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Europe fears spike in anti-Semitism over Gaza
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Published: 07.01.09, 13:03
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1. This is the time to make an 'Aliya'...
Nir   (01.07.09)
2. Anti-Semitic?
Eleonora ,   Sweden   (01.07.09)
Arabs are also semitic, so violence against them should also be seen as anti-semitic.
3. Eleonora, regarding anti-semitism
Tahl ,   Ashdod, Israel   (01.07.09)
Indeed the word "semitic" means people indigenous to this region, however the term "antisemitic" was coined some very long time ago, and its reference was exclusive to Jews. It was some German professor who wanted to define his Jew-hatred in a more "scientific" term (probably to make Jew-hatred sound more politically-correct) so he came up with this term. Evidently, it caught very well. And while scientifically "semitic" indeed means all people of this region, it is common knowledge that this term is used exclusively in an anti-Jewish context. So for all practical purposes, anti-semitism means Jew-hatred. It is not rare that expressions are not identical with their etymologic meaning. Nevertheless, as this argument that you evoked starts gaining more and more popularity nowadays, it is now my personal preference to use "Jew hatred" instead of "antisemitism". This pulls the rug from beneath this argument. Furthermore, it is also worth noting that many antisemites or Jew-haters worldwide call themselves "anti-Israelis", as it is a politically correct excuse for venting their hatred to Jews. But in reality, it is almost synonymous, being an Israel-hater is almost the same as being an Jew-hater. Granted that there are some odd Jews in the world who deny their connection to Israel (Neturei Karta, Satmer), and granted that Europe has some strange extreme leftist Jews who love to regularly criticize Israel (mostly in Britain). However they constitute a small, unreprestative part of Judaism. In the bottom line, Judaism = support for Israel = Zionism. I hope I shed some illuminating light on this subject for you.
4. Eleonora - kidding, naive or stupid?
Uzi ,   UK   (01.07.09)
Dear Eleonora, Whilst you are technically correct, about the origin of Semites, you should know that the term is synonymous to 'anti-Jewish' and in fact, in most cases it actually means 'anti-Israeli'. For this reason, you can find many 'anti-Semitic' Jews too, mostly in what's called 'the left'
5. Eleanora
Mikesailor ,   Miami, FL   (01.07.09)
As for definitions you are entirely correct. But you must remember that no matter what crimes Jews may be guilty of, to call them other than victims or not accept the primacy of their victimhood is per se antisemitic. For instance, a Jew may advocate for the transfer or killing of all Arabs and in Israel he will be elected to the Knesset. If he is a terrorist, he will be elected prime minister. But if anyone crtitcizes Israel he is automatically anti-Jewish.
6. Eleonora - Mikesailor is your example
Uzi ,   UK   (01.07.09)
I was waiting for an example to show what I meant by an anti-Semitic Jew and sure enough Mikesailor has provided it (thank you Mike). Mike is a clear example of the lowest form of anti-Semitic Jew. I wish him what he wishes us.
7. Medias incite
Walt K ,   Sherbrooke, Canada   (01.07.09)
anti-semitism. They become sucessful because they provoque feelings of pity and guilty on westerners. Each time IDF do something, medias show young arabs throwing rocks. They also used to call «handcraft» for diminish the dangers of palestinian bombs...
8. Better Out Than In
Lawrence ,   Safed Israel   (01.07.09)
Which jew-hater fancies a nuclear bomb smashed in to their face? speak up you cowardly pieces of trash.
9. Europe Is Terminally ill
Lawrence ,   Safed Israel   (01.07.09)
They are dead men walking.Europe has no future,they just are unable to see it.It could not happen to a nicer bunch.
10. You mean , fighing?
moriah ,   sacto, ca   (01.07.09)
Governments, Jewish organizations concerned that "figuring" in Gaza could lead to surge
11. The BBC incites people-
Mark ,   Boston   (01.07.09)
Other media outlets as well. They are inciting people to violence and hatred.
12. Europe has made its choice, doesn't realize consequences
Raymond in DC ,   Washington, DC USA   (01.08.09)
Despite the crimes committed against their brethren, Europe was home to a million or so Jews, peaceful and productive. Then it decided to welcome millions of Muslims - not so peaceful, not so productive. And as those Muslims grow in numbers, their hatred and values are indulged, and the Jews are increasingly marginalized and under threat. (I read today of a school in Denmark that won't admit Jewish children "for their own safety".) And one day, a generation or so from now, Europe will realize that most of its Jews are gone and the land has become... Eurabia.
