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Pope rehabilitates Holocaust denier
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Published: 24.01.09, 14:13
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1. Christians live and think irrationally, Jesus is a myth,
JMK ,   NYC   (01.24.09)
the myth , never lived, he was Zeus, Apollo, the story was set in Judea but he never lived there, Nazareth did not exist, Bethlehem did not exist, it was all self serving lies, to quote a church elder, what profit has this story not brought us, but it never happened.
2. WHAT Relations?
Arie ,   BaGolan   (01.24.09)
Only two popes in vatican history made even feeble attempts to engage in inter-religious harmony. For those claiming there can be peace between us, simply look well at vatican history: inquisitions,beatifying those whose only 'virtue' was that they attacked Jews;providing support and cover to hitler;promoting pogroms;financing the crusades;popes ordering Jewish boys kidnapped. THAT IS THE HARMONY BETWEEN US!
3. Relations? More like suicide
Arie ,   BaGolan   (01.24.09)
The 'priests' are members of the pius the 10th society, named after a pope that condoned Jewish boys beingkidnapped from their families and held prisoner until they were forcibly converted to vaticanism and then pushed to have the pope that actually did that beatified. Only a true kapo, and perhaps gideon levy, would believe there are any 'relations' between Jews and the vatican.
4. Too much is too much !
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (01.24.09)
First you want to sanctify this pius XII pope who did'nt express himself openly against the Shoa , not during , nor after WWII . Now , in name of an unity in your church , you want to rehabilitate some bishops , no problem with this , had'nt it be that amongst them is a Holocaust denier . And this is too much for us to accept . If you are'nt in favor of good Judeo-catholic relations , do it . But some will again be reproaching your past in the hitlerjugend , and calling you a nazi . And i will NOT , as i did , tell them that it was mandatory for you to be in this youth brainwashing movement .
5. Will he also make hitler a saint?
jason white ,   afula,israel   (01.24.09)
6. Jason #5: hitler died a 'good catholic'
Arie ,   BaGolan   (01.24.09)
hitler's pope ordered, and conducted the church's last rites for adolf hitler albeit post mortem (did he really die or did he move to more modest priestly accomodations?). According to the vatican, it was necessary since hitler was in fact a "practicing catholic"
7. #5 Hitler cannot be made a saint since
AY_Lamb ,   USA   (01.24.09)
he was a protestant but, you would be surprised by the number of Americans that either don't know that or deny that. At least Catholics aren't saying they are Jews. In America the most popular concept is Jews don't really exist, they are all just really protestant christians that are ignorant or they are some sort of nubbin unitarian brand of protestantism that pray to a wall. Truly Torah observant Yehudim in this country are in great peril and once these evangelicals wrap their minds around the shock of this Obama presidency they will again set their attention on their Regnum Jerusalem and showing you nascent baptists the power and the glory of the "virgin born, man god and water walker"
8. #7_Some reality
Arie ,   BaGolan   (01.24.09)
First of all, if hitler was a protestant, why did pope pisu xii (hitler's pope)give him the last rites during a memorial session? As for your other comments, probably truisms: the mormons compile lists of deceased Jews for post-mortem baptisms;the RC church in the US routinely condemns us, highlighted during hollywood's most notorius anti-Semite mel gibson's (only sligtly edging out george Clooney and Jane Fonda) production of his purposely fictionalized diatribe alleging we killed his 'christ'; And as for the predomiantely Black churches that are led by the likes of rev wright, they willfully forget it was the Jews, and ONLY the Jews, that were at the forefront of the civil rights movement where many Jews were killed. That behind them, they gladly join the likes of al sharpton in promoting pogroms like the one we saw in Brooklyn's Crown Heights.
9. So now the Nazi pope endorses Holocaust Denial. Will the str
Jesus of Nazareth ,   Judea   (01.24.09)
am of church anti-Judaism never be dammed?
10. The papacy strikes again
Ben ,   Monroe USA   (01.24.09)
Ah yes, Catholicism's adoration of the Jew rises to new heights. Does it really matter if the pope "rehabilitates" another denier?Remember, the papacy still tries to tell us that pius XII worked diligently to protect the Jew. So diligently with hitler that ONLY 6 million were slaughtered. Soon the pope will advise the Jew that piusXII walked with jesus on the waters. Anti-semitism began with Christianity and still prevails as a stepping stone for world hatred.
11. By rehabilitating a holocaust denier the Pope makes himself
Avi ,   Geneva   (01.24.09)
a holocaust denier.
12. To #7 he was a catholic,but that would not stop
jason white ,   afula,israel   (01.24.09)
benny the16th. from canonizing him. The Evangelists know who Jews are and they support us. That "virgin born,man god,water walker" you write about,is that obama?
13. Living Dead
zehariah   (01.25.09)
you cannot condemn people for repenting their sins unless they have brocken the most serious noachide law of taking a human life . Blood for Blood .Holocaust denial is a terrible sin that lead to gross injustice for all martyrs .
