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Terror lesson in Mumbai
David Altman
Published: 29.11.08, 13:52
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1. These terrorists are sponsored
Zvi   (11.29.08)
by governments, regional or national, either directly via funding and assistance or indirectly (and perhaps involuntarily) when these governments use Islam as a stick to beat foreign and domestic enemies. Nobody can train terrorists in a territory if the territory's government arrests them when they try to do it. The state sponsors of terrorism must be dealt with in order to destroy terrorism's credibility as a weapon. Hamas would be nothing without foreign support. Same with the PLO of old, Hizballah today or the murderers in Mumbai.
2. this....
K. Smith ,   USA   (11.29.08)
should be treated as the '72' Olympics.Until Israel determines to seek retribution for any Jew no matter where the killer hides,atrocities like Bombay will continue. Find them and I'll do it myself.
3. Where's Talk of Pre-emptive Action?
Bluto ,   Cincinnati, USA   (11.29.08)
At a time when the West was not impacted and couldn't care less about terrorism committed against Israel and its citizens, Israel used to lead the world in assulting terrorists and terrorist state sponsors BEFORE acts of atrocity were perpetrated against its citizens. Should a Likud majority dominated government again return to power, Israel will once again show the world how to prevent terrorist attacks rather than respond in a measured way only after innocent blood has been shed.
4. Muslim terror in Mumbai
Alex ,   LA< USA   (11.29.08)
You have to learn how to fight Muslim terror
5. #1 is right: Altman ignores state-sponsored terror
Steve ,   US   (11.29.08)
Zvi #1 was too kind to say it. Why does Dr. Altman not speak plainly and truthfully? States harbor Muslim jihadists; they provide financing, technical knowhow, training facilities, etc., for these jihadist killers. Altman is apparently too weak, timid or too equivocal to state the truth plainly. Pakistan is a state sponsor of terrorism, plain and simple, as is Iran, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Syria, etc.. Pakistan's ISI (intelligence agency) is up to its neck promoting jihadist terrorism agaisnt its neighbor, India, as are Iran, Saudi Arabia and Syria, Israel. What is with all this "Pakistan (or Saudi Arabia) is our ally in the war against (Islamic) terrorism..." given to us by George W. Bush and other apologists for Islam. (?) This is Bush's line. Apparently it is Altman's line as well? Where is the condemnation of "STATES" in this piece?
6. solution
avrom ,   bet shemesh   (11.29.08)
the only solution is to destroy the states the ideology and the people who excuse the terrorism, instantly
7. *“Militants” or mean Murderers?
Robert Bernier ,   Tel Aviv   (11.29.08)
The events of Munbai, the “surprise” they caused, the clumsy fashion they were treated, and the almost glorifying attitude meted out to them by the world media, demonstrate, 7 years after September 11, that little was learned in the West from them while the pledges of Islamic terrorism to pursue its novel strategy proved credible and feasible. For, after Madrid, London, Bali and other acts of mega-terrorism, the west still hesitates to pronounce the M- word , and talks about “Militants” , who draw sympathy in the Islamic world, instead of condemning them as Muslim terrorists and try to rally moderate governments worldwide in support of the war against them. Moreover, instead of vigorously rejecting the Muslim notion of jihad, in the name of which all these horrors are done, the West has been indulging in the vain distinction between Islam and “Islamism”, ignoring the fact that they are one and the same faith and that jihad is the language of both. More at : http://israelagainstterror.blogspot.com/2008/11/antecedents-and-follow-ups-to-munbai.html http://xrl.us/oypnv
8. Madrid Bombings
Mike ,   New York   (11.30.08)
The Attacks against commuter Trains in Madrid where not the reason per se for the "Change of government " but for the fact that the Political Party in Power at that time (PP) tried to divert the attention away from Islamic Fundamentalists as the perpetrators and Blame ( more conveniantly ) ETA .
