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'There is no such thing as moderate Islam'
Nir Magal
Published: 15.12.08, 23:18
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1. we have been there before
A muslim   (12.15.08)
historically ,more than 50 % of people like him convert to Islam eventually we did not starte WW1 WW2 or the holocaust ..we did not invade other people's land like the turks,french ,britich did before .. we are at home minding our own buisness ..this guy needs a reality check about who is the real terrorist here .... he will wake up one day ...may the creator guide him . a correction about the pigs and apes ... they will reserrected in the judgement day as such ...not they are now .. reason being ....the killing of a lot of prophits and the attempt of killing on prophit Jesus and prophit Momammed PBUthem ..
2. Wilders: Thanks for saving the world !
European   (12.16.08)
3. To all offended Muslims about to respond here...
Tahl ,   Israel   (12.16.08)
Before your knee-jerk offering of your harshest villifications to Wilders, can you answer this first? Can you truthfully consider a religion whose holy book literally calls Jews "apes and pigs"; whose laws allow the stoning to death of gays, the repression of women, and honor killings; and under whose name, a holy Jihad war is waged against the entire West - to be a peaceful, rational religion? Is Wilders not right, calling such ideology barbaric and intolerant?
4. who is intolerant?
sami ,   germany   (12.16.08)
who kill each other 100s of years ? who kill the jewsh in spain? 1ww 2 ww , holocaust who treat the jewsh like animals for 100s of years? who kill 100Ks people in iraq and afganstan?
5. to 1
smith   (12.16.08)
"..we did not invade other people's land like the " Yes you did and like all the human in this history you have blood on yours hands. You just think that you are better than others and you dream about your peacefull religion. Wake up... WW1 and 2 had nothing to do with religion. Turk are muslim. "we are at home minding our own buisness" oh realy??? The land of Israel is not an arab land, you invade it and you steal holy Jewish site, leave it. Go to Mecca and Medine. Leave Jerusalem, is not mentioned in the Koran. For you, Jesus is a prophet but christian and Jew have different views. Keep your religion for you
6. Duch looser can do only one thing
Ibrahim Laiech ,   Moscow,Russia   (12.16.08)
Myself I'm 100% Slavic even my family name is ending by CH, at the same time it means 100% European,I dont have plan to give up my religion,Duch looser calls it "ideology",but I'm hurt when he abuses my Muslim brothers,those Afro-Asian immigrants.There is a question why European countries allow them in,so if you dont like them,let them not enter,only thing what could be done.
7. Dutch identity ?
rollo1 ,   montreal (canada)   (12.16.08)
I have serious problems with the whole ''dutch identity'' that Mr. Wilders is promoting. Although Mr. Wilders is said to be Catholic, he knows very well that Dutch society is known as pro-euthanasia, pro-prostitution, pro-abortion, pro-mushrooms, etc. As a Christian, he should criticize these things way, way before he takes on the moslems, who although they do not share the same theological views on God-Trinity, they are known for their anti-euthanasia, anti-drug morality, which is positive in a certain sense.
8. Much success from an ex- muslim
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9. Been There Before
Harry   (12.16.08)
No invasion of other people's land? Ever? What were the Moors in Spain? What was the Arab conquest? Fiction? Please don't pretend that you have a history of pacifism and nonviolence. Please don't pretend that there is not a problem with "honor killings" and state sponsored executions of homosexuals and infidels currently and in the Islamic tradition. No part in WW2? Nice to deny it, but many Islamic leaders cozied up to Hitler. Certainly, most Muslim countries were NOT on the side of the Allies. And Soviet Muslims fought FOR Hitler - voluntarily. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was essentially an agent of Nazi Germany charged with the funding and organizing of pro-Nazi organizations in Egypt, Syria, Palestine and Iraq. Before and during WWII, Iran welcomed Nazi Gestapo agents and other operatives to Tehran, allowing them to use the city as a base for Middle East agitation against the British and the region's Jews. So intense was the shah's identification with the Third Reich that in 1935 he renamed his ancient country "Iran," which in Farsi means Aryan and refers to the Proto-Indo-European lineage that Nazi racial theorists and Persian ethnologists cherished. No WW 1 involvement? How about the Turkish-Greek war commencing in 1919 that resulted in the murder of over 1MM non-combatant Armenians? This was a holocaust perpetuated by Muslims before the German holocaust. What about the current holocaust in Darfur? What non-Muslims are perpetuating that? So, please don't pretend that Muslims were not involved in any of the larger holocausts of the last hundred and more years.
