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B'Tselem: Gaza woman killed by IDF despite waving white flag
Ali Waked
Published: 14.01.09, 03:08
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1. SHAME on ynet! B'Tselem is notorious radical left wing!
GET REAL ,   USA   (01.14.09)
AND "PALESTINIANS' are notorious LIERS! To report this PROPAGANDA without proper corroborating evidence is disgusting. The story smells of a propaganda ploy! Israel has been TOO over protective of the so called "civilians"!
2. "quoting eyewitnesses"
Arie ,   BaGolan   (01.14.09)
would by any chance the eyewitnesses be what btselem and hrw refer to as civilians? You know, hamass members that at that very particular moment aren't trying to kill any Jews? And of course, any chance to condemn israel is accepted by imam waked as gospel!
3. Betselem: Martian in killed by IDF despite waving white flag
Anibal ,   Mexico   (01.14.09)
4. Civilians killed
Jerry ,   New York, USA   (01.14.09)
I have no special information about these deaths. Nor do I deny that such events took place. I wish only to point out that the Israeli Army has reported attempts at infiltrating its ranks by Hamas men dressed in Israeli Army uniforms. Under these circumstances, proof will have to be established before unequivocally before the IDF is trashed by the MSM and B'Tzelem.
5. Shooting at ambulance?
Mike ,   Chicago/Tel Aviv   (01.14.09)
The gunfire (at the ambulance) was meant to kill, not as a warning? And the ambulance driver lived to tell about it?! Let me try again... Combat IDF soldiers shot at a relatively slow moving vehicle (which is what an ambulance is in rubble) with the intent to kill its passengers and missed? Either they all need new glasses, or the driver is lying. I'll go with the latter; dunno about y'all... C'mon, how stupid do we look?
6. Probalby a Hamas flag.
Daniel ,   San Jose, CA   (01.14.09)
It was probably a green Hamas flag so they got shot for being stupid.
7. WHAT??None of the famous btselem video?
Arie ,   BaGolan   (01.14.09)
8. B'tselem
Leon ,   Grand Rapids USA   (01.14.09)
B'Tselem B'shmelem They are as accurate as Hamas. And if course, just as trustworthy.
9. B'TSELEM HAS LOST ALL CREDIBILITY
AVRUM ,   CANADA   (01.14.09)
B'TSELEM HAS LOST ALL CREDIBILITY. IT BEHAVES LIKE A FOREIGN ENEMY ORGANIZATION SEEKING TO UNDERMINE ISRAEL. IF I WANT ISRAEL-BASHING, I CAN LOOK ELSEWHERE.
10. my god how stupid b'tselem is. laughing stock.
ralph   (01.14.09)
11. read Cotlers learned article in the jpost to learn truth
ralph   (01.14.09)
12. investigate B'tselem
rachel ,   usa   (01.14.09)
13. Didnt you know?
B ,   haifa, Il   (01.14.09)
This old woman had a whole battalion of hamas fighters hiding behind her as she walked out of the house. Collateral damage happens right?
14. Doubt
Bibo ,   NY USA   (01.14.09)
It is not the first time, nor I doubt the last time that the brave boys of the IDF, that army of the highest morals and those sons of the nation that is a beacon to the world, will shoot to kill weak, unarmed cicvilians in cold blood. Yay!!!!!!! hooray to the brave boys and girls of the IDF. GO ISRAEL!!!!
15. Actually
bobo ,   tell abib   (01.14.09)
Hamas was firing rockets from beneath the woman's skirt and errant bullets made their way to the woman's head
16. Never in my life will believe this bullshit
(01.14.09)
Never in my life will believe IDF soldier will kill a citizen woman for no reason. By the way, I am a chinese.
17. B'Tselem
Sammy ,   Tel Aviv   (01.14.09)
And while B'Tselem is busy spreading this nonsense, Hamas is concocting the myth of its victory. It goes like this: Israel has killed 900 Palestinian civilians, no Hamas terrorist operatives have been killed and we know that is true because we heard it on Al-Jazeera, Hamas has missiles which can reach Tel Aviv and has already bombed two air force bases, Hamas had kidnapped dozens of Israeli soldiers but the IDF refuses to admit it, Hamas has also blown up dozens of tanks and downed the occasional plane. When the ceasefire comes, it will be represented as Israel on its knees, having begged for it. Since the world doesn't know the Middle East the way the people living here do, it will buy the whole crock and swallow it, hook, line and sinker. And all of it, G-d help us, with the help of B'Tselem
18. Leftists OPEN YOUR EYES
rehovot   (01.14.09)
do any of you left wing radicals think the HAMAS would hesitate for a SECOND if YOU held a white flag?!?!?! They have used children and women REPEATEDLY to trick soldiers and play on their compassion. If they shot her - there was a DAMN good reason for it. Here's a thought - Perhaps the HAMAS sent her out their to shield them and she got caught in the crossfire. This is WAR and in war people die - even 'civilians' Open your eyes - where were all your HUMAN RIGHTS OUTCRIES for the past 8 YEARS when the rockets were flying over some your own friends and family. Look up in the dictionary the following: Terrorist Patriot LOYALTY Self Pride You leftist radicals would have a leg to stand on if you stood up for the crimes committed on your OWN people. If you pity them so much, go live there for a day and see if you survive.
