The author couldn't control his love for Barack and the court.

What settlement expansion ? you mean legally purchasing a building ?!?! Hopeless author is out of touch with reality.. its not the state's best interest to make "peace" but they do it anyways.

To show the public the disgusting government that is in power today and that they must never be allowed to run this country again. Israel needs a strong right-wing-pro-Jewish governement that will lead us against terrorism and evil and will fight the forces of darkness and bring back our pride again as Jews living in our land.

I'll Accept Your Argument If you also agree that the national interest trumps the rights of arabs in disputed areas to have recourse to the courts. If not, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Are you assuming that this gov't. has a mandate to reach an agreement? While this may be the legal gov't. until elections, many consider this an illegitimate gov't. with no mandate to make any decisions of importance. You make another very bizarre statement. Does the gov't. have a right to evict anyone from their property without due process? Only a court may decide a property dispute. You also assume that the majority of Israelis support a Palestinian state. I would not make that assumption. Considering that the vast majority of Israelis do not want a divided Jerusalem, do not accept the idea of any phoney refugees entering Israel, & would find any ''corridor'' linking Gaza to the West Bank & cutting Israel in half as ludicrous, among other controversial terms, I think the assumption is unsupported. If any agreement with the Palestinians is part of a ''deal'' with Syria, support would be even lower. Then there is the question of up-rooting anywhere between 120,000 & 200,000 residents of the West Bank. After the Gaza disengagement fiasco, how many would want to see this on a scale 20 times larger. And, we all saw the result in Gaza. Only the most naive fool thinks Abbas can stand up to Hamas. You fail to explain why there was any rush in evicting people from their property. This could have waited until the legal determination of ownership was adjudicated. Why now? Or, it could have waited until after elections, a decision more easily accepted by a gov't. with a clear mandate to govern. All in all, I think you have written a rather poor analysis, one which is obviously skewed by your political opinions & thus, less than objective. This time around, unlike Oslo, the Left will not be able to shove this crap down our throats & the upcoming elections will be proof.

" radical un lawfull...." WOW now that's amazing , to own your own purchused house and not being able to settle inside, well now that's some hutspah jews have! ... "It is the State and the government that should decide whether expanding the Jewish settlement enterprise in Hebron is a national interest of the State of Israel, or an act that contradicts this interest..." See, this guy bought a house at his own expense, no national interests here, sorry for the news Why give a damn for what arabs think about hebron, after all , didnt they become a majority by pogroming the jewish original population only 70 years ago ? Next thing we know, we Jews will reward Nazis for who knows what ?!

High court of what? Refusing to hear the evidence and verified documents of one side is not quite indicative of justice. Israel democracy? Where is the citizens representation in the offal tank called Knesset? Where is the due process, the constitution, the effective policing of crime? There will be two states. Two state for the Jews. There will be a Medinat Yehuda before there is a permanent status agreement.

Well done, you described precisely what is going on here. Hesitant is a great word for describing this administration, and previous ones too. You can observe this in all its actions, from politics to war. #1 did you read the article or do you just not like the concept of law? "...the weakness of mind and hesitation displayed by Olmert, Barak, and Dichter..." #2 once the courts ordered an evacuation it is pretty clear what the legal status of the building is #3 and to show the world what a bunch of hooligans we are? #4 not exactly clear what your point is. The interest of one Jew is not the interest of the entire nation. #5 Many may consider what they like. Many people still believe in some imaginary being with super powers. People may believe what they like. It has no bearing on the law. The government is legal and legitimate, no matter how much we dislike it. (Myself included.) Admittedly this government is weak, and has failed repeatedly, but this is what is stated in the article too. I thought it was an excellent analysis of settler dynamics. I don't see any reason to have delayed this evacuation. I don't see any reason to believe that the next government will be any more legitimate than this one. What I do see is that this government does not support your agenda, which in fact makes your analysis skewed. #6 yes #7 tactics? "...the court’s decision was clear: It required the government to evacuate the Hebron house within a few days, or else it would be directly responsible for showing contempt to the court..."