10. #3
P ,   Philadelphia   (12.16.08)
Absent the responsa and other things outside of it, a straight reading of Torah shows similarly ugly things. The Christians take Torah and find ways to make it yet more ridiculous with their innovations, but a simple look at any of the Abrahamic faiths' holy books is bound to be an ugly one. Fortunately, Judaism and Christianity have had time to grow old and depart from their roots - Islam is still young. Good people can come from any faith though, and while selectively ignoring bits of their faith may make them heretical, it opens the door for them to actually be decent folk who don't practice slavery, believe they're the most special people in the world unlike everyone else, teach women they're valued in a way where they're kept in the kitchen, have morality squads that beat people up for not dressing prudishly enough, torture people until they renounce their faith, etc. The lack of intellectual integrity may be worrying in a philosophical sense, but the results are fantastic!
11. stupidity
Dror ,   la   (12.16.08)
All these Jews following this guy should study history more carefully. He would be advocating the same thing against Jews in a different place and time.
12. he's right about one thing
nate ,   canada   (12.16.08)
the arabization of our cultures because of the ridiculous amount of immigration. we have the same thing here in canada, especially in my city and it is a grotesque site. i've met a lot of these arabs, and they are not nice, quiet, intellectual people. they are ignorant, loud, obnoxious and don't get along with many people besides other arabs. you can't generalize an entire group of people, of course, but these bad ones are definitely the large majority. I hope something is done in these beautiful countries so that they can keep their religion and culture, and not be overrun by arabs and islam.
13. Geert Wilders visits Israel
jamal ,   Los Angeles, Ca USA   (12.16.08)
Have the Jewish people forgotten what a fasciest drive can cost. its only been few decades since another so called freedom leader decided to rid europe of some of its citizens, the unwanted were Jews I believe. Shame on Irael for even allowing such a pig who has no respect for other people to step a foot in the holly land. but what else can we expect from a racist country who's daily routine is killing and humiliating inocent people.
14. "we did not invade other people's land..."
Raymond in DC ,   Washington, DC USA   (12.16.08)
A muslim (#1) write, "we did not invade other people's land... we are at home minding our business." In what parallel universe are you living? That you refer to "the killing of a lot of prophits (sic)" tells me where you're coming from. Exactly how do you think Islam spread in the 7th century out of the Arabian wasteland? It wasn't because the peoples of Asia and North Africa were exposed to the teachings and decided it was true wisdom and light. They were exposed to the sword. Exactly how do you think Islam came to India? It came by conquest. I'll grant that Muslims didn't start WW I, WW II or the holocaust (though they participated in the latter). But to deny that Islam spread over the centuries through violence, taking tens of millions of lives and enslaving others in the process, is to live in denial. Set aside the lies you've been taught and pick up a good book on the subject. "Islamic Imperialism - A History" by Ephraim Karsh is a good start.
15. wilders is right on!
oded   (12.16.08)
islam has a fundumental, built- in barbarism that is unmatched by any other religion. them millions of moslems , invading, peacfully, europe, will demand thier power in those countries soon enough. euroabia will face a mass civivl unrest and upheavel, a european initfiada. this may be the percurser for ww3.
16. Europe will wake up when it's too late
D   (12.16.08)
Islam does want to take over the world, they are doing it in Europe. This is NOT the only film warning us about this sick phenomenon. Wake up free world!!!
17.  the right of every country to keep its identity??
A Watcher ,   Canada   (12.16.08)
every country to keep its identity ...That's ironic...so Israel should've stayed Palestinian...and USA would be Indian ab-original I think Israel should kick him out
18. Geert Wilders is a real hero !
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19. welcome in Israel !
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20. To Muslim #1. You guys DID invade other people’s land.