13. raymond
Kinga ,   Dublin Ireland   (01.08.09)
The majority of these attacks are not being carried out by native europeans but arab and muslim immigrants, tensions between native europeans and arabs and muslims are just as high, israels population is 20 % arab and growing so maybe israel wont survive either demographically,
14. UK and France part of Eurabia already
Efroim ,   Washington DC   (01.08.09)
Hope Germany doesnt go down that filthy road... London looks like Casablanca already. The Islamic radicals OPENLY incite against the british leaders. I would throw them out of the land back to their caves.
15. There is a spike of antiSemitism in Europe, allright...
AK   (01.08.09)
but it isn't over Gaza.
16. Well...
Azrael ,   Sweden   (01.08.09)
Both Judaism and Islam are also political movements so tension between the groups doesn't seem to be odd at this time.
17. People critical of Sweden's actions = Anti-Lutherans
Erik Hansson ,   Göteborg, Sweden   (01.08.09)
It seems to be quite common among pro-Israelis to have this amazingly stupid defintion as expressed by Rabbi Levi Brackman: "There are two types of Westerners who have been critical of Israel’s defensive actions in Gaza this week: Anti-Semites and some in the so-called Jewish intellectual elite." http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3649153,00.html I am myself extremely critical of Israel’s "defensive actions" but I couldn't care less for the actual religion or what sort of people that live in Israel - my criticism would be exactly the same if Israel was populated by Buddhist Australians and not the Jewish nation.. So please, please skip Rabbi Levi Brackman's crap definition of Anti-Semitism... One more time: I have nothing against Jews, Lutherans, Buddhists or any other religious people, it is the actions performed by the Israeli cabinet that I have very much against. Comprende this..?
18. So you are critical of Sweden’s actions? Does that make you
Erik Hansson ,   Gothenburg, Sweden   (01.08.09)
It seems to be quite common (?) among pro-Israelis to have this amazing defintion of Anti-Semitism as it was expressed by Rabbi Levi Brackman the other day: "There are two types of Westerners who have been critical of Israel’s defensive actions in Gaza this week: Anti-Semites and some in the so-called Jewish intellectual elite." http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3649153,00.html I am myself extremely critical of Israel’s "defensive actions" in Gaza, but I couldn't care less what religion rules in Israel or what kind of people that live there - my criticism of the Israeli actvities in Gaza would be exactly the same if Israel was populated by Buddhist Australians and not the Jewish nation.. So please folks... ...leave Rabbi Levi Brackman's definition of Anti-Semitism to the fundamentalists and extremists. I myself (atheist) have nothing against Jews, Lutherans, Buddhists or any other religious people, it is the actions performed by the Israeli cabinet that I have very much against. Does that really make me Anti-Semite in your eyes..?
19. Well said Erik Hansson
Kestas ,   Europe   (01.09.09)
Absolutely agree with you. It is a big shame for Israel. I have changed my opinion towards Israel 100%. Israel actions just cause more and more terrorism - not only in Israel itself but in Europe from now on, as well. Our leaders should be straight forward with Israel as Turkish prime minister was.
20. Erik Hanson
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (01.09.09)
You can have your ideas about the Israeli actions , it's your right , not antisemitism i think . But if people in Europe or elsewhere ATTACK Jews because of their dislike of those Israeli actions , this is ANTISEMITISM . But before to be against the Israeli actions , try to inform yourself in a objective manner . Find out the reactions on both sides after the UN partition plan was adopted in 1947 . Find out what the Arab leaders told the palestinians .
21. JESUSALEN
cristian ,   bs as arg   (01.09.09)
I can´t live this life of lies anymore,the life is the opposite of my feelings and thoughts,everything i love is short as to make love,to travel around the world,to be in love with someone,to enjoy life and everything i hate and it´s boring it never ends as to work,routines,every year is the same and i am looking for something new,each day,every day i want the real life,i do not want to pretend i am having a good time and it´s always the same bore life,come mashiaj! come JESUSALEN!.
22. JESUSALEN
cristian ,   bs as arg   (01.09.09)
Jesus said jews that everything written about me had to happen,everything written in the law of moses,the prophets and the psalms had to come true,this was what was written,the mashiaj´d suffer,he´d rise from the dead on the third day,his followers´d preach in his name,they´d tell others to turn away from their sins and were forgiven,all nations´d hear it,beggining at JESUSALEN,you´d seen these things with your own eyes,i was going to send you what my father´d promised but for now,stayed in the city,stayed there until you´d received power from heaven.
