Top official: Decision on Gaza op made
Roni Sofer
Published: 21.12.08, 13:05
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1. Why?
moshe ,   ashkelon israel   (12.21.08)
Do the "palestinian" terrorists seek international legitimization before they fire their rockets at us? And do they get it?
2. What this means.............
Wise Saba ,   Western Negev   (12.21.08)
is that Oldmerd, Livni & Barach will do nothing. We are sitting ducks here & our government isn't doing it's job. I would like to know what Bibi would do.
3. Pigs!
Ricardo Macher ,   KarneiShomron Israel   (12.21.08)
Olmert, Livni and Barak are laughing at the people of Israel! They are well protected and have their children outside Israel. They are plain pigs and should be treated like that. Mazzuz is as ineffective as they are, he is afraid to declare Olmert not capable of making decisions, I prefer not to think why! I'm coming from a Third World Country, but over there people don't permit government to mock them, this is not democracy! This is playing with the life and money of everybody!
4. Need to ask permission to from the International community?
Talula ,   Israel   (12.21.08)
Oh dear. Yet another big faux pas by the government. Do Hamas seek international legitimization for lobbing rockets into Sedrot and the south? International law allows us to fire back. Role on February, can't wait to see the back of these Losers.
5. It's all for show, just to deflect criticism.
Terry ,   Eilat, Israel   (12.21.08)
This is no military response, it's a PR effort. Artillary aimed at empty fields, bombing empty buildings, advance warning to targets, all to be played up big by the media. A make-believe war by make-believe leaders in a make-believe gov't. These people can't be trusted. And you can be sure that the international media, the UN, various jerk politicians in the West, all the left-wing loonies in the various NGO's, assorted peace-creeps, will all be making noises to stop. Watch the reaction from our phoney peace partner Abbas & his moderate terrorists - the rhetoric will make this sound like WWII on the Eastern Front. I'm not advocating the re-occupation of Gaza or totally destroying Hamas. Our morons are perfectly capable of handing Gaza over to Abbas on a silver platter, courtesy of the IDF, at the cost of our soldiers' lives. This collection of serial bunglers has manuevered us into a lose-lose situation .......
6. As soon as the US,UK,UN,EU, (etc.)
Gideon Reader   (12.21.08)
...says it's OK. Well THEN it will be a go. Maybe. Possibly.Prehaps,...or not. Well I say there is *nothing* like watching bright competent leaders working together as they manage the affaris of state. Fast, steady and firm decisions made rapidly with the BIG picture and effect upon the nation's and it's people in mind. And then keeping the results of vital decisions that will effect the military echelon as safe as secret as is possible & away from open view of any persons wishing to compromise the action, far away from discovering harmfull intelligence. Another fine job. And a *really* good reason to return those kakistocrats to office. What? You say that there was NO INTELLIGENCE involved in this decision of the Kadima Kidz Krazy Government? Hmmmm.Yeah. You are spot on. None at all.
7. yes
leslie ,   yerushalayim   (12.21.08)
they seem to get it but they don;t bother requesting it
8. Don't bother: Too Little Too Late
Lawrence ,   Safed Israel   (12.21.08)
Don't do us any favours.Hamas and co are not Israels' problem ,Israel is Israels' it out.
9. #5 You Are Right ,Hollywood Play
Lawrence ,   Safed Israel   (12.21.08)
A few stuntmen and special effects,some Pyrotechnics good camera angles some good hard fast throbbing music for the soundtrack and we have a production by olmert and Barak studios...starring Brad Pitt and Sylvester stallone and special appearance by Marlon" I could have been a contender' Brando as Barak.
10. Sounds like process structured to restrain action
Raymond in DC ,   Washington, DC USA   (12.21.08)
It was Sharon, attempting to justify the withdrawal from Gaza, who insisted that Israel would now be free to act in response to aggression from Gaza. Yet now it needs "international legitimization" (aka "permission") to act? Moreover, "scaled response" to any terror attack belies Israel's earlier insistence it would retake the initiative. And targeting Islamic Jihad while avoiding Hamas just seems gutless. Finally, the need to get approval for any action from that feckless trio (Olmert, Livni and Barak) is a recipe for paralysis. It's obvious they want to look like they're doing something while actually not.
11. international legitimization
Marcel ,   Florida   (12.21.08)
After the crimes against humanity of Hamas you need permission,legitimization ? How base Isral's leaders are. The translation of this term is ; Israel's leadership are more interested in begging for permission from the biased against Israel crooks of the West. Olmert,Livni and Barak do not serve Israel's interests but the international agenda which is more concerned about carving up Israel for no peace. They have no concern that Islamic terrorists fire missiles into Israeli cities. Thye are only concerned about Jewish homebuilding on thei land and that is all that concerns Olmert,Livni and Barak.
