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Barak says Gaza partially besieged
Attila Somfalvi
Published: 05.01.09, 14:14
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1. The international legal concept of proportionality.
Robert Bernier ,   Tel Aviv   (01.05.09)
What was critical from the standpoint of international law was that if the attempt had been made "to minimize civilian damage, then even a strike that causes large amounts of damage - but is directed at a target with very large military value - would be lawful." Numbers matter less than the purpose of the use of force. Israel has argued that it is specifically targeting facilities serving the Hamas regime and its determined effort to continue its rocket assault on Israel: headquarters, training bases, weapons depots, command and control networks, and weapons-smuggling tunnels. This way Israel is respecting the international legal concept of proportionality. The respect of international law (2 parts) : http://xrl.us/bebdpb
2. Mr. Barak, They're Still Shooting
Esther ,   Ofarim, Israel   (01.05.09)
Nothing is won until Hamas stops shooting rockets and until Gilad Shalit is home. Until then, this is an all out war.
3. Call up all reserves and get ready..The enemy smells War
Al   (01.05.09)
The enemy in the north smells war and at the very least is about to unleash its rockets. The sec Israel will show weakness, they will attack. Its the just the start of the fight. You're in the third round of a 15 round slugfest. Stay strong, be determined and never allow the enemy the upper hand. Fight them with vigor and resolve. The enemy must know that you will not play the PC game. Also finally stop playing the patsy on international TV. Do not apoligise for anything. This is War and in war the blood hounds must be allowed to do their job. May G-d protect you all.
4. Bush: "We Seek Security and Peace for Our Allies,
Norway   (01.05.09)
THE FREE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL!" President Bush said: "This recent outburst of violence was instigated by Hamas a Palestinian terrorist group supported by Iran and Syria that calls for Israel's destruction. Eighteen months ago, Hamas took over the Gaza Strip in a coup, and since then has imported thousands of guns and rockets and mortars. Egypt brokered a ceasefire between Hamas and Israel, but Hamas routinely violated that ceasefire by launching rockets into Israel. On December 19th, Hamas announced an end to the ceasefire and soon unleashed a barrage of rockets and mortars that deliberately targeted innocent Israelis - - an act of terror that is opposed by the legitimate leader of the Palestinian people, President Abbas." (???) http://www.whitehouse.gov:80/news/releases/2009/01/20090102-3.html Abbas Praises Suicide Bombers, Foreign Media Downplay Remarks. Foreign media generally omitted Abbas's remarks on martyrs, which usually refers to suicide bombers, and highlighted his comments on the need for PA unity. ABBAS: We will continue on Arafat's path until Palestinian state formed. The path of the shahids—Arafat, George Habash and Sheikh Ahmed Yassin—is the path that we cherish." http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/128343 Abbas REJECTS PEACE, Welcomes Terrorists http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/127332 Hamas, Al-Qaeda Threaten Jewish Targets Abroad FATAH: Call for a "Day of Rage". http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/129193 "PLO HAS NOT CHANGED ITS PLATFORM EVEN ONE IOTA" Abbas Zaki, PA Representative in Lebanon: "The PLO Proceeds Through Phases, Without Changing, http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD189608 GAZA: Is within the boundaries of Shevet Yehuda! The earliest settlement of the area is by Avraham and Yitzhak, both of whom lived in the Gerar area of Gaza. This is the inheritance of the tribe of the children of Judah according to their families. Ashdod with her towns and her villages, Gaza with her towns and her villages, Joshua 15:20,47 And it shall be a lot for the remnant of the house of Judah, whereupon they shall pasture. In the houses of Ashkelon they shall lie down in the evening,* *The Redemption from the hordes of GOG & MAGOG will also take place, "TOWARDS THE EVENING" (Zec. 14:7). for the Lord their God shall visit upon them and return their captivity. Zephaniah 2:6-7 Tzephaniah's prophecy of their future devastation is a promise to Israel that if they will follow the path of repentance God will punish their wicked neighbors. KNOW YOUR BIBLE http://www.azamra.org/NaCh.shtml
5. asuuu
arief ,   indonesia   (01.05.09)
israel is the real wild animal
6. ALLAH WITH GAZA
GAZA VICTORY ,   GAZA   (01.05.09)
HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS ALLA WITH YOU oH GAZA PEOPLE VICTORY FOR ISLAM VICTORY FOR HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS
7. Whole Palestine occupied since 1948, we see how it happened
Hanz ,   Texas   (01.05.09)
Jewish occupation is committing this amount unparalleled of terror in front of TV cameras in just one terror campaign in Palestine. This makes many people to wonder about the amount of terror that Palestine has seen on the hands of Jewish terror gangs in the 1930s and 1940s to expel Palestinians and take their lands, especially when there was no cameras to show the world those crimes.