9. The world funds terror
Great White North ,   Canada   (11.30.08)
Until we stop using muslim oil, terror will continue. Terrorists own the world because of oil. Muslims riot and kill because of a cartoon, and there is little outrage. Bush hugs and kiss Mr. Saudi Arabia oil man while Saudis do 9/11. Even Israel takes it up the ass and buys Iranian oil through the back door.
10. illogical
tom ,   toronto, canada   (11.30.08)
this article is poorly reasoned. to understand the attack in mumbai, it is not necessary to recite every terrorist pronouncement back to the vietnam war. instead, it is more than sufficient to review al-qaeda's track record since the embassy bombings in africa. al-qaeda's attacks have used many similar features, namely multiple groups attacking simultaneously, the targeting of civilians, theatricality, and the expendability of its operatives. but a rapid reaction force, as mr altman proposes, is futile: they could never deploy in time when the target is any westernized city anywhere on earth. and extensive security measures, premised on the last known attack, merely add to the economic damage inflicted, as we have seen in america and europe. but al-qaeda has rarely struck twice with the same methods. instead, the response should be to publicly and loudly condemn the barbarity of the attackers (but NOT bemoan the magnitude of the damage), and to promise vengeance, in the language of the islamists. this needs to be coupled with diplomatic and political pressures to make the jihadists international pariahs, as war criminals and barbarians, to take away their safe havens. and with military action, as in the case of afganistan, against al-qaeda's achilles heel: the large training bases needed to prepare their terrorists and their communications, used to recruit and coordinate their operatives. propaganda, targeting their callousness in killing innocents as well as their own people, could turn off their recruitment and support in the moslem world. but it all starts with clear-headed analysis.
11. An observation
Ana ,   Spain   (11.30.08)
The Madrid bombings were not committed on the subway system but on trains on the surface.
12. I thought America voted for Change .
rh ,   Modiin Israel   (11.30.08)
Maybe next year we will all have a group hug
13. Establish a Massad "hit" squad and take out any islamic
Bunnie Meyer ,   Los Angeles, CA USA   (11.30.08)
who advocates violence, who sets up any training camp. Let them never know when the next promoter of violence will die until it happens. The terrorists understand fear, let THEM fear they are next.
14. Hasn't Israel been saying this for years?
David ,   Karmiel, Israel   (11.30.08)
Firstly, the fact that the Indian Government was not prepared to negotiate with the terrorists is a huge step forward and the liberal West can learn a lot from this tragedy. Yes lives were lost but all the facts seem to point out that most of fatalities were caused in the actual terror attacks and not during the rescue. A point worth noting is that today the resignation of India's Minister of the Interior was announced because of allegations of incompetency in the country's security services. Our Prime Minister was totally incompetent as was our Minister of Defense during the Second Lebanon War but it took months for Amir Peretz to resign and Olmert is still the Prime Minster. This really shows that India is a real democracy and Israel is a Mickey Mouse one! Our politicians must be forced to responsible to the people of this country and hopefully this will be an issue in the February General Election!
15. I pray someone is listening....
Laurie ,   Franklin, TN USA   (11.30.08)
Dr. Altman, Your comments are well founded and documented. Until we pull our heads out of the sand, the terrorists will continue to create new ways of inflicting terror on people, cities, and nations. I am a firm believer that people must be trained to carry guns on their person for these types of circumstances...to protect the innocent. Israeli's unfortunately have to live this lifestyle for self preservation. The world would do well to learn from their example. Imagine the outcome had someone in those hotels and the Chabad House had a weapon to take the terrorists out. I have a permit and my hand gun on my person at all times...just in case someone tries to attack the innocent.....We are commanded by the Almighty to pursue justice....I am doing my part.
16. 8. Mike
Ana ,   -----   (11.30.08)
Everybody thought it has been ETA because this terrorist organization had tried to commit the same kind of attack. The most recently occasion was on Christmas Eve 2003; and on February 29, a van was intercepted driven by two ETA terrorists, loaded with 560 kilos of explosives. The terrorists had planned to blow up the trains in the same area as the 3/11 bombings were committed. It is true that ETA cannot have destroyed the evidence (the trains were destroyed within 48 hours) and hide the outcome of the analysis of explosives done the very day of the attacks. Neither could Al-Qaeda do it. So who did it?