12. Another one of our problems is
Talula ,   Israel   (12.21.08)
our lack of International Public Relations. It's really REALLY bad! The powers that be are useless in getting across the message from the people in the south and Israel as a whole, to the four corners of the globe. Our international PR needs to be far more judicious and utterly relentless. We should be using shock tactics including graphic images – ALL THE TIME! We wouldn't have to justify ourselves or ask for ‘permission’ to launch an attack of Gaza if we did. People on the outside see Tel Avivian's parading down the promenade laughing and joking and think we all have it good - then they see the Palestinians, crying and hungry. They'll win the PR war hands down everytime. Someone is doing a very bad job in separating our angst and the constant existential threat and our need to carry on living normal lives.
13. #9 Nah! you are the whiney voice over.
Talula ,   Israel   (12.21.08)
14. # 2 Bibi Would Do Same As The Others
Lawrence ,   Safed Israel   (12.21.08)
Useless waste of space .Bibi is just as bad,cut from the same cloth .He is all promise but can only deliver disappointment and pain.Voters be aware.
15. Amazing How Upcoming Election
Lawrence ,   Safed Israel   (12.21.08)
Concentrates the mind.
16. Soldiers Will Die For Nothing
Lawrence ,   Safed Israel   (12.21.08)
Don't enter the trap which is Gaza.
17. international legitimisation for an operation
zionist forever   (12.21.08)
Is Israel an independent state or not, if it needs to get permision from foreign government to take action to defend its citizens. If thats what independence means these days in israel then we dont deserve the country and we should give it to the arabs who want a country where they will make the rules and not go running to other countries to tell them what decisions they are or are not allowed to make. We all know the rest of the world loves the arabs and will take their side no mater what they do to us but we go running to them for permision to defend Israeli citizens from rocket attacks. What happens if permision isnt granted do we say to the residents of Sderot and Ashkelon sorry guys your just going to have to learn to live with daily rocket fire becase this government is not going to do anything to defed you. Will we wait for a ricket to land on a school or till they increase the range of the rockets even further and they hit a plane taking off from Ben Gurion Airport? The attitude of this regiime towards the security of Israeli citizens can be called criminal & Olmert, Livni & Barak should be standing trial for treason and occupying the cells that those terrorists that have been released as goodwill gestures used to stay in. I have alot more respect for even Hamas than I do this regime.
18. We can't invade Gaza ....
Terry ,   Eilat, Israel   (12.21.08)
There are no more Jews to evict.
19. The wisdom of W.T. SHERMAN
mike cato ,   USA   (12.21.08)
At this point it is essential to remind the weak-kneed Olmert and his clique of cowards, of the wisdom of W.T. Sherman , General of the Army of the Republic, American Civil War: 1. "War is cruelty. There is no use trying to refute it.The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over." 2. "Every attempt to make war easy and safe, will result in humiliation and defeat."
20. A lie repeated often enough can become believable.
Robert Bernier ,   Tel Aviv   (12.21.08)
In the tradition of Goebbels, whose approach was that a lie repeated often enough can become believable, the Hamas web site is bringing hearing aids for Gaza children whose hearing has been impaired by... rockets that Israel is firing at Arab villages in Gaza. It may be hard to imagine that after eight years of Gazans firing Kassam rockets at Sderot and the Western Negev, the support network, now firmly established in Gaza, will try to convey the opposite message, and convince the world that Israel is murdering the children of Gaza. To understand what is a irreconcilable enemy :
21. 16 we don't have to enter Gaza
Israel   (12.21.08)
It's enough to strategically bomb them from the air - twenty-four hours a day - non stop bombing.
22. Response
Mark ,   Israel   (12.21.08)
Mike Cato, the quotes are apt applicable and brilliant. What a pity it is then that the phony leaders that are our lot are too lacking in intelligence and courage to heed them
23. Decision made? To do nothing, of course
Laura ,   Israel   (12.21.08)
Yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap... While Israeli citizens in the western Negev are under daily attack and the rest of the country is under threat of annihilation, all this "government" of clowns, buffoons, miscreants and imbeciles can do is yap. When will the IDF come to its senses??!!
24. Gaza op
Marilyn ,   USA   (12.21.08)
In this, it's not the sort of thing that many would give a blessing to go into. First the thinking is is that strong military action is basically a sin, and also one can easily envision mothers screaming over their children and such. Also all it takes is for one Pilot to get shot down and be kidnapped. Lastly they usually don't turn out the way that it is hoped. There has to be other ways of stopping such as permanent imprisionment or deportation of guilty parties or something involving technology.
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