14. What you expect from Pope who was Nazi youth member
Tomas   (01.24.09)
The Pope just follows his believes and what he learned as member of Nazi youth party. Only stupid Jewish liberal establishment would believe that the present Pope changed from his youth. Once hater of Jews he will always be hater. That what he learned at his parents house and that what he believes.
15. some infallability.
alone ben caro ,   USA   (01.24.09)
Seems to me some pope recently issued a bull proclaiming that jews did not have to convert to catholicizm because they came under the original covenant. Now, benedict lfts a ban on a prayer that calls for the opposite. Well.mr.infallable ,which isit.?? Seems to me the vatican is confused,probably paranoid as to who is really in allegiance with them these days. They openly showed their statehood by joining the european nations and they now belong to interpol instead of relying on past sources for their intel from such. They're finished,....soon. I would think that there is now a problem with the Swiss allegiance,being benedict ressurects a new ally. Maybe it's time for the swiss to bring those 500 sons home.
16. Hitler wasn't catholic
Walt K ,   Sherbrooke, Canada   (01.24.09)
at all. First of all, he hated the Catholicisme and the Pope. In fact, the Führer wanted to kill the Roman He also jailed lot of priests and religious people for anti-nazism actions. The only god Hitler prayed was himself...
17. The 1 thing that is clear
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (01.25.09)
This pope has decided that he doesn't want any sort of relationship with us.
18. #16 Walt: Hitler was a Catholic. Read your history books.
Bennie ,   Jerusalem   (01.25.09)
The Vatican will always take care of one of its own- including Nazis such as Hitler. The Vatican provided phony passports and helped smuggle thousands of Nazi war criminals to South America and other places after WW II. Thousands of Nazis evaded war crimes trials, prison and execution because of the Vatican's help and intervention.
19. Shame on you!!!!!!
Sandy Levy ,   oregon, USA   (01.25.09)
To be in your position of power "The Pope of the catholic faith" & to denie the holocast leads me to believe that you and your followers are aligned with terrorism . Is that not what was done to the jewish people??? To denie the holocast, the gas chambers, The JEWS< THE POLES< THE RUSSIANS who were put to DEATH simply because Hitler wanted a supreme race..What does that make you??The reality of this act lives in infinity...My father in law carried those emaciated living bodies out of those concentration camps, he saw the crematoriun.. He was an AMERICAN GI rescuing all of europe..Until the day of his death a sight etched forever in his mind.When we fail to accept and learn from our history we are doomed to repeat it.. This time the world will not stand still.....
20. #8 and #16 for the record a few items.
AY_Lamb ,   USA   (01.25.09)
1. Hitler was born into a Catholic family 2. He converted to Lutheranism 3. When he became Chancellor of Germany he needed papal recognition for validation of his National Socialist political experiment. 4. He was closely allied with Von Papen and Ludwig Klaus to achieve validation through the mechanism of the still effective reichskonkordat 5. Hans Michael Frank declared at Nuremberg Hitler was Jewish by genetics through his Grandfather Leopold Frakenberger - HMF devout catholic was subsequently administered last rites then executed. 6. Hitler as a Jew is again reemerging as a provocative assertion and polemic amongst intentional or unintentional antisemites, additionally this belief that Hitler was just some sort of megalomaniac self-worshiping non religious aberration is still expressed and dangers in reducing his role past in global event/calamity. 7. Antisemitism in America,Canada, Australia and UK is extremely dangerous and growing everyday. 8. Antisemitism is prolific throughout the broadest cross-section of these societies to include secular and non-secular alike. 9. In my latest deployment to Iraq I attended an Academy known as the Phoenix Academy where US Military field Commanders are trained on regional dominance with specific emphasis on the "greatest threat to regional stability the fanatical Jewish State of Israel" one of the proctors even claims to be a former Israeli. 9. Only a unified, engaged and committed society in Israel can counter the disparaging effects of this Information operation and policy of containment and control. 10. Antisemitism will be impossible to defeat or defend in the short term you need to convince foreign diplomats of the benefit of referring to Israel as a secular democracy worthy of support. time is short and rapid action is required, disbelieve me at your own peril. Intense diplomatic engagement combined with a formative, well-financed, competent and capable military defense force is a must.
21. 16 Walt K.: Hitler was baptized as a baby Roman Catholic.
Rivkah   (01.25.09)
But standing in a garage does not make one a car. Hitler's Roman Catholic connections in obtaining funding to rebuild Germany after World War I from the Vatican cannot be disputed. They would not have given so much to someone they did not believe was Roman Catholic.
22. 7: The ELS Bible codes at www.arkcode.com show "President
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Obama" intersecting with "no holocaust". Communist takeovers of countries rarely result in the slaughter of Jews, unlike Fascist takeovers. The Communists slaughter the Christians and elite military (Kosacks in Russia) and farmers with employees (Kulaks in Stalin's Russia) and dissidents and Protestants and Catholics. But not Jews. Remember Karl Marx who founded Communism was a Jew. Also, Adolf Hitler was not Lutheran. He was baptized as a baby Roman Catholic. Pope Pius XII certainly believed Hitler was Catholic or the Vatican would not have given Hitler the money to rebuild Germany after World War I.
