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Chief Rabbinate urges State to secure Chabad houses
Kobi Nahshoni
Published: 01.12.08, 11:33
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1. Nope!
Reuven Brauner ,   Raanana, Israel   (12.01.08)
Unless they pay taxes here, they should not benefit from our tax money. They are not citizens of the State of Israel and are not eligible for our financial or security support. If you give to one group, you will have to give to everyone. We are not that rich.
2. what is the limit of secular financial support to religious
mother from north   (12.01.08)
like the almighty....endliess!!!
3. Next Chabad House in Hell ...
avi   (12.01.08)
in case I would want to visit there, thank you. Seriously, did Moshe ask Aaron to let a son in Egypt because some hebrews stayed there or will come back when the present Pharo will calm down ? You're not serious. There's a jewish people to be made here and nowhere else, this is the goal, the one BEFORE all others, Berechit 12/2: "And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and be thou a blessing."
4. guarding chabbad houses
david ,   herzlia,israel   (12.01.08)
No!!, if Israeli or jewish backpackers are looking for a free meal at chabbad house, or rest for a couple of days, then let them pay for food and lodging !!!!! and maybe they will be able to hire guards.. Chabbad houses are not embassies, we alredy have Israeli embassies. Israel can not guard every single jewish sinagogue, jewish school, yeshiva, chabbad houses , etc . allover the world. Be realistic.
5. # 1,2 there are more than enough tax-paying religious
Roman ,   Lod, Israel   (12.01.08)
citizens of Israel. And Chabad Hassidim are part of them. Our government has no problem with funding various youth movements abroad, so why not fund the *security* of the major focal point of Israelis when the stay abroad? And by the way... many of those Chabad schluchim are Israelis themselves.
6. Good Try Guys, but it's on your dime, er, Kopek
Gideon Reader   (12.01.08)
I like most of the Chabadniks I have met or know. many reside in walking distance of my residence. I am on good terms with them all. I do not attend their particular outlook, but I am a contrary person by nature. Chabad World Headquarters is in Brooklyn, NY(US) The Chabad enterprise although a very worthy one, is a private effort and not an Israel governmentally sponsored one. There is no clear rationale for Israel to provide any security services beyond that of advisement in hardening the Chabad targets against threats and attack. Israel maintains Embassies and consulates in many countries. Chabad is NOT a diplomatic extension of the government of Israel or a national outreach of Israel. It is a private religous outreach. The nations that allow the Chabad enterprise are responsible for the order and safety of the religous institutions they allow to flourish within their borders or not.
7. Chabad
Roxy ,   Israel   (12.01.08)
Let the workers there receive firearm training,and anyone staying there pay a fee for security if they want to hire professional guards. The Gov.of Israel is having enough problems finding funds for education,protection of Sderot,Beituah Leumi etc, no funds for Chabad unless it is taken from the religious authority budget.
8. #5
Reuven Brauner ,   Raanana, Israel   (12.01.08)
And if I go to Chutz L'Aretz can I get my own personal, Israeli bodyguard to protect me, too?
9. # 8 Don't know, do you draw in dozens of Israelis into
Roman ,   Lod, Israel   (12.01.08)
a single building? Do you happen to be the closest thing Israeli Jews abroad have to home, embassy included?
10. Chabad ? and why not satmar ?
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (12.01.08)
If you give to one , give to all . They are'nt Israeli ambassadors , not even honorary consuls , they represent themselve .
11. As for as Tax Supported Security goes..
Avi   (12.01.08)
if the State gives funding to Chabad, then all Jewish institutions worldwide deserve additional funding for security. It's really only fair. Having said that, I don't that's going to happen anytime soon. It is really up to Chabad at this point, to decide what additional steps need to be taken to improve security at their facilities.
12. Hey Chuckie! You Agree With Me!
Reuven Brauner ,   Raanana, Israel   (12.01.08)
I knew you had it in ya. Your buddy, R. Chumaini.
13. Not Realistic
David ,   Jersualem   (12.01.08)
First, Chabad is not representing Israel abroad. It represents itself. Its works are noble, but they are also private. Second, Israel doesn't have the resources or capacity to protect 3,000 centers. Its simply not realistic. Third, it sets a bad precedent. They are Jews, we love them, but we can't protect everyone, everywhere, all of the time - nor should we entertain such notions. Chabad knows the risks involved in its work in the more dangerous corners of the world. I am all for giving them free security consultations, self-defense and firearms training, and making sure they have emergency contacts with Israeli embassy staff (even if the shliach isn't Israeli), but that's all we can realistically do for them.
14. Really bad idea.
Ilan ,   Ariel   (12.02.08)
The Israeli government should not be funding to protect or have any official role in the security of anything at all not part of the government. It isn't the role of Israel to protect every JCC or Chabad House. It has nothing to do with liking or not liking the activities. It is Israel simply meddling where it doesn't belong.
