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Turkey probes Israel on 'war crimes' in Gaza
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Published: 06.02.09, 12:54
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61. Eamonn
Kev ,   London   (02.06.09)
That's great, but has little/no relevance here.
62. Hakan
Kev ,   London   (02.06.09)
Hakan, you said that: 'No ideology or religion can justify killing 1 innocent baby. ' That condemnes Islam then. Good for you for seeing the light.
63. #32 - Hakan's delusions
Eric ,   Montreal, Canada   (02.06.09)
He says: "You are enemies with the whole planet?" You are quite wrong Hakan. My country for one supports fully Israel and so does the CIVILIZED world. I emphasize CIVILIZED because your country has a history of barbarism! Turks have been known throughout history as barbarous. Remember the cruelty and bloodshed caused by the Turks in Europe during the Ottoman empire? You even used to STEAL the European children from their parents and turn them into soldiers (Yeni Ceri)!!! So before you accuse Israel look at your own history which is one of the most vioelent and barbaric ever. And today by joining the barbaric mullahs of Iran for the support for terrorists like Hamas you are confirming that you have still not shaken of your barbaric ways.
64. Turkey firstly must look himself for Kurds
Lütfi ,   Orhangazi Turkey   (02.06.09)
Turkey no have human rights!! On behalf of arabs Turkey no have right to speak . Turkey firstly must estasblish human rights to majority in Turkey . What is different between PKK and HAMAs?? both is same group. Turkey is bad political player,no have able to do anythink!! If Arab flag continue to stay on the symbol on heart of Israel peace never be come. Arabs don't want peace,they say peace with Israel never not be done.Then why you are talking for peace? Who want peace? Peace to be establish only by Israel!! all others countries must remove far ,because problem are between Israel and Palestine. If arabs want peace then must stop to kill people and terror.
65. AG Mazoz - Start an ivestigation into Turkey's war crimes
David ,   Karmiel, Israel   (02.06.09)
The Turks committed Genocide against the Armenians in 1915. Turkey is alleged to have committed war crimes and human rights violation against the Kurds and has even attacked the Kurdish people who live in Iraq. Turkey MUST be held accountable for these allegations particularly the killings of the Kurds by the present Turkish Islamist Government.
66. #59
(02.06.09)
funny! you just put your foot in your mouth. READ POINT #2 OF YOUR TALKBACK. THIS TURKISH PROBLEM WITH THEIR ARMENIANS IS EXACTLY LIKE ISRAEL'S PROBLEM WITH THE HAMAS. HAMAS IS A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION, ELECTED AND SUPPORTED BY 100% OF THE GAZA POPULATION WHO AID IT, ABET IT, VOLUNTEER AS SUICIDE BOBMERS FOR IT AND AS TERRORISTS FOR IT....KUST LIKE YOU CLAIM THE ARMENIANS DID AGAINST TURKEY. you also said that you turks sent the armenians away...that means, expelling them out of your borders. israel has never expelled the arab israeli population out of its border. as a matter of fact, israel has arab political parties in the israeli government, arabs vote, have equall rights in israel, have citizenship in the country and work and go to school in israel just like any israeli jew does. you, my firend have no clue what you are talking about. yes, israel put a seige on gaza because 8,000 rockets were falling and still falling on citizerns, innocent people and children and elderly in israel. you expelled and killed the armenians...1.5 million of them, not to mention the greeks and pkk member, which are also a terrorist organization by your standards. well, israel refuses to pen a border with animals and tgheir beastly leaders who have caused the death of aqlmost 2,000 israelis through suicide bombings in our cities, buses, discos, restaurants and hotels. sorry. turkey would do tghe same. we left gaza. capich? left it and hoped the palestrinians will show the world what they can do with all the euro and american and arab (very very small, by the way) aid. they chose violence, death, mayhem and terrorism, which is not different than what you say the armenians or the pkk are did. yes, you expelled them and killed them all on their way out BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T TRUST THEM????? pay attention, israel is not targeting civilians in gaza. israel is fighting a terror organization that because it doesn't care about the palestinians, is using them as sheilds. pay attention to the un message today regarding hamas using the children in gaza as human sheilds. the un is starting to investigate because israeli soldiers are equiped with little cameras on their helmets when they enter a battle field. did you know that? how do you think we have footage of all we are saying??? we also have arab spies in there that feed this information and tell us where it is happening. what army on earth calls all the citizens in the battle area and sends leaflets via air to warn them of a coming attack? ONLY THE ISRAELI IDF AND IAF. YOU SHOW ME ONE ARMY THAT DOES THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT NONE ARE HURT. none! not even yours. no. israel has never given the pkk/kurds one ounce of support because israel has never had the interest in destabilizing the turkyish government. why would tghey? we had wonderful relations with you guys in all aspects of life including military until erdogan came to power. if you blame israel for a standard in military operations and in the past ones that turkey itself doesn't respect or abide by, if you claim israeli genocide on the gazans, then we must show you that you are a hypocrite by looking at your point #2.