23. 6 Arie: Adolf Hitler did not die in the Fuhrer Bunker...
(01.25.09)
a double died there with Eva Braun Hitler. Hitler wanted to die, but Martin Bormann drugged him and dragged him out of the bunker. The book, "Escape From the Bunker" that is available from Poisoned Pen Press is testimonial evidence that Hitler died in Antarctica. Adolf Hitler fathered German Chancellor Angela Merkel who was raised with adoptive Lutheran minister parents according to Stassi East German police records. Hitler also fathered two children in Portugal who were raised in Las Cruces, New Mexico. Getting photos of the children was a high point at times at the Antarctica refuge. It is interesting that there is a German Luftwaffe base in Alamagordo, New Mexico, near Las Cruces, as well as in Texas, Colorado, and Virginia. I asked US Senator Jon Kyl years ago why there are foreign military bases in America with foreign flags fllying at the front gates (entrances). He stupidly answered, "Welll, we have military bases in THEIR countries." But they did not win the war. Most of the Congress and Senate are traitors in league with the devil's one world government plan. Rivkah
24. Himmlier WAS Catholic
jsm   (01.25.09)
Well I suppose we shall see a St Himmlier next then.
25. "vicarious filii dei"
dENNIS ,   USA   (01.25.09)
Pope benedict you snake. you are the 7th of the very described lineage where the sone of perdition will resurface from. Ohh Yaa. rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
26. World U N Holocaust Day versus Vatican’s British Bishop Will
H.H.M ,   Israel / Jerusalem   (01.25.09)
World U N Holocaust Day versus Vatican’s British Bishop Williamson, “Home accepting” The u n b e l i e v a b l e b e c a m e t r u e, VATICAN accepts British Bishop Williamson TV statement of “…I believe that the historical evidence is hugely against 6 million having been deliberately gassed in gas chambers as a deliberate policy of Adolf Hitler ... I believe there were no gas chambers…” by the Pope Benedict XVI “…decree lifting the excommunication…” of Bishop Williamson and others, after long ongoing dispute Pope Benedict cancelled his predecessors Pope John of excommunicating Williamson etc. - A not often used policy changing process of a previous head of Roman Catholic Church by simply canceling and reinstating him. - This even despite the previously reported Swedish TV interview held in Germany a few days ago by Bishop Williamson with “…says he realizes he could go to jail for Holocaust denial in Germany…” here the explanatory public relation statement coming out of the Vatican that the reinstitution does not necessarily includes Bishop Williamson above statements acceptable is impossible to swallow. This “…juicy story was c r e a t e d a few days before the United Nation international declared day of Holocaust commemoration…” - What an coincident after Jewish organization worldwide already had posted their objection to this declared denial of Holocaust Williamson by this particular Papal degree of reinstate / fully acceptance of his return to “…mother church…” in view of his known position. The ultimate reason of this Bishop Williamson to fight the world registered Holocaust history seems more than strange especially as it comes from a so called Christian Church Representative who prays for love by human beings – Williamson apparently very knowingly made these TV statements on Germany’s soil knowing his criminal act and its prescribe punishment. Maybe, speculative thought that his action is motivated by destroying all international, all interface, all German re-educational efforts. He nearly reached his personal / unchristian goal unless German government uses all powers invested to bring this so called Bishop before German courts and its maximum penalty under law in view of his openly declared full understanding of his declarations – German juridical actions must be fast and decisive including the decision of disregarding / canceling his “…diplomatic Vatican State status…” also m u s t German government insist to have Williamson extradited to stand before a German court, to save its decades of public reeducation after Hitler. Thus the Secretary General of the United Nation accept this blatant Vatican’s State contradiction of its general assembly decision to hold a worldwide commemoration day of the Holocaust?
27. Rivkah
Miriam ,   Canada   (01.25.09)
gosh Rivkah- where do you get your stories? This is the most fantastic, weird story I have ever heard- if you believe this, then I can understand why certain people doubt the Holocaust happened----- we call them Anti-semites and crazies- what does that make you? You have read too many fiction stories.
28. HHM 26 . He made this declaration in SWEDEN
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (01.25.09)
For the Swedish TV . He added that he knows that he could be prosecuted for this in Germany .
29. Never heard a rabbi say a stupid thing?
Adam ,   Haifa   (01.25.09)
This bishop says a stupid thing, but why so much venting and demands? Are rabbis ordained depending on how much they believe in, say, Armenian holocaust? Why demand that from another religion?
30. Hatred of the Jews
Fuler K ,   New York, USA   (01.25.09)
Such profound and widespread hatred of the Jews must have a significant source. The only thing that could explain such a phenomena that spans millennia is the Covenant and the response of the Chosen People to it. Yahweh said, live up to the demands of the Covenant and be Chosen over all of humanity, or else... The consequences of this "or else" are in proportion to the immensity of the potential status as the "Chosen" people. Hence if the Jews do not live up to the Covenant, they must, in the Divine economy of things, expect dire consequences. This is not anything new, it is all in the Torah for those who would read and understand.
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