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Smart ID project underway
Niv Lillian
Published: 01.12.08, 18:52
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1. millions of citizens will leave the country
rpc ,   modiin, israel   (12.01.08)
How dumb do they think we are? Access to a biometric database will be restricted and the data encrypted... in ISRAEL? give me a break! Israelis are the best hackers in the world and there is not a single government figure I would trust with my blood type, let alone fingerprints or genetic mark-up. No thank you. If it comes to this I'm leaving.
2. IBA: "no Western country possesses such a database"
Raymond in DC ,   Washington, DC USA   (12.01.08)
Then again, no other Western country has such a pressing need for a system of positive identification. The IBA is just acting the "moral superiority" role they've taken upon themselves.
3. not true !
Greg ,   Israel   (12.01.08)
France could be very well qualified as a western country, and every ID card is now secured (for many many years now) with individual finger prints patterns reproduced on the card itself through clever sinusoidals. Israelis should be a bit less concerned with human rights and a bit more with preventing people cheating the system getting away with it. Unless the very same people who complain so much about the lack of protection of their human rights are the very ones cheating the system ??? :-) Biometrics is very well accepted in many western countries since the very basic fundamental stone of these countries is that your personal security and freedom is so important to the State that you need not worry of helping your government securing your community. On top of this, do you really think that the lack of biometry of ID cards prevent the State from knowing who you are if it really wants to ? 350,000 fake IDs in this country is really crazy, especially considering the security concerns we have.
4. #1 give us a break, will you? Any self-respecting government
Roman ,   Lod, Israel   (12.01.08)
agency in the world, and any self-respecting corporation as well, hold a similar practice of smart-card identification with AT LEAST several fingerprints for use in tandem with a smart-card that receives a certificate from an organization-managed Certificate Authority security server. The United Kingdom passed a similar bill two years ago with the National Identity Card system. Brazil had something like this for several years now. Australia is currently in the process of making their Smartgate border access system a reality. Germany has a biometric ID system in the works. Japan has it for bank clients. So, why should we lag behind? We wrote the book about biometrics and PKI security. Time to make use of it in the public and not just the private field.
5. What about all the people who do not
jason white ,   afula,israel   (12.01.08)
carry their i.d. cards and licenses with them. In security I run into two or three a week. Too bad there is no facial i.d. that can identify such people and they would be fined. If all schools, factories, banks, malls, ect., had them, then we can cut back on the problems that security guards face. Having a fake i.d. card should mean five years in prison plus a fine.
6. rpc get a move on there's a flight out a 1am!
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7. 350,000 forged IDs & we're debating this!?
(12.01.08)
we have the technology let's solve the problem now
8. I Already Have A Chip On My Shoulder
Lawrence tendler ,   zefat Israel   (12.01.08)
But not a computer chip.
9. My little HP printer on my home PC
Fary   (12.01.08)
It has many faults which come up for the simplest things like scanning, and constantly pops up messages "printer is online" "printer is offline" in a huge window. And the constant upgrades it announces with a loud clang. Nations which have collected their citizens' vital information in databases have generally made all of it public by losing memory sticks and notebook pc's on trains (in the uk for example). When Aryeh Bar says the access is restricted - it's just a plain lie to pool the wool over the public's eyes. In doing this Israel is on the forefront of evil and control, it will discourage aliyah (I for one after reading it will not come back, definitely, it's bad enough facing constant abuse by the petty little bureaucrats as it is).
10. 90 percent of automation projects go over budget
Fary   (12.01.08)
If the current estimate is 69 per card, you should multiply that by 4 to get a more realistic initial guess figure. So about 280 per card.
11. like the H bomb, it depens what you do with it ...
avi   (12.02.08)
and what we know is that there WILL be misuses, but have we a choice ?
12. the british alocated billions of pounds & it over budget
zionist forever   (12.02.08)
England is wanting to introduce a similar system the British government alocated about £5 BILLION to develop the scheme and its already over budget. Can Israel afford such a grand scheme, let somebody else develop technology that we know works and we can be garunteed a certain price. Yes the ID cards are pathetic .. what do you expect when you simply glue a photograph onto a piece of paper and laminate it... they are easy to forge. There is much better technology around which can make it alot harder to fake the ID cards but at the same time not having to spend billions on a biometric database. Why not use credit card technology with the chip all thats needed is the basics but hard to forge. I would rather we pay the teachers a decent wage or give the military the funds they need to defend the country properly than spend fortunes on a grand scheme for biometric ID cards when there are cheaper plans based on proven technollogy just not as fancy.
13. no Western country possesses such a database ?!?!?!
Mordechai Kohn ,   Australia   (12.02.08)
Lawyers... who needs them? Brazil has a 10 finger database of most of its citizens. The attorney also forgot that Israel already collects the fingerprint of its soldiers what includes most of the male useful Jewish population of the country anyway (ok. that probably excludes the yeshiva leeches) My only concern is to fund this as HP price is incredibly over the market rates and as several other ones observed tends to go over the budget, turning the tender even more shameful!
14. 7: There will be much more identity theft when
Rivkah   (12.02.08)
RFID chips are scanned by people with a scanner in a back pack who are not authorized to get the information on the chips, but do. Anything with personal information with an embedded RFID chip should be protected in a metal box in a pocket or purse or wrapped in tin foil or put into a spun steel wallet like the one available at www.hammacher.com .
15. #7 Rivkah, RFID can be secured.
Roman ,   Lod, Israel   (12.02.08)
It's not even that difficult, or expensive. It just involves adding a security-level interface to the RFID data that requires authentication before the data can be read.
16. pfff .really
Greg ,   tel aviv   (12.02.08)
Good - do not come back ... who needs pathetic people here anyway :-) It should be lawyers that should be removed and not biometric IDs. Does not ynet check the facts bhe before publishing dodgy lawyers articles that rediculize the seriousness of the paper ? Only country in the west deploying biometric IDs .... come on, - on which planet does the guy live? The only countries who do not have serious ID systems are exactly the same ones that are sh..t holes full of islamist terrorist hiding with 5 wives under the name of their camels
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