19. Crap, hearsay and written by Ali Waked
Israel   (01.14.09)
Say no more. The bullet that killed this woman should be examined. That's all.
20. Q: Why did the Gazans cross the road during a fire-fight?
Greg   (01.14.09)
A: Because they were Human Shields for Hamas. This press release is clearly propaganda, because neither B'tzelem / nor the witnesses / nor the reporter explained WHY those Gazans who were dressed as civilians wanted to walk around outside in the line of fire during a battle at 8 AM, when they could have waited two hours until 10 AM - 1 PM for the daily cease-fire during the "Humanitarian Corridor" in place for real civilians to get food and other necessary supplies. Apparently, Gazans are the only people in the world who like to walk around in the middle of gun battles. Because Hamas accepts Islamic Shari'a law and rejects the international laws of war (except for somehow keeping the right to complain that others violate them), their warriors disguise themselves as civilians, and prefer to fight from behind the elderly, women, and children whom they frequently use as human shields. Furthermore, why didn't the Gazan who drove the Red Crescent ambulance return during the daily cease-fire at 10 AM, instead of waiting 12 hours? And why wasn't there any official report from the ambulance driver until after B'tzelem tracked him down? The circumstances are suspicious, to say the least...
21. Israel or Hamas
Rivkah Rybak ,   Israel   (01.14.09)
There have been hamas men disguising themselves as IDF men. Before one makes accusations one should find out for sure. www.yeshabulletin.com
22. Have respect here
Eli ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (01.14.09)
An innocent woman gets killed. It's a mistake in war. Every country makes mistakes in fighting. But quit being so disrespectful to her death. How would you feel if that was your mother being spoken about so negatively in these talkbacks? Many of you commenting so offensively are from outside of Israel, so you have a hard time being anything but defensive about our country. But you don't get over your guilt of living in the diaspora by making stupid remarks that are clearly not grounded in sanity.
23. eli, i live in israel
nicole ,   tzfat   (01.14.09)
I live in israel so according to you i may comment. You know this woman personally that you are defending her innocence? Why are you to believe her son, grandson, husband, or brother isnt in hamas. Oh yea cause she raised a white flag. Ifevery person who raised a white flag was innocent wed be at peace with gaza and seeing how thats not the case! now respect, THANK G-D thats not my mother. My mother doesnt support a government of crime, hatred, and racism. My mother isnt happy everytime a kid is killed and then yells "in the sake of allah". Thank g-d my mom is JEWISH and doesnt have hatred flowing through her veins! SO as an israeli, living in israel, who fought in the army, according to you i have a say!
24. Just wait and see
Fouad ,   Jordan   (01.14.09)
AFTER GAZA WAR, DREAM OF PRACE. WE WILL NEVER FORGET AND WE WILL NEVER FORGIVE. WE WILL RAISE OUR KIDS IN HATING YOU HOUR BY HOUR AND DAY BY DAY. WE WILL NOT BE WEAK FOREVER. SOONER OR LATER WE WILL HVAE ADEQUATE FORCE AND DESTRUCTIVE WEAPONS AND WE WILL GET OUR AVENGE AND WE WILL NOT SHOW ANY MERCY. WE WILL KILL YOUR WOMEN AND CHILDREN LIKE WHAT YOU ARE DOING NOW...THIS IS A PROMISE
25. Fouad # 24 - Grow up and get a life.
Hila   (01.14.09)
26. This is what IDF is used to do
Kam   (01.14.09)
This shows the morality of IDF in war times. They do this even with children.
27. Nicole, I too fought
Eli ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (01.14.09)
Which is why I understand that death is nothing to disrespect. Calling some woman's life 'bullshit', as the talkbacks here have done, is unnecessary and shows a childish understanding of what war is really like. Maybe she is guilty of something, but one should never gloat about killing. That is just disgusting.
28. Don't complain...
tit_for_tat ,   USA   (01.14.09)
when Hamas rains rockets on the heads of Israeli citizens. Mandatory conscription in the IDF makes every Israeli citizen a fair target. This case, on the other hand, is cold blooded murder.
29. I Don't What Is Sadder ........
World Citizen ,   the world   (01.15.09)
the woman's death or the comments on this page. What is hard to fathom is most of the posters don't even consider that the incident could have taken place. Most just declare that it is all lies and even if it was true she deserved it. What has happened to Israel? Has forty years of occupation coarsened Israeli society so much that its citizens can't even rationally discuss the news? Has your hatred of the world grown so much that you don't care what happens in country so long as you feel good about about yourselves? If so, you are a very troubled society. You need to step back and reflect on what you have become. If you don't your nation is doomed. You will destroy it with your own hands.
30. Do unto others
Ralph ,   Chicago, illnois   (01.15.09)
Hmmm, how are gonna feel in the U.S when/if the United Nations decides we have to give the entire SouthWestern section of the United states back to Mexico and much of our Midwest back to the original American Indians? How will we feel after we're disarmed and for I.E Russia decides to pump BILLIONS and Billions of dollars into Mexico's new territories? When China decides to arm Mexico to the teeth with the latest in weapons, Planes and tanks? After all go back into history, it WAS Mexicos land wasn't it? And the American Indian's "Spirits" and Gods told them it was also their Land too. Right? Will the Rabid Israeli supporters in Las Vegas step aside and give their golf courses and casinos back to the original land owners? I didn't think so. Hypocrites.
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