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Tel Aviv recruits gay athletes for 2009 World Outgames
Yoav Zeitun
Published: 26.12.08, 15:14
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31. double trouble
Straits ,   london   (12.28.08)
WTF you gays want to be treated normal and equal, then you have separate events to flaunt your special trait - what a double standard.
32. Add some Arabs
Moshe ,   Jerusalem   (12.28.08)
I hope they add some Israeli gay Arabs to the team
33. "What a sad commentary etc etc...."
Danny Fields ,   New York, NY   (12.28.08)
Mr. or Ms. Baruch, Your putative "righteousness" is a sad commentary on your mind, morals, consciousness, conscience, sensitivity, and your own "moral values," which are the values of hate and Nazism. May you become englightened (a dubious expectation), or may your spirit, legacy and all reminders of your vile existence emit a stink in the afterlife even more sickening than they do here on earth. Danny Fields New York City
34. #29, gay Mike
Baruch ,   Boston, USA   (12.28.08)
I didn't say that every Jew who looks religious is leading a righteous life. But the lifestyle advocated by Judaism is righteous and most live that way. No-one is perfect and every Jew struggles to keep the mitzvot properly. The lifestyle advocated by GLBT's is immoral and unnatural, and ALL are living that lifestyle. It does not belong in the land that HaShem gave back to us. And to #11, with no name, the seculars who gave blood for Israel's independence were most assuredly not GLBT. If you told the pioneers in 1948 that 60 years later their descendants would advocate such a screwed up lifestyle, they might not have fought so hard, or at all.
35. to Baruch
Mike ,   Tel Aviv   (12.28.08)
Back in 1948, my grandparents were two of those pioneers (surviving the Holocaust), and they couldn't be more proud about the person I am today. So before you make blanket statements like the one you just did, i suggest you think before you speak.
36. # 31
"WTF you gays want to be treated normal and equal, then you have separate events to flaunt your special trait - what a double standard" - While the opportunity of "Gay Games" might be discussed, your remark is not entirely valid and the same could be said about the "Jewish Games", the Maccabiah Games, held in Israel every 4 years and to which only Jewish athletes can take part... Hmmm...would you also write "WTF you Jews want to be treated normal and equal, then you have separate events to flaunt your special trait - what a double standard" ?? Life is not always THAT simple...
37. # 34, "Baruch" in BOS
ELALBLUE ,   gva-Switzerland   (12.29.08)
* "The lifestyle advocated by GLBT's is immoral and unnatural (...)" - How can it be "unnatural" when it is the result of nature itself...? * "It does not belong in the land that HaShem gave back to us." - HaShem gave back the land...but without the sacrifice of thousands of young men and women, there would be no Jewish State in that promised land. - Why do you keep saying "back to us", while you are sitting thousands of km away in peaceful MA? * "(...) the seculars who gave blood for Israel's independence were most assuredly not GLBT." - ?????!!! This is purely ridiculous. Of course there were, and there still are, gay and lesbian soldiers in the IDF as well as there were in the pre-State military forces. Maybe you should wake up and confront some realities of the world... * "If you told the pioneers in 1948 that 60 years later their descendants would advocate such a screwed up lifestyle, they might not have fought so hard, or at all. " - You have no right whatsoever to speak in the name of anyone else, especially so when you do not belong at all to the group of society you try to speak for. - There are many negative aspects in today's Israel for which you might think the same thing...
38. Baruch , NO NAME in 11 .
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (12.29.08)
look at my 14 . Yes those 6000 were mostly secular , if not anti religious . That's a fact nobody can discuss . And statistically , there should have been a number of GLBT amongst them .
39. Denmark's the place for them. MOVE there, you'll love it!
Paqid Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (12.29.08)
40. Hang in there Baruch!
Larry ,   USA   (12.29.08)
Stick to your guns, buddy! Ynet would not publish my earlier TB ' cause it was too close to the truth!
41. about the gay's and Tel-Aviv
Jules Gilbert ,   Boston, MA. USA   (12.29.08)
America is about to enter a depression, and people here ignore how the US has changed, ie., that for the first time in our history we don't seem to push gay's back into the closet, that we ("we", in the US,) pass laws giving them privileges in jobs, housing and social circumstances that no straight person has. (In the US, our courts have held that gay's are a minority and have special rights, just as legitimate minorities, such as women, blacks, religious groups, etc., do.) Well, maybe now is a good time to point out that the G_d of the Bible hates queer's. He made that very clear to every reader of Leviticus. And through out Scripture we see examples of his punishment of Israel for ignoring his ordinances, in fact, Isaiah warned us that the Babylonians were coming (more than 65 years before the fact,) in an effort to encourage the Jewish people of that day to repent. Now, take heart -- our G_d promises that Israel will never again fall. (So you can expect to see Israeli real estate prices continue to rise!, it's the only country (and land,) that is promised not to falter or fail.) And we would be able to plow over Gaza and be at peace with the residents of the West Bank were we to stop the ugly practices of gay's. Supporting, even simply allowing homosexuals is an affront to our G_d. Don't embarrass him, make him proud -- how? By pushing such people back in the closet. Yes, it's true, nature, though made by G_d, frequently exhibit's a bell curve, a spectrum of differences. But for people who find themselves outside the main, don't taunt G_d, be single. You can still have a rich life! When you look at the problems we have with Hamas, and even with the PLO, isn't it clear that only HaShem can help us (make no mistake, I think we are doing exactly as we should by killing those in Hamas!,) but HaShem is the answer -- not tolerating homosexuals.