23. Inherit the Wind
john ,   United Kingdom   (01.09.09)
Sad and true to say but the reality is that Israel's actions in Gaza wiil backfire across the diaspora of jews around the world. There is no way of separating the independent non Israeli Jews from Israeli action in Palestinian territories. Either the Jews speak out and say not in my name ! or you will suffer a collective punishment for the Israeli actions against the Palestinians. Be afraid be very afraid because you will all pay the price wherever you are and even if you are opposed to the war . Israel is doomed as a country and as a concept,the continuing existence of a jewish state is now in question not just by the arabs but the world at large. You will all pay for what israel has done in the name of the Jews. Dreadful though this is there are parallels with the 1940's when Jews were murdered in their millions. I pray that peace comes quickly for every Jewish person otherwise I am afraid your future is grim. Long live the Jews in peace with their neighbours for that is all right minded people wish for. Stop the conflict now before it's to late and you once again inherit the wind of hate.
24. its logical
Richard ,   Holland   (01.09.09)
The Truth Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between Israel and the Palestinians and Arab neighbors the next two sentences really say it all: * If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. * If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel .....................
25. John UK , # 23
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (01.09.09)
Read the hamas chart . Their goal is to DESTROY Israel . Read what Richard # 24 wrote . He bescribes the situation in two sentences . You justify attacks on Jews in the world because of Israel's actions . Have you assaulted muslims after they bombed your buses ? or after 9/11 ? Or were'nt there any to justify ?
26. LOVE YOUR ENEMIES AND THEY WILL GROW TO LOVE YOU
john ,   united Kingdom   (01.09.09)
Charles I am justifying nothing Israel stop fighting,learn to love your enemies,Kill them with kindness not bombs and Israel will be embraced by it's neighbours and the world again just as when the nation of Israel was created as a beacon of peace,justice and democracy. A symbol of hope for the future ,A symbol for the world to admire How much things have changed. I condemn all violence but there is a disproportionate reaction to a people who compared to Israel in terms of arms and defense are like david against Goliath. The Palestinians have Fireworks not rockets The Israelis have precision weapons in the air at sea on land and the Palestinians do not have a chance. You starve them,Block their fuel supplies, their medicines ,their water ,you deny them their freedom to move ,you try and depose their democratically elected governments, you deny them access to weapons of any kind, you HATE them,you see them as animals, you treat the refugees like scum herd them into ghettos and then persecute them. Are you then surprised when they fight back? It's utterly illogical to be surprised when they fight back against all of the above. Israel is overly powerful militarily because you are supported by America, if the Palestinians were of equal strength in terms of weapons you would lose because you know that they are more driven than you are to survive. Israel is a failed state which tarnishes the rest of the Jews with it's brutal reputation . Israel has eroded it's sole right to exist by behaving like their wartime suppressors ,the sole reason your country was created was to give you a safe home and d as an apology for the evil perpetrated on the jewish race in the war. Israel has become a monster too big and bolstered with too many weapons and too willing to use them to punish anyone who dare cross them. Israel , like all bullies are just scared ,you are surrounded by people who hate you and others in other countries. This latest war is the last nail in israel's coffin. Obama will no longer support Israel as Bush did. World opinion and support is now exhausted. Like all bullies Israel will fail and be destroyed. Learn from History before it's too late, Germany was defeated, The Romans were defeated, all powerful nations who behave in an inhuman way will pay the price for their evil. REPEAT AFTER ME: LOVE YOUR ENEMIES AND THEY WILL GROW TO LOVE YOU HATE THEM AND YOU WILL ALWAYS LIVE IN FEAR GIVE PEACE A CHANCE
27. Thank you Eric and Kestas for
isde   (01.10.09)
showing us and the world how the Holocaust was started by the Nazis. You,too, are starting it again with your pseudo-scientific explanations. Don't worry, we won't allow it this time !
28. 23,John or Jaweed, this is a typical
(01.10.09)
Muslim salvo asking for repentence and Muslimization or else.... Please, worry about yourself.
29. To John, #26
Tahl ,   Ashdod, Israel   (01.10.09)
Your post is one long drivel filled with demagogic accusations, personal biases, plenty of disinformation, and complete fabrications. It is completely one-sided and in completely out of touch with reality. I actually started to address each of your claims, but was overwhelmed by the sheer quantity and stupidity of your nonsense, that I realized I would need a whole hour, and well, you're just not worth it. Instead I'll sum it up briefly. If these are your conclusions from the entire Israeli-Palestinian conflict, then you must be living in lala-land. Until you'd open your eyes and snap back into reality, we would have no reason to take your silly posts seriously.
30. 26 , john UK . They will love when you are 6 feet
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (01.10.09)
below earth . Don't dream . Israel defends its citizens . Jews are'nt christians who present their other cheek . Jews are'nt a race , but a people .
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