your counts Arabs are known for their love of peace in the form of Qassams, suicide-bombing and violent hatred of the Jews? WHY DO YOU ALWAYS SIDE WITH THE ENEMY?
18. Enjoy the pricetag :)
Ephraim   (11.20.08)
Keep attacking us, and we won't sit there like Ghandists. Jews fight back against all aggressors: Hellenist or Arab.
19. THEY ARE TERRORISTS, TREAT THEM ACCORDINGLY
Aharon   (11.20.08)
They are attacking civilian property and civilians, as well as Israeli servicemen. These are terrorists and should be treated in the same was as we deal with Palestinian terrorists. THIS TIME THEYVE CROSSED A LINE. YESH GVUL.
20. #17 WHY DO YOU ALWAYS CHANGE THE SUBJECT?
Aharon   (11.20.08)
Whenever the settlers do something sick and inexcusable, you and your ilk say "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE ARABS?" "WHAT ABOUT THEM, LOOK AT THEM, THEY STARTED IT MOMMY!" GROW UP AND STOP TRYING TO JUSTIFY THESE SICK PEOPLE.
21. Repeat after me, "We are all individuals"
Menachem ben Shmuel ,   Israel   (11.20.08)
The collective ignorance is astounding. Do you actually believe this? Wasn't it a Gush Katif activist who poured hot oil on a soldier during the Disengagement? Or was it a soldier who had acid thrown in her face by a settler? I think this is getting a little old. Can't they come up with something new, or at least show us some pictures?
22. #7 ... most probably I assume also.
avi   (11.20.08)
23. #13 DkS, love the warmth and kindness with which you speak
David ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (11.20.08)
How you would shoot fellow Jews if you could? Are you even Jewish? Doesn't sound like it from your post. You served in Hebron? Not likely in this lifetime. Seems that, like this article, you are manufacturing your story, that you will have the right to attack normal Jews. Between all the Kitzoni leftist Jews, the non-Jew leftist European(you) that hate Jews and the arabs, you are trying to destroy us by repeating your lies, like Gobles taught you. Won't happen today, won't happen tomorrow. See you in Hebron.
24. Crooked lefties involved here too,
yemima   (11.20.08)
for sure.
25. # 6 Quite right!!!
Petra ,   USA   (11.20.08)
There might be hope yet, the kids are repaying the muslims while the 'politicians' figure out how to cede more of Israels Promised land. Perhaps the politicians need a reminder, from these same protesters?
26. I'm on the settlers side.
Petra ,   usa   (11.20.08)
Let the gov. figure out which side they're on. Why expect gentlemanly behavior when muslims do far worse? This is war, not a picnic. Politicians, take note, they may be your next generation of politicians. The politicians have forgotten who they represent.
27. #15 yes, exactly
yemima   (11.20.08)
28. #2 & 12
Marcel ,   Florida   (11.20.08)
Why is it that the Islamic terrorist whose open goal is the destruction of Israel have not gone 'too far ' and are always rewarded by the state of Israel ? I say if the Palestinians are always rewarded for their violence ,it's a good idea for the settlers to follow their example and get some appeasment from the Kadima party of defeatist and losers.
29. To #23, David. How do you even come up with this nonsense?
DkS ,   J'lem, IL   (11.20.08)
First of all, yes I am European, and don't worry, I am more Jewish than all of these Hebron thugs together, the people you like to call 'normal' Jews. Second: you don't even know me. To my great regret I have served plenty of time in Hebron, having to witness fellow Jews behaving like animals and encountering plenty of hostility. Don't forget: most soldiers stationed there are still kids! So was I. Ugly scenes will leave an impression on you. Wake up from your paranoia. Us 'leftist' Jews are more Zionist than any of you right-wing radicals. At least we only try to "destroy", or at least reduce the settlement project in the West Bank. If the settlers have their way, all of Israel will be ''destroyed" (read: forced into a bi-national state 'solution'). You can't have it all. We want everything? In the end we'll end up with nothing at all. We have a state, legitimate and recognized by most of the world. Why can't we be happy with what we have instead of trying to take more and more? This greed will spell our end.
30. It is the "Jewish" community in Hevron...
Andy ,   ramat hasharon   (11.20.08)
that is behaving like pigs. Attacking soldiers. Desecrating places of worship and graves. Then crying that they are the victims. Cry me a river.
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