15. # 7 Roxy great idea!
Petra ,   USA   (12.02.08)
or, they could adapt the Israeli Air Force training that every member of the flight is capable of doing every job necessary on the plane should another member be disabled. Every Jew should be taught to defend and protect ourselves. Every Jew should know how to use a firearm. Have 'special' training and the aforethought to have it at the ready, when necessary, even iif wearing it on your belt! We have a history of being mighty warriors. Time to remember. NEVER AGAIN!
16. Even i agree with you Reuben #12
Avi ,   Ramat Gan   (12.02.08)
what is the world coming to? even i agree with you Reuben, who would have thought it a gay guy agreeing with Reuben. Seeing as you hate us gays!
17. diaspora
alone ben caro ,   usa   (12.02.08)
we that live or travel outside of the jewish homeland do so at our own risk.That is why we have a jewish homeland. Israels' resources should be mandated first to the preservation of the state and its' people,and then to the minimal numbers of risk for embassies needed for its' primary function: to keep a homeland for jews in tact. twenty centuries have taught us that gentile countries have many atime welcomed the presence and interaction of jewish communities; until the time came that they no longer did so. Mubai should just re-inforce that remembrance.
18. All of You Writing As If This Were Logical...
Brana Lobel ,   Israel   (12.02.08)
The Medinat Yisrael is not an entity completely divorced from "private"organizations, and apparently never has been. Acting as if it is so will not make it so. We need a constitution and a different organization of government but until we have one, please remember that: 1)the Jewish Agency which brings olim here and assists in so many ways is not a government agency but has very close ties to government...you figure them out. 2) The Jewish National Fund is not part of the government but acts on behalf of the Jewish people to buy land in Israel. Do we own it or do we not? Who owns the land in Israel, bottom line? Does the Medinat have eminent domain?Or do the Jewish people? You figure it out. 3)Protection to Jews. Well, the Medinat chose to raid on Entebbe. The Medinat chooses to assassinate enemies of Israel on foreign soil. The Medinat chooses to airlift Jews en masse from Ethiopia. So there are a lot of things the Medinat can do outside the technical boundaries of EY. 4)However, I am not impressed with the limited contact I have had with Israeli consulates so far. I hope that I have seen a non-representative minority. Nevertheless, it was reported that the Mumbai consulate rep, husband of the consular head, was detained in a jail for 10 hours when trying to reach Chabad House because he and presumably his companion were not carrying ID. If this is true, it is simply not acceptable behavior and someone has to beef up the consulates before anyone tries to do anything about external entities like the Chabad houses.
19. Dear Avi,
Reuven Brauner ,   Raanana, Israel   (12.03.08)
I do not hate gays. All human beings deserve respect. It is the act of homosexuality which is deplorable, as well as its public promotion and flaunting. What can I do? Homosexuality is unnatural and goes against the Laws of the Torah. I am sorry for those who have this tendency and urge and fail to control it, as hard as it may be. But, I don't hate them. They are just plain Nebechs. Why hate a Nebech?
20. security
colin   (12.03.08)
The rabbinite says the government must secure habab houses.Wonderful idea First let habab and the haridi start working and paying taxes that there be money.The state must ask the rabbis who will secure every synagoge,every jewish club.every jewish establishment befor ethe habab empire can extort money for the security of habab
21. chabab
sas ,   israel   (12.05.08)
they serve as embassies???????? and send 1/2 their people to the usa and then they refuse to be buried with an israeli flag.........we need to re-think our priorities.
22. #20 & #21--First of all, it Chabad, not Chabab.
JewishDragonfly ,   Torrance, CA, USA   (12.05.08)
First of all, it Chabad, not Chabab. Second, don't confuse them or their attitude to the Medina with Satamar. Not all Haredim are alike. Third, plenty of them work and pay taxes. I do agree, though, with the people who point out that they are NOT embassies. Chabad is headquartered in the United States and most of them don't reside in Israel. The organizations have their own opinions which often are at odds with the Israeli government and much of it's population. While Chabad is much closer to my outlook than many secular Israeli institutions, I have to draw a distinction. Israel can't be expected to provide security to every Jewish organization throughout the world.
23. Chabad
Ben ,   Monroe USA   (12.06.08)
It seems to me that Israel has a more urgent problem than protecting Chabadnicks all over the world. S'derot is being attacked daily. S'derot is ISRAELI territory and Israeli citizens. Protect Israelis first. Chabad is sending her own to the far corners of the world knowing there are dangers. Many of them are not Israelis, rather Jews who have taken up the Chabad desire to bring the so-called errant Jew back to their version of Judasim. These are good people but Chabad should take responsibility for their own.
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