67. #59
(02.06.09)
let's look at your point #2.... you wrote.... "do you know why so many armenians died? because among our armenian brothers there were militant groups which killed civilians.....the mepite couldn't identify who supported this militant group....." answer to you.... hamas is also a militant terrorist group who has been responsible for 8,000 rockets in 6 years into innocent civilian towns, schools, hospitals and cities in israel for the , killing, through also suicide bombings and terror attacks in israel, 2,000 jews that were all innocent, elderly, children, adults and moms and dads out of military uniforms and of all ages. again, hamas, just like the armenians militants, operated from inside densely populated civilian areas, were part of the gaza civilians, were chosen and elected and supported by gaza civilians and claimed 20,000 hamas fighters on their payrole. to stop this bloodshed, israeli idf and iaf went into gaza and started after 6 long years the operation cast lead against hamas. you turks expelled and murdered these armenians because you couldn't identify who was a terrorist or who wasn't among the armenians. well, israel can't idewntify also who is a hamas terrorist and who is a civilian if all of the gaza hamas has no military uniforms and do not fight according to the law of war and the geneva war convention rules. not having a gun in your hands and not a uniform doesn't mean you are not a terrorist because many of them went house to house to get their ak-47's without having a uniform and also took some young boys by the ears with them in front because they knew that the idf wouldn't shoot them because of the children. you expelled all the armenians because you couldn't tell who was with or against you. so, you put all of them out of your country and in the process 1.5 millions of them were murdered at your hands. gee, i wonder if we also in israel took all the gazans out and expelled them from the area into another country like you did with the armenians...and then shot them dead while they were escaping. how would you react then, i wonder??? we are intelligent and informed abnout the armenian, greek and kurd genocide perpetrated by turks. it is a historical fact. what i wrote you about point #2 of your diatribe is to show you how hypocritical you are and how much you still have to answer about your real genocide of millions of people, innocent or not.
68. SPEAK UP ALL TURK-HATERS SO WE WILL SEE YOUR REAL FACE.
Turkey/Israel ,   Turkey/Israel   (02.06.09)
'Laharog Turki ve lanuach' as the saying goes in Israel which means: Kill the Turk and rest! I always thought it was a joke but it looks like some people all over the world will really be happy to see Turks being hurt. Some might view Turkey equivalent of devil but can it justify Israel's actions in Gaza and its 41 years of occupation? To the ones who uses Kurd and Armenian cards: More than half of Erdogan's party members are Kurdish. Almost all Kurds support Erdogan's party and criticize Israel's actions. Some Kurds view Hamas as a fellow freedom fighter organization as PKK. As for Armenians, they are also great supporters of Erdogan together with the EU and US. Erdogan and his party AKP were supported by the West to weaken left wing Turkish seculars, nationalists and the military. Both the EU and the US wanted to weaken Ataturk's principles in Turkey. So, think twice before talking and supporting this group against that group, it might blow up in your face. So how could you judge all 70 million people of Turkey based on AKP and its supporters? Most Turks vote for secular left wing or nationalist parties as opposed to Kurds, Armenians, religious people. To the ones using EU cards: Most Turks don't want to be a member of the EU. Erdogan and AKP supporters want the EU. Most Turks do not trust the EU.
69. Hakan and anti-Turkey posts
(02.06.09)
Hakan thanks for your posts, but as you see this page has turned into a meeting point for Turkey haters from all over the world. They don't know history and they don't seem to know what's going on now either. Blind with their hatred they keep repeating propoganda against Turkey, unfortunately being against Turkey is what unites them. Spreading anti-Turkey propoganda is their life aim. What a miserable life they must have.