8. So much spin I'm getting dizzy.
Terry ,   Eilat, Israel   (01.05.09)
Never take our politician's statements at face value. These people cannot be trusted. There is always an ulterior motive behind the verbiage, much left un-said, much deliberately distorted.
9. I agree with #3:DO NOT APOLOGIZE FOR ANYTHING!
Keren ,   Israel-SP   (01.05.09)
When one is right, he/she/they do not need to fear!
10. #6 As always,the comments comming from philis are very
Keren ,   Israel-SP   (01.05.09)
critical and inteligent. Keep on trying to deliver your message-the world will ultimately understand the meaning of backwardness and primitiveness you are so hard trying to spread! When culture,science,love for humanity ,them all are transformed (G'od forbid)in a big stage for camels riding, then,who knows, people wake up for the danger we all are facing..
11. #6
SBK ,   Hong Kong   (01.05.09)
Look at the following article to see the true face of your beloved terrorist organisation: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,475226,00.html
12. The history of Gaza is not as superficial.
Jo   (01.05.09)
try reading before 1850s. Many (but far from all) of those in Gaza hailed from Askelon, but before that? Egypt. Coming with the Egyptian invasion of the 1830s of Pasha Ibrahim Ali. The southern south you go the more the population's origins are related to Egypt and this invasion. The black bedoin tribes are the descendants of the slaves they brought with them. So Egypt has more historic responsibility than they admit. Go deeper and you find Jewish history too. The events now can only be blamed on Hamas alone. It is sad that they choose war but predicable given their idealogy.
13. hanz
(01.05.09)
give texas back to the mexicans
14. #7
chaim ,   Israel   (01.05.09)
Before you can talk about occupation, you better look in your own occupied land grab. From the poor underpriviliged and abused Mexicans. Then again, against Hawaiian Monarch, but the biggest of all the the entire North America. You tore it away from the indians, gave them disease and shoved them on a reservation.
15. #7 is not in Texas and his name isn't Hanz.
vit ,   usa   (01.05.09)
16. Hanz
Pedro ,   taos   (01.05.09)
Hanz knows that Israel was attacked by 7 arab armies and that the Mufti of Jerusalem lead attacks and massacres against Jewish populations, and called for their "extermination" since he was open and active supporter of the Nazis (including visits to concentration camps). Of course Hanz, you are in Texas. I wonder what American Indians can tell us about Anglo terror, gangs, occupation, and stealing land, resources, and dignity? Would the Mexicans have any similar stories about Germans in Mexico, Hanz?
17. FINISH THE JOB
Marcel ,   Florida   (01.05.09)
Israel showed restraint towards Hamas rockets for years and tried the failed diplomatic approach and this only emboldened Hamas .Now that Israel goes into Gaza to end the rockets the anti-Israel Hamas fan club comes to their aid in calling for another worthless ceasefire. It troubles the International community that Israel defends themselves ,they would much rather see the Jews once again headed for slaughter without a fight. The cry against Israel about disproportionate force is another attempt to restrain Israel from doing what it must do. If the West had used intense efforts to halt Hamas firing of rockets and mortars into Isrsaeli cities there would be no war in Gaza. They did nothing except their standard minimal protests .. Once again the West sat on its hands and gave the Islamic terrorists a pass as they have done with Sudan in Darfur for all these years. Now they want to blame Israel for what is the sole responsibility of Hamas.Now thay Hamas is headed for their grave they get busy Hamas uses the Palestinian civilians as human shelids to attack Israel and we are supposed to point the finger at Israel for this tragedy ? No, the blame lies completely with Hamas. If they had not chosen to fire rockets into Israel NONE of this would have happened. I say it again ,THE BLAME LIES SOLELY WITH HAMAS.
18. #8
chaim ,   Arad   (01.05.09)
Terry, this whole Gaza thing makes me nervous. We need to do this, and I have trust in the IDF and more so in the God of Israel. But, this government is something to be concerned about. Seems as if we have been to this movie before and was yanked out of it before it was over. So, yes, I understand your dizzyness.