17. Madrid bombings
Pablo ,   Spain   (11.30.08)
Hello from Madrid. First of all, I'd like to make an observation to the arcticler, that I found very interesting, and is that there were no suicide bombers in the Madrid attacks. That was a rumour that was sprayed the night after the attacks by the media close to the socialist party, that at last won the election. Autopsies proved that no suicide terrorist died that day. Also, 29 people were judged last year, but only 3 of them were found guilty of the attacks, one of them, an spaniard, born in the north of Spain and catholic. No one was found guilty of organizing the attacks. Regards
18. Madrid 2004
Kamarada ParroKias ,   Spain   (11.30.08)
suicide bombers in Madrid 2004???
19. Suicide bomber in Spain
Gabriel ,   Spain   (11.30.08)
Suicide bombers on the trains of Madrid???!!! Please, Mr. Altman, read the news... 8. Mike During the 3/11, Rodríguez Zapatero, declares that ETA is guilty of the attack. Does RZ belong to the PP? Does he divert the attention from Islamic Fundamentalist? Were Islamic Fundamentalist the authors of the attack? Or simply citizens of a muslim country? (Is not the same...) Before you give your opinion, must be informed.
20. "international force" with EU and UN? GOOD JOKE!
The Doc ,   Haifa, Israel   (12.01.08)
Muslim terrorists have Islam to unite them - what do EU and UN have in common? CORRUPTION and DECADENCE! No regard for human values and civilized norms! The UN is run by monkeys and EU by spineless wussies frightened by their Muslim minorities who wave their racist and anti-semitic slogans each time that they are embarassed by their impotence and cowardice.
21. 13 Bunnie: The reason that will not happen to
Rivkah   (12.01.08)
the real Muslim extremist terrorists in America is that the borrower is servant to the lender. America is so in hock to OPEC, the terrorists can have training camps in American mountain areas and national parks with impunity. Try leaving your car on the roadside near Badger, California, overnight if it breaks down. In the morning it will be shot up with AK47's. Why are our troops in Iraq and Afganistan chasing terrorists when the government won't do a thing about the terrorist camps in America? Perhaps it is all a show to get money for investors in the military industrial complex. The love of money is the root of all evil.
22. Ashamed
Pravda ,   Madrid, Spain   (12.01.08)
It is said that you can repeat a lie thousands of times untill it becomes a "truth" for desinformed people. Mr. Altman. I don´t know if it is only desinformation but the citizens, that in Spain are fighting against the LIES spread around de bombings in Madrid, are tired of watching how "informers" or "periodists" don´t know a single thing about what happened that terrible day of March in Madrid. The bombs were not in the subway, thre were no suicides. We still don´t know who is the responsible of that attack and are fighting to reach the TRUTH and the way periodists repeat once and again the "assumed lies" don´t hel us at all. The Spaniards invite you to study, as it should be, that terrorist attack and help us in our fight towards the truth. In spite of it, please, don´t mention a word about what you don´t know at all. Reading such things, in fact, I don´t know if periodists want to inform or desinform. Best regards
23. terror lesson in mumbai
debbie ,   israel   (12.01.08)
To Laurie of Franklin, TN, USA You said it well. You are absolutely right.
24. Those were trained by Mosad
sajjad Ali ,   karachi Pakistan   (12.02.08)
Any person with minimum IQ can easilly understand this whole drama. Guy capturedby Mumbai police has worn rakhi in his hand :D Another big lie they went from karachi on that Boat . which will take atleast 50 hours drive from karachi to mumbai and they have passed all indian radars ???:D
25. Madrid 2004
Kamarada ParroKias ,   Spain   (12.03.08)
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=4gy8yXu8u8Q
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