70. Hakan
meg ,   Israel   (02.06.09)
my grandfather died in Galipoli, your merciful ottoman army poured kerosen over the field of fead and wounded, not even looking for wounded, then set light to it, burning even those still alive. My uncle was also left to die in an infested turkish hospital, no clean water, no treatment. look up this site, your genocide against Armenians, there are many other sites too. http://www.agiasofia.com/armenia/armenia1.html "our soldiers were fighting WW1," Lame excuse. Try telling that to the Armenians! BTW, yes we do feel for the innocent civilians caught up in war, but unlike our enemies, we do try to avoid their deaths, otherwise there wouldnt be anything moving in Gaza right now, and I do beleive there is movement, so you should also take your head out of your butt when posting, OK!
71. #66 & 67
meg ,   Israel   (02.06.09)
Well done, wish I had the patience to write all that, and wonder if hakan will respond, once he gets his head out of his butt!
72. #68
david ,   new york   (02.06.09)
not sure what world you live in. every greek and armenian I know hate turkey and have been boycotting anything turkey their entire lives. as an israeli i have joined thier cause as well. I hope israel completely severs all ties with erdogan regime and instead only maintain ties with the turkish military for now. if in the future things change then we will see. Also, I hope the U.S. will push for recognition of the armenian/greek genocide asap
73. hakan is wrong!
oded   (02.06.09)
your vuew if this conflict and the war in gaza are simply out of touch... if you dig deeper then what is shown on turkish national tv, you'll realize that in order to get to hamas terrrists ,we had to bomb gaza to splinters.. "hamas the victoriuos" ar a bunch of cowerds who operate focefully inside civilain enclaves... colateral deamge is part of any military confict, and while i regeret true civilans being hurt, i regret even more OUR israeli civilains being targeted specifically by these moslem barbarrians!
74. #58-It may be so, but dont expect thatErdog will do the same
Alan ,   SA   (02.06.09)
75. #5 Lisa
Marco ,   Spain   (02.06.09)
Israel is no angel sent from heavens you know! Israel has become the most efficient baby killing machine, in case you have not noticed.
76. What else do you call it?
Jerrold Cohen ,   Seal Beach, USA   (02.06.09)
What else do you call the killing of 900 civilians including 400 women and children, and the destruction of 14,000 homes? Mistakes? War crimes, people. Civilians and their property were targeted big time.
77. Eagerly waiting for Armenian genocide bill!
(02.06.09)
If you pass this bill before making sure it was a genocide, you'll end up like France. Jack Lang who lead the genocide bill in France is now regretting his decision because history says it is disputed. Armenian militia Dashnak, Hunchak killed over 500,000 Turks, Kurds and Jews in Eastern Anatolia during WWI. Russian, British, Ottoman, French archives have many documents relating to this. When history proves this was not a genocide, this genocide bill might pave the way for Holocaust deniers. Because it will give an excuse to anti-Semites that not all bills woud be the truth. Jews have got to be careful here.
78. #72 Celebrate your anti-Turkism
(02.06.09)
I'm talking about Armenians voting for Erdogan, so you should be able to understand it refers Armenians in Turkey/Armenians who are voting in Turkish elections. Good for you, you sound like you found your identity! Go ahead, hate the Turks and contribute anti-Turkism! No one would expect a better analysis from you by looking at your post. Push with all your power to hurt the Turks, do you think it will solve Israel's problems with its occupation?????
79. It was Turks who saved Jews when Europe was killing Jews.
(02.06.09)
During Spanish Inquisition hundreds of thousands of Jews were rescued by Turks and settled in Ottoman Empire. Before WWII Jewish academics in Germany were saved and settled in Turkey with an invitation by Ataturk. Till this day they and their relatives teach at Turkish universities. During the WWII Turkish diplomats Selahattin Ulkumen, Necdet Kent and Namik Kemal Yolga saved Jews from Rhodes and France by risking their own lives. You can search all this info if you don't already know. How could you blame the whole nation and bury centuries of friendship so suddenly? Will some Israelis or some Jews begin to hate whoever criticize Israeli policies?