19. #14
Marty ,   USA   (01.05.09)
Chaim, you should be ashamed of yourself. Your ignorant rant ranks below much of the garbage printed by the Hamas sympathizers. If you really believe that "Hanz" is actually an American then you truly are tipesh. Considering that the United States is one of your country's only friends in the world, you should keep your shtuyot to yourself. How many F-15's and F-16's do you think the Mexicans, Indians or the Hawaiian Monarch would sell you?
20. The smell of defeat worries the Arab street
Marcel ,   Florida   (01.05.09)
Israel showed restraint towards Hamas rockets for years and tried the failed diplomatic approach and this only emboldened Hamas .Now that Israel goes into Gaza to end the rockets the anti-Israel Hamas fan club comes to their aid in calling for another worthless ceasefire. It troubles the International community that Israel defends themselves ,they would much rather see the Jews once again headed for slaughter without a fight. The cry against Israel about disproportionate force is another attempt to restrain Israel from doing what it must do. If the West had used intense efforts to halt Hamas firing of rockets and mortars into Isrsaeli cities there would be no war in Gaza. They did nothing except their standard minimal protests .. Once again the West sat on its hands and gave the Islamic terrorists a pass as they have done with Sudan in Darfur for all these years. Now they want to blame Israel for what is the sole responsibility of Hamas.Now thay Hamas is headed for their grave they get busy Hamas uses the Palestinian civilians as human shelids to attack Israel and we are supposed to point the finger at Israel for this tragedy ? No, the blame lies completely with Hamas. If they had not chosen to fire rockets into Israel NONE of this would have happened.
21. #18
Marty ,   USA   (01.05.09)
I couldn't agree more. What ever happened to fighting until VICTORY was achieved by the enemy's TOTAL AND UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER! Today, nobody in the Israel government even utters the word victory. Today, they talk of fighting for "ceasefires" secured by "international monitors." There's a formula for success, if I ever saw one. If WWII were fought by the Allies the way Israel's government fought Lebanon 2006 and is fighting in Gaza now, everybody but the Jews would be speaking German now.
22. If you want to free Palestine-
Gaza's citizent ,   Gaza   (01.05.09)
-we must defeat Hamas. THE PALESTINIANS WANTED TO BE SEPARATED FROM ISRAEL. NOW GAZA'S NO LONGER PART OF ISRAEL... and things are worse then ever. hamas is destoying palestine. it's time others understood that.
23. #7
menachem ,   switzerland   (01.05.09)
The name says a lot. HANS
24. lebanon war different story
m ,   jerusalem   (01.05.09)
Ok Israel is doing very well against people that can't manuever more than 1 sq. kilometer, have primitive weapons, don't have an airforce or anything close to a tank. Thats why this operation has been so easy for the IDF. If it was a difficult task for the IDF then somthing would be wrong because Israel does have a powerful army, it's a well known fact. Unfortunately for Israel Hizballah can move around and can cross in an out of 3 other borders, and does have weapons against aircrafts and against tanks, so if I were in Israel i'd let the Palis' fire their firecrackers at the south , cause lets face it they 're not really that harmful and only a handful of israelis have been hurt by them , while the hizballah rockets injure and kill not only the israeli forces but the innocent civilians as well. So i think israel needs to have a double strategy here
25. Barak and his "ground objectives "
DT ,   TA Isr   (01.05.09)
..but Hamas still exists ! Anything less than the total removal of Hamas will be the "second defeat " for Israel
26. Hanz, let me explain Jordan is Palestine
Salvador ,   USA   (01.05.09)
Israel is Israel since 5000 years ago. Hanz where is fritz?
27. Partially besieged?, what that nut says
(01.05.09)
So, Israel have loosen its tightened grip and Gaza has now changes from the status of complete to partially besieged.
28. WE CAN'T DEFEAT HAMAS
JOEY LUCCIANO ,   NYC UNITED STATES   (01.05.09)
NO MATTER WHAT ISRAELI MEDIA IS TELLING US ( 1 IDF DEAD, ROCKETS AN'T DOING MUCH), THEY ARE TELLING US THIS SO WE STAY STRONG AND FIRMLY BEHIND THEM. I LOOKED INTO SOME ARABIC WEBSITES AND THEY SHOW DEAD BODIES OF IDF (MANY), ALSO ALOT OF DAMAGED BUILDINGS IN ISRAEL. ON AL JAZEERA THEY ALSO HAVE MANY MEMBERS OF HAMAS SAYING WHERE KILLING MANY IDF AND THAT THE IDF IS JUST KILLING CIVILIANS. OPEN THE CROSSING BEFORE THE DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL COMES.
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