42. Too much censorship!
Larry ,   USA   (12.30.08)
Thanks, but no thanks. Ynet is too narrow minded in the realm of free thinkers.
43. Give the Poofs a chance.
R Hitchings ,   Methil   (12.30.08)
It will give Jews many more chances of winning medals that "The Olympic Games"
44. 39 , maybe you show them the way ?
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (12.30.08)
you seem to know this subject very well .
45. I am proud. I made a decision to became gay and never looked
Yaakov Sullivan ,   NYC   (12.30.08)
back. For me spirituality and gayness go together. Good luck to my fellow gay community.
46. Yaakov's Freudian slip
Baruch ,   Boston, USA   (12.31.08)
Interesting that he "made a decision to become gay". The gay mantra is that it is not a decision, but what you are born as and can't control. It's pure BS, but few gays will admit it.
47. Baruch , Boston : this yacub your reference ?
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (12.31.08)
Taking this yacub as a reference only shows your LOW degree of intellect . I'm sorry for you .
48. Charles, #47, what are you talking about?
Baruch ,   Boston, USA   (01.01.09)
I was responding to Sullivan's #45. I think it's clear that you are the one with a LOW degree of intellect. But, I'm not sorry for you. I'm sorry for anyone that reads your crap and takes you seriously.
49. Baruch , i call this # 45 yakub
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (01.01.09)
Because he is'n Jewish . Have'nt you read other of my tb's to him/her ? try to be smart for once , not as stupid as you always show us .
50. #49, Charles, he's Yaakov if he says he is
Baruch ,   Boston, USA   (01.01.09)
You change his name to something he doesn't use, and then call me "stupid" for not going along with it? Please, I know you don't like what I say, and you think gays are okay, but stop using insulting language because my opinion differs from yours. I think that when a man gets into bed with another man, calls it "sex", and thinks we should honor that relationship, even to the point of marriage, he is screwed up. That's my opinion and the opinion of millions of other people.
51. Outgames are open to heterosexuals too
David ,   Vermont, USA   (01.01.09)
The ynet article contains a factual error. In fact the Outgames are indeed open to all -- including heterosexuals. Below is a quote from the Outgames website : "World Outgames 2009 welcomes participants for sports, the LGBT Human Rights conference and our culture program regardless of their sexual orientation, race, nationality or religious affiliation."
52. Baruch ,
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (01.01.09)
He stole his Jewish name , and i call him often yacub . Regarding my comment . Taken this guy as an example : "i choose to be gay" as being true for all the gays , or something to justify your ideas [ that being Gay is a choice , not genetical ] This is not serious and not smart . There are scientific studies , and they are relevant , not a declaration of one . He is not a reference , certainly not he . Regarding your position about gays , i know it . You are a believing person , that's a reason . As long it are two CONSENTING ADULTS , no problem for me . Who are we to judge them? You as a believing person should know it . For you only Hashem can judge , so don't take His place .
53. Tel Aviv / Gay Athlete Recruiting
Tim Mayer ,   San Simeon, USA   (01.03.09)
The people making negative comments need to keep it to themselves. The GAY GAMES are for GAY people and not for intolerant, arrogant, inconsiderate, ignorant, and unkind people. Thank you. That is my GAY opinion.
54. Number 1 is forgetting...
Arik ,   London, UK   (01.07.09)
...that gay and lesbian Israelis pay taxes that support religious families in their study/ eating/ reproducing and go to the army to defend them from our enemies...they could always refuse to accept their free welfare payments and do national service themselves if they are that worried
55. go boys & girls u r winners!
hetero granny! ,   Jeursalem   (01.13.09)
56. whoosh!!! y net where did u find all the homophobes!
send them 2 get ,   educated!   (01.13.09)
57. to 1: I don't see you back in eretz yisrael
itay ,   hertzlia, Israel   (01.14.09)
so whay does this story concerns you?
58. #34 -
MTB ,   New Haven, CT   (01.14.09)
Sit in your Boston Home, with your PC and pass judgements? The Torah did not teach you that, and if you are so ignorant as to believe that only straight men and women have fought for Israel then you are just a closed minded man with no real intelligence or ability to think for yourself. Homosexuality did not just spring up in Israel after 1948. It may surprise you to find out that through Israel's history gay men and women existed, we worked side by side, we fought side by side, we prayed side by side with all others. You're comment reflects an ignornance that truly brings shame to Israel, so sit in your Boston home and pass judgements without information, but do it silently so not to embarass the rest of Israel.
59. Tel Aviv recruits gay athletes for 2009 World Outgames
josef szmuda ,   los angeles USA   (02.25.09)
GAY AVEK! josef szmuda
60. I'll never forget what Greg Louganis said
Ypip ,   Canada   (03.17.09)
to us at an '85 warm-up. "If you knock your head off of the platform, just enjoy all of the pretty rainbows." (he was joking)
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