80. Greeks, armenians, kurds: Turkey must be proud!
Xav ,   Paris, France   (02.06.09)
I am in Europe and I was truly an ardent supporter of Turkey membership to EU (in France, they are very few people for this cause). I will be strongly against this from now on and I will "pollute" sites as much as I can when it will be dealing with the turks (no need to do this as France and french opinion is strongly against Turkey but I prefer to do so!) I will no longer buy turkish goods also. I am not doing this because of the turks themselves but only because of Erdogan's policy. He is arrogant and a true liar; tuks killed 1.5 millions armenians, cleansed from turkey the huge greek community that used to live for hundred and hundred of centuries and they invaded and cleansed even Cyprus, they are killing on a daily basis kurds and are occupying their lands, and they are talking about the death of 800 hamas "militants" to be polite and their 600 or so human shields (that Israel regreats contrary and try to prevent contrary to the turkish attitude against armenians greeks and kurds...!). That is too much injustice and bias against the Jews and Israel that i will never forgive what they say and i will never ever support Turkey again. (BTW Every jew I know in France are strongly against Turkey now).
81. #69
(02.06.09)
no, sir. you are wrong. all these talkbacks you read now against turkey have not started in israel. it seems to me that, if you bothered to read newspapers lately in the middle east, turkey has had HUGE DEMONSTRATIONS AGAINST ISRAELIS. HUGE ANTISEMETIC BANNERS BLAMING JEWS FOR ALL THE ILLS IN THE WORLD, STORE FRONTS PUTTING SIGNS THAT DOGS ARE ALLOWED IN, BUT NOT JEWS, DEMONSTRATION SAYING THE JEWS ARE NAZIS (SHAMEFUL), PEOPLE BURNING JEWISH ISRAELI FLAGS AND SHOUTING KILL THE JEWS. JEWS ARE NOT ALLOWED IN TURKEY., KILL THE NAZI JEWS, ETC... so, sir, the talkback by israelis are justified and more. israelis, just like turks, do not like being called names and antisemetic remarks. so, yes, these talkback are a reaction and response to the vehement hate that emonates from the turkish population and muslim community.
82. #71 meg
(02.06.09)
hakan will not respond because he has NOTHING TO SAY THAT CAN CONTRADICT THE HYPOCRISY I HAVE SHOWN HIM TO POSSESS. hakan is too busy throwing off turkey's guilt and blame for the armenian massacre, the turkish massacre of some thousands of kurds and the massacre of greeks totaling in the millions. hakam will not admit to this and calls us ignorant, meaning we do not know the truth. he tries to explain why the turks did what they did to the armeniansm which doesn't excuse the turks in the least. a very lame excuse to say that, not knowing who from the armenians was pro or con the turks, they made sure to first expell them and then to kill them all, innocent or not .....just like they did in galipili. hakam is not interested in the truth. he just wants to blame israel for a fraction (that's what he defines it as) of the genocide that his countrymen perpetuated on a huge [population without case and in such brutality that it is unimaginable. hakam also states that WE DO NOT KNOW THE TRUTH..... it's like an arab revisionist historian and muslim clerics that claim that the bible didn't exist and that jews have no connection to the land of israel. lies are truths. truths are lies....in the islamic imagination. again, they also seem to lie to themselves so very much that actually, they start to believe their conviction. again, no islamic country teaches its citizens what they do not want to teach or acknowledge. the armenian genocide is never taught in the turkish curriculum at all. there is no mention of it and it is as if this country and its people were never involved in it at all....sounds like hamas school texts that do not teach there was ever an israel and all of it is arab palestine. the muslims have a long long way to go to catch up to the civilized world not only in education, but in exposure to truths and history everyone already knows about. when one is exposed to and taught only what suits their government, you end up having lots of morons and uneducated masses that are completely devoid of knowledge and facts on the ground... hay, but that doesn't bother them since they do not know what they are missing....and i wonder, if they are even capable of intellectual debate or even oeace and harmony, not only with each other, but with the rest of the civilized world at that.