Maansingh ,   The Netherlands   (12.16.08)
You say :” we did not start … the holocaust. “ You guys DID. Remember the grand-mufti of Jerusalem -- he went to Hitler in Germany and urged him strongly to kill the Jews. And that is when the gassing and burning of the Jews started during WW Two. BTW forget converting to Islam -- people are leaving Islam en-masse. Since the cowardly attack by Osama bin Laden on office buildings in New York filled with UNARMED office workers on 9/11 in 2001 -- more than 200 million Muslims left the Islam religion. The total of Muslims now one billion. (You should be thankful to that coward Bin Laden for the great service he has done for the Islam religion.) You say :” we did not invade other people's land like the turks,french ,britich did “. The Arab Muslims from Saudi Arabia conquered the ORIGINAL inhabitants of Algeria, conquered the ORIGINAL inhabitants of Morocco in the 7th and 8th century. So, you guys DID invade other people’s land. Arabs are NOT the original inhabitants of Algeria, Morocco. After this, the Arab Muslims conquered Spain. Again, Arabs are NOT the original inhabitants of Spain -- so, WHAT are you guys doing in Spain ??? You guys need a reality check. WHEN you want to see a terrorist -- you are advised to look in the mirror. You say :” in the judgement day”. Judgement is meted out by the Supreme Lord every day. What kind of nonsense are you speaking -- every day is a judgement day. WHAT to speak of every day -- every hour, every minute, every moment judgements are meted out by the Supreme Lord. WHAT do you think the Supreme Lord is -- an imbecile like you ?
21. islam was started as a violent cult and has not changed.
Bunnie Meyer ,   Los Angeles, CA USA   (12.16.08)
22. this reminds me of...
faisal ,   dubai, uae   (12.16.08)
the "anti - holocoust" conference held in tehran a while ago.
23. Politically incorrect,but right on the spot
Matityahu ,   Slovenia   (12.16.08)
Recent murders of critics of islam in europe speak volumes about this issue.Tolerance works both ways or it doesnt work at all.The fact that he needs to be guarded also speaks for itself.Too bad that everything associated with the right is considered vicious in eu politics while it should often be the opposite.
24. Tahi and other syncophants....
Mikesailor ,   Miami, FL   (12.16.08)
Hitler also had his own syncophants. Prescott Bush, George W's grandfather was one. As to repression of women, honor killings etc. look in the Torah and Talmud where you will find approbation and even commandments to commit, not only what would normally be considered crimes, but even genocide committed by Jews.( Try Leviticus, Deuteronomy and Joshua for starters). As to the Palestinian girl speaking of pigs and monkeys: if my family was continually harrased, their lands and property stolen, and death at the hands of Jews an ever-likely proposition, I would have even harsher words for my victimizers.
25. Wilders- should be Times man of 2009
DT ,   TA Isr   (12.16.08)
Give this man a medal. He talks absolute truth ! We need more like him !
26. not bad people but......
m ,   jerusalem   (12.16.08)
muslims are not bad people as a christian living in jerusalem and working at a muiticultural company that has jews , muslims and christians working together, i can see what this guy is talking about , no matter how educated muslims get if you ever dare to talk about religion they go crazy, we should just get rid of the whole thing
27. hmm
jerusalem   (12.16.08)
i actually went and looked for the verse that accusing peoples were saying about the calling who apes and pigs, since they happily gave the verse. all that it said was that-something equivalent to that the disbelieving jews were turned into apes and pigs as a punishment. people need to stop putting words into others mouths.
28. What conclusion to draw from Mr Wilders.
Terry ,   Eilat, Israel   (12.16.08)
We need to re-think our definition of what constitutes a religion and revise our beliefs about freedom of religion in that context.
29. confusing islam and panislamism.
Sarfati ,   Frejus France   (12.16.08)
Mr Wilders is confusing religion and ideology, islam and pan-islamism. The confusion is useful to the other ideology: anti-arabism. And by feed back useful to ...pan-islamism itself (look at some talkbacks) !! As he says, the young israelis are paying facing djihad for his quiteness in Europe. This would deserve a responsible answer open to their future, more than this simplist irresponsible conclusion. The responsible answer open to the future could be: Islam has to operate by itself its mutation toward modernity, just as Christianity, and more before, Judaism did. Take a look to the real past of both, and also to the text of the Bible: anihilation of peoples, stoning of wemen, and so on. Who says the insanity that the Bible is a 'fascist' book ??
30. Invade Land?
3abd allah ,   Kuala Lumpur malaysi   (12.16.08)
Let me prove you wrong, The country that has the most Muslims is Indonesia. Which Army went to Indonesia or even To Malaysia ?? It was spread because muslims went to the far east for trade and then they started to preach.. Plus when the prophet Muhammad had the quran revealed to him did he take his sword and fight the whole arabian peninsular ???? Think .
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