Opinion  Sever Plocker
Israel doesn’t want to win
Sever Plocker
Published: 13.01.09, 12:19
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1. Finish Hamas off
Astral ,   UK   (01.13.09)
If Israel is not finishing off Hamas and it's Leadership, you will in future be talking about a 3 State solution. If any of Israels leaders is so short sighted and can't see that,they don't deserve to be leading their people. If your nation will be voting in the upcoming election for Tzipi Livni that might well be the end of your existence,one 'cockup' after the next. Do you really want to be back in 4-6 month, of course not,then finish the job properly. Turkish muslim brothers,of course Hamas agrees to that, I only hope Israel doesn't , as it is a big stitch up.
2. Hamas and settlers
cfs ,   fr and sz   (01.13.09)
are obstacles to peace....
3. whilst I agree with much you say
Yisraeli   (01.13.09)
you have to ask this question, If Israel were to destroy Hamas in total what then does it intend to do with the political vacuum? Hand it to Fatah of course on a silver plate. Which in turn would only give impetus to advancing the dreaded second palestinian state, as they now control both slivers. Whereas as long as hamas rules gaza as you said theres no one to talk to and therefore will be no palestinian state. Now of course if we would be doing what we should be doing is liberating gaza re-settle plus more. Offer arabs monies and a another country to live in. Deport all hostile elements and annex it. But Israel is not ready for this with their small mindset controlled by liberal lefties. But perhaps one day may yet occur.
4. Unlike the US and Israel
Chanalau, Tova ,   London, UK   (01.13.09)
the elections in Palestine were conducted fairly and honestly and Hamas won (not just in Gaza but on the West Bank too). So to say HAMAS "forcefully took over a despaired region" is a lie in the Zionist tradition. The force has been applied by those so-loveable, honest, upstanding, rightous Israelis.
5. Of course we don’t want to finish Hamas.
@home   (01.13.09)
The Arabs have their internal reasons for wanting to eliminate Hamas, but they do not completely coincide with our interests. Israel has its own interests in keeping a weakened Hamas. Sorry Arabs (esp. Mahmoood abas), Israel is not going to do your dirty work, we are looking out for our interests. Duh. I'm sure I don't have to elaborate why. The clever ones know why.
6. #2 Since we are all settlers....
trumpeldor ,   exiled eurabian   (01.13.09)
you keep your remarks for yourself !
7. he's right. hamas must go.
aaron ,   ra'anana   (01.13.09)
8. win over hamas
dr daniel mostrel ,   paris   (01.13.09)
i agree with you. Why these politicians want to make war with no intention to win? it 's pitiful to see this garbage. This time is an opportunity to defeat hamas and to erase it from gaza. Nobody will cry first of all egyptians and saudis . So they are mistaken so hard yes it is hard to understand this blindness.,
9. Jump on them wilder and wilder ...
Hans ,   Germany   (01.13.09)
until they hand over a l l imprisoned soldiers.
10. PLOCKERS'RIGHT,EVERYONE HAS TO WRITE IN,OLMERT WILL SEE IT
..............DACON9   (01.13.09)
11. deplored->implored
Spelling correction ,   who cares   (01.13.09)
12. Killers
hanane ,   Morocco   (01.13.09)
what ever the reasons were . You killed more than 900 people . Israel is a killer
13. #4 - Chanalau's Alternate Reality
Joe McFarland ,   USA   (01.13.09)
Chanalau - Hamas won a parliamentary election in Gaza. Later, they forcefully took over the entire Gaza governmental apparatus by brutally murdering dozens if not hundreds of members of Fatah. I guess you only care about the killing of Palestinians if Israel is involved?
14. Why fight the P.A.'s war and give Gaza back to them?
Bennie ,   Jerusalem   (01.13.09)
Israel and the U.S. warned Abbas and the P.A. about a Hamas takeover. Abbas would not fight Hamas, saying he "didn't want a Palestinian civil war". Hamas kicked him out. Why should Israel defeat Hamas and hand Gaza back to Abbas and the P.A.? Israel should not do the dirty work Abbas and the P.A. should have done themselves a couple years ago. Gaza and the West Bank are two separate entities. Leave them that way.
15. Took the words out of my mouth.
Daveza   (01.13.09)
"Israelis will be seen as wild creatures who do not belong among civilized nations" I could not have put it better.
16. SEVER - you are RIGHT ON !
Motti ,   San Francisco USA   (01.13.09)
Hit Hamas harder, and destroy their leadership entirely - Including the nutcase Ismail Haniya - Leave none of their leadership unscathed. Kill the head of the snake dead, GAMARNU.
17. Correct
Herman ,   USA   (01.13.09)
Plus, after all this if there is no Shalit release there is no victory.