83. #75
(02.06.09)
no, imbecil. we, the civilized nations of the world have not noticed. what we are noticing is the barbaric regime of gaza which uses people for its nefarious political games. stop firing 8,000 missiles and we'll stop responding. by the way, everyone in the civilized world except for muslim demonstrators were on israel's side. look at all the demonstrations to see who came...only or mostly muslims and arabs,.....to be expected. the civilized people stayed home and secretly wished israel would finish the job once and for all. .and by the way, if we were a killing machine, nothing will be standing or walking in gaza now! didn't haniyeh claim victory???? so, why blame us. he was victorious after all and we failed to kill them all. if it was such a genocide, how come haniyeh says they won? how can you win and have a genocide at the same time? illogical. by the way, marco. i think you should travel to gaza post haste. you are waisting your time in spain. go get up and fly there so that you can stop hamas from stealing the un and anrwa blankets. flour, rice and food that the hamas steals and sells to the gazans doe 300% more. filthy regime!!! maybe you can be a guard at the un shelter so that you can stop your friends from stealing from the people and making a profit on them. then, you can come to israel to finally see who you are criticising. we are civil, sophisticated, brilliant, knowledgeable, highly educated and peace loving. what are you? an idiot!
84. Israel & Turkey
Murat Aktas ,   Germany/Frankfurt   (02.06.09)
Looking back in history. I am proud of Atatürk. I am proud that Turkey was the first Islamic country to acknowledge the State of Israel. I am proud of Turkey for offering a safe haven for many Jews. Looking at Turkey in the past weeks I feel ashamed of PM Erdogans attitude towards your country. I really do hope that Turkey will get back on its way to the West which will lead to a fully modern liberal democratic state where secular forces and NOT Islamist forces are in power. For the moment with PM Erdogan in charge I have no hope things will get better on this issue. May my beautiful Turkey find its way back to West where it belongs.
85. ISRAELI MEDIA SHOULD ORCHESTRATE A MASSIVE ATTACK ON TURKEY!
Ralph ,   NYC   (02.06.09)
86. #83 "brilliant , educated nation"
Rick ,   Brazil   (02.07.09)
Calling someone "imbecil" does indeed show how educated you are. Sophisticated? oh yes, You already shown that by burning and maiming children in Gaza with your refined american weapons, a show of civility by the way. You should sell all your apaches, F16 and bombs that the americans gave you and try to help the palestinians to rebuild their country, have you ever tried to build schools, hospitals, houses instead of destroying it?
87. TURKEY AND WAR CRIMES
LARRY ,   USA   (02.07.09)
IS MORE OF A JOKE THAN HAMAS PROPAGANDA THAT THEY WON THE WAR .THE TURKS ARE MUSLEM REMEMBER UP IS DOWN IN IS OUT IN THERE WORLD .THIS IS LIKE THE DEFEATED NAZI LEADERS ACUSING THE ALLIES OF WAR CRIMES.
88. Marco # 75
J.K. ,   Brooklyn USA   (02.07.09)
Marco ! If evil Israel,wished,how many palestinians,kould it kill ?and if your peace loving Hamas,kould, how many Jews,would they kill ?.Israel,does not wish to kill palestinian civilians,unlike Hamas who targets civilians all the time.
89.  Turkey
J.K. ,   Brooklyn USA   (02.07.09)
# 79 It is true,Turkish diplomats did saved Jews from the Germans,and historically,relations between Turkey and Jews were good,except,in than ,Palestine, where the Jewish population suffered a lot,from the corrupt and cruel authorities.nowadays,Turkey,is split,some Turks look toward the west,and many Turks believe, that Islam is the answer, and the infidel is always guilty.Benladen,Mizbullah, Hamas,can do no wrong.This is a Turkish problem,and Turkey, will have to solve it.
90. Homeland for Jews = Ghoran is Fake
daveed ,   Los Angeles, USA   (02.07.09)
I'm coming from a Muslim country& I know that it's written in their holly book ( GHORAN ) that it is the GOD"S. OWN WORDS THe JEWS WILL NEVER HAVE A COUNTRY / HOMELAND OF THEMSELVES ," Now their problem is if they let the JEWS to have their own homeland & live in PEACE there it is like they admit to which " GHORAN IS A FAKE BOOK ,"which actually is. You think with this LOGIC that they have about us will ever be PEACI in the MIDDLE EAST ?I think NEVER because there is no way that the 1 billion & 300 million Moslem in the world VOLUNTARILY come & admit to that !. Daveed, LA
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