Let the elections change it. Anyone who tries to force his opinion on the majority without a democratic process is a fascist and should be treated accordingly.

should have been "dealt" with during the time of rabin and right after baruch goldstein murdered the arabs..His grave has become a shrine. the cancer of our society should have been removed then. the tumor has only grown and become more malignant. they are ruining our country and there is not one leader with the sight/vision and courage to do something against them.

quote: It is the State and the government that should decide whether expanding the Jewish settlement enterprise in Hebron is a national interest of the State of Israel, or an act that contradicts this interest. unquote It is NOT a case of the government deciding. It is a case of an individual purchasing property in Arab country or area. If an Arab purchases land in Tel Aviv can (or should) the government decide that he can not live there? Here a person properly purchased property. It is the obligation of the government to see that the purchase was legal, it is the obligation of the government to see that those subjects of the government accept the purchase and that they live in peace with each other. IF not, perhaps the government should oust the Arab family that purchased a home in Tel Aviv (it was in Ynet a few weeks ago) they did not have permission from the government. The government should kick the Arabs out of Yaffo and Acco since this is Jewish area. But the government does not send in its gestopo styled police to beat and maim the Arabs there. It only beats the Jews since it perceives that they are 'settlers' (enemy of government) and the government is trying to achieve a peace (? if you believe it) with the Arabs and is afraid of the Arabs rioting.

Terry, I agree with your response to this article. You have an excellent analytical mind.

We have unquestionable rights on the Land of Israel. The historical and political truth about our rights and legitimity is unquestionable. The Jews have the right to build and live freely in their country. We have modern political rights dating back to the First World War: "After World War I, the borders and countries that today make up the Middle East were created - Iran, Iraq, Syria, etc. Modern Israel was created the same way! The countries of the world charged Britain [in the San Remo Resolution of 1920, based on the League of Nations and Balfour Declaration] with creating a 'national homeland' for the Jewish People, based on the 'historical rights' of the Jews, and calling for Jewish immigration and settlement here. Only a quarter of the land, including Hevron and Shechem, originally designated for the Jews by the League of Nations, was left for us. The historical and political truth about rights and legitimity can be read in its 5 parts at : http://xrl.us/bi5c6

The courts decision was NOT clear at all. They did not ORDER the eviction to be carried out like you falsely claim....all they said was that the government was ALLOWED to do it under its own discretion. That doesnt mean it had to be acted upon and if no action was to be taken, there would of been no contempt of court like you falsely claim. You are definitely wrong! But you leftist extremists will never admit that.

The problem comes with the double standard. The government has a legal obligation to act equally against all. The government has chosen to be weak and helpless against illegal building in the Arab sector including the Negev, and is sympathetic to Arab violence in Acco, Yaffo, Pki'in, Naalin and Bilin. At the same time the government acts with unfair and illegal harshness against the Jews, for example in the case of Federman (Judge Dotan's decision, not mine) You add the seeming criminality of the goverment, be it convicted criminal Ramon, Olmert or others. This is the source of the rioting and hatred. What Olmert, Barak and their supporters fail to realize is that their behavior is what will lead to Israel's destruction.

In your reaction to #7 Ben Ishai is a journalist not a legal expert and therefore misunderstood the ruling. Supreme Court Judge Turkel has said that the Supreme Court did not order the expulsion, just decidedd the government could choose to do so. In an interview yesterday before the violent expulsion, Barak made sure to emphasize that it was a government decision. Get a recording and listen carefully.

it is still a trauma. Even if you agreed with the Hitnatkut from Gaza, it is still a trauma. Even if you agree with evacuating settlements in the West Bank, it is still a trauma. This is what "the left" always misses. And what "the right" should realize that a lot of people in "the center" (like me) understand. Our understanding doesn't help you, it's still losing your home. And it's still watching Jews being kicked out of their homes, just like they have been in every other country in the world for the last 2000 years and which shouldn't ever have to happen in a Jewish state. And it's still heartbreaking. There's no winners and no losers here. We're all heartbroken. And those who aren't heartbroken should look in their hearts as to why.