18. did anyone in his right mind think for a second
chaim schonbrun ,   brooklyn ny   (01.13.09)
that these criminaly insane traitorous self hating leftist pathetic cowards,Olmert-Livni-Barak,really had any intentions of winning and wiping out our enemies ? the way these enemy colaborators have been conducting this war and the previous lebanon war,you can see they are much more worried about our enemies casualties than our own young boys, this war should be a lesson for all of us,that before going to war to eliminate our enemies,we must first eliminate the enemy within
19. We are only evacuating steam
Dr D ,   Jerusalem   (01.13.09)
Gaza is a security valve for the cumulation of pressure that is adding up in the region. In any system involving steam or pressure if any annoying whistle became unbearable then either you stop the pump or the heat or you put on ear plugs . The IDF is doing the right thing in Gaza as the system is still far from a critical situation. There will not be winners or looser unless once the bombs and rockets will stop whistling the Israelis and Palestinians will stop being used as "valves" paying with their lives for a remote and crazy source of heat and pressure like Iran or others.
20. #6 nope, i was talking about settlers
cfs ,   fr and dz   (01.13.09)
People who live in Israel are not settlers for me, settlers are people who live in West bank, you have to keep you talkback for you ! For Jerusalem : capital of Israel and Palestine i think would be good. But i am not Israeli or Palestinian to choose what to do.... And i am out.
21. I agree with this guy
Chay from spain ,   Madrid, Spain   (01.13.09)
I absolutely agree with this guy. Hamas should be destroyed from the top, strategically eliminating each single leader. I strongly believe that, out of the millions €€€ invested in the war, should we take a little out and invest it in advertising campaigns in arab and international countries so the Palestinians get against these regimes. Much less money wouuld have to be invested in big destruction missiles and intelligence. However, while this is not done. I do believe that shouldn't Israel pay attention to international criticism and must not stop until Hammas raises the white flag. My brachot and congratulations to the Israeli Army. You guys are doing great.
22. To Tova from London
Chany from Spain ,   Madrid, Spain   (01.13.09)
Hamas's victory in Palestine was a consequence of lack of education, hunger and fraud. Im sure (the history has proved so) the Palestinians would have never voted a fascist gobernment that has recognized one of its main goal is the destruction of Israel, who uses the money that should be invested in hospitals and education for arms smuggling and which is finaned by a contry (Iran) that explicitely threatened it to stop it's support if it accepts the peace truce with Israel. Iran has also recently closed a newspaper and killed it's owner for publishing a note in favor of Israel. Hamas doesn't want nor can accept peace and the Gazans want and need peace. "We can forgive the arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us." Golda Meir. May god (or life if you don't believe in god) enlight you so you understand we, the jewish people want nothing else than living in peace with ourselves and with all the other nations in the world. Love from Spain, ~Chany.
23. Protest Rallies
Nestor ,   Basel,Switzerland   (01.13.09)
Please set up some huge protest rallies throughout Israel demanding the goverment to topple hamas
24. Israel doesn't want to win ?!
DT ,   TA Isr   (01.13.09)
If that is true and it may well be I hope that the elecetions produce a landslide for a Right wing no nonsense government ! One rocket from Gaza and "good bye Gazans" if this governemnet is stupid enough to lose again on the battlefield
25. #4
Israel Israeli ,   Tel Aviv   (01.13.09)
It's worse than you think. The Christian Science Monitor reports that the United States was using the elections to install Abbas as their boy. With the money they spent, they never expected the Arabs to vote Hamas. What the Left and Plocker don't realize is that if Israel were to destroy Hamas, Abbas/Fatah would be considered American puppets kept in power by the force of Israeli tanks.
26. This war will never be finished.
Steven Wilson ,   Anchorage, Alaska   (01.13.09)
This is like Iraq.....it will drag on for years. These people will hide and come back to fight another day. Don't dissillusion yourselves about their conviction and motives over the long term. They plan on killing and gettting rid of the Jews from the middle east. This is just one of many skirmishes to come. Their 3 year olds are practicing to come at you in 14 or 15 years. This is a long term war.
27. Sometimes "win" means lose and vice versa
USA   (01.13.09)
Hams will understand no to fire rockets. The real threat is Al Fatah, the PA and their backers and I am not talking about the usual suspects like the Arab regimes. I am talking about the CIA, State Department, EU, UN, etc. This people, eat, shit and breath "peace". They are wolves in sheep's clothing.
28. # 12
Birdi ,   Israel   (01.13.09)
1365 Israelis have been killed by terror attacks since September 2000.
29. Settlers
Debra ,   UK   (01.13.09)
Why do you call Judea and Samaria "west bank" ? is the obvious truth in the way? .For the same reason the biblical settler is given a negative connotation, Israel is no longer Palestine and Jerusalem was once called Ilia Capitolina. But all lies collapse over time and only the truth remains, then there will be peace.
30. Hamas joins Israel,Syria follows and Iran will be Isolated!
Asher ,   NY,USA   (01.13.09)
Hamas in Gaza is crying for a cease fire but Iran dosen't let Mashaal to accept. If Israel manages to bring Hanieh on her side and cut the rope like what they did with Abas, Syria will follow next and Turkey and Saudis will push for that and Iran would be the Isolated one. Toppelling Hamas can renew the spirit of Jihadism among fenatics suported by Iran and creats a New Hamas. Bring your defeated enemy on your side is wise.
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