The left won't be happy until Israel is gone, and they are well on their way. Israel has turned into a nation that appeases its enemies, endlessly, refuses to protect its own citizens, and attacks Jews whom it views as its political rivals. This is a recipe for national suicide. Almost all countries in the West are suffering from this same sort of suicidal problem (pushed by the idiot left) but Israel is at the front of the line. Very sad.

Now this is a fascinating example of how wording can affect the outcome. #17: reading your response in no way influenced my opinion. I am not a leftist extremist. Not in the least. I simply cannot support rioting. I think my position is understandable. Read #19 to see how it's done. #19: well put. I will concede that the move was tactical on the part of Barak. (I still wouldn't vote for Barak.) However, this is not enough to change the conclusion. If the court said expulsion was permissible this reflects on the legality of the purchase. There are many illegal settlements, and the fact that the government chooses to single this one out may be unfair, but it is perfectly legal. It is ridiculous to fight this unfairness by disputing the legality of the settlement, and certainly in the manner in which it was done. It would be much better to try address the real problem, that of the other illegal settlements. By making evacuation of illegal settlements so costly the settlers in fact make matters worse for themselves, painting themselves a target. Now this is not a difficult conclusion to come to, so it does raise the question, is fairness really what is being sought? The resounding answer is no. The article gives a sound analysis of their motives.

I was in the Hitnatkut. Before we were sent we were given some "training" and part of this involved debate over the issues. I was sympathetic with the settlers from this "trauma" point of view, until I got to the scene. 99% of the trauma was dramatics. Certainly people were upset for leaving their homes. I can sympathise. But that is not trauma. What was traumatic however was for a child to watch his father "crying" while his father is carried out (gently!) from his home. Children do not understand. This was a clear case of abuse. What was no less damaging was the insane propaganda teenagers were fed. I remember being a teenager. You can have strong convictions regardless of the facts. This was abuse. Consider words taken from this article: "..the silent majority among Judea and Samaria settlers understand well the kind of damage caused to them by the violence of the radicals..." How many rioters showed up in Gaza for the Hitnatkut? Could it be that their zeal caused more trauma to the settlers than the army's actions? This radicalism does not help their cause in the least. It polarises.

Picket...

These idiots are not Zionist or Torah-true - they are nut cases the like of which the American New Left never saw. The damage which they are doing the State of Israel - and thus the other Jews living there - is incalculable. They seem to have bought into the totalitarian idea of "you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs" and if the eggs just happen to be other Jews who are killed or maimed in the incidents the settlers incite, well, just too bad. They don't count anyway because "they're not with us." Previous governments - all the way back to the "sainted" Menachem Begin, have brought this eleventh plague on us by indulging the settlers' fantasies, and the bill is now coming due for encouraging lawbreaking in the shtakhim.

The Ethnic Cleansing was not a trauma for you because for many people it is fun to be a big man, wearing a uniform, screaming orders, slapping some women and getting medals. It was a trauma for the people whose life you destroyed. Go to the Nizan refugee camp and see for yourself. The Ethnic Cleansing was also a systemic trauma for the IDF. No matter how much fun you personally had, the IDF failed miserably when it had to fight armed men with guns. Thanks to the Ethnic Cleansing, Israel is in trouble. Hamas attacks Sderot and Ashkelon and the IDF is helpless. In such a situation, how long do you think will you peacefully drink Hafuch on the ruins of Jammasin, Masudiya, Salame and Sheik Munis?

Ethnic cleansing is a euphemism for genocide. We were never there to kill anyone. Your whole premise is ridiculous. And it was not fun. I never wanted to go. You show such little understanding.

but rather a descendent of an indigenous people. Violent Jews there are no less the freedom fighters "Palestinians" claim to be.

reading your talkbaks a man with all the answers. Although it is troubling to me that you seem miss the point everone clearly makes.This makes everyone question your understanding.