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Rabbi Aviner: Halacha bans Arabs from Knesset
Kobi Nahshoni
Published: 13.02.09, 08:14
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31. Theocracy or democracy?
Amos ,   USA   (02.13.09)
We know where this guy stands.
32. #8 Jonothan
David ,   USA, exile   (02.13.09)
The tone of superiority in your words, "this day and age" is laughable. What is so special about this day and age? Is it that the world has forgotten G-d? Does that make us superior? Maybe you think we are smarter or better educated. If so, that shows how uneducated you are. We certainly do not have the moral high ground. I know, we can make bigger bombs and kill people by the millions. What a day and age we are in indeed. The good Rabbi is right. There are many good Rabbis with a lot of good information. They are sometimes wrong, but at least they try and set a moral tone. Most of them anyway.
33. #9 Charles
David ,   USA, exile   (02.13.09)
You are without moral authority. No one listens to you. You just as well save your words for some who may care what an athiest thinks.
34. #12
David ,   USA, exile   (02.13.09)
Where in the world are you getting this garbage you talk? If what you say were true, Arabs in the Knesset would not be a subject of discussion in this article. There would be none in the Knesset. Pull your head out, see some light, and get a breath of fresh air. It must stink in there.
35. #26 Reuven
David ,   USA, exile   (02.13.09)
It is very very sad, but you are correct. But, lets at least give the man credit for trying to keep it in the public eye. He is doing what we all should be doing, that is, trying to take Torah to the world.
36. What is the difference between defending Halacha and Sharia?
(02.13.09)
They are both extremely outdated, they don't have any clear anwers to modern civil rights. I wish people could leave those books aside and work with their brains to create a better world. Those books were written by men and written in the past. They don't have much answers for today's world.
37. Rabbi's racist statement
Paolo Ortenzi ,   Rome, Italy   (02.13.09)
I am a staunchless supporter of Israel, even not being jewish. This statement from this rabbi, is all but belonging to Israel as democracy, it does not belong to ANY democracy. It belongs to those concepts that wanted Germany ruled only by Aryans, and Islamic countries ruled only by Muslims and Cristian countries like Spain ruled only by Cristians: UNACCEPTABLE. This happens when ideas are more important that humang beings. UNACCEPTABLE statement for Israel and for the Free World.
38. Maria UK
David ,   Canada   (02.13.09)
YES WE ARE G-Ds CHOSEN PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!! Unfortunatly since most of europe have tried to kill & rid the Jews for centuries, and now I watch your anti-Israel and yes anti-jewish demonstrations.ISREAL is now a powerful nation & now all the antisemites are scared &your choice should be to suport Israel & all the jews because that is were peace will be.OHHH yes we will defend our-selves,WE will not go to the gas chambers wiillingly and will fight to the bitter end.
39. #3 Aviner may be a dumb racist, but you seem to be one too!
David ,   Los Angeles   (02.13.09)
You read a statement from one idiotic rabbi that's racist and you write this talkback: "Why are you racists?" How do his statements mean that "you" are racists (presumably all Israelis or perhaps even all Jews) ? If I read a statement from the BNP (a neo-Nazi political party that is doing pretty well these days in the UK), should I post on the website of the TImes or the Guardian asking "Why are you racists?"????? Or are you, in typical racist fashion extrapolating from one stupid individual (or from a bunch of them, because there are more of his ilk) to a whole ethnic group or nationality? I guess you must be the type of person who will post on the website of a black newspaper "Why are you muggers?" Or "Why are you terrorists? on a Muslim website.
40. David 33 , who cares what a Exile guy thinks
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (02.13.09)
41. #3
(02.14.09)
YES!!!!!
42. #3
(02.14.09)
are jews allowed to live in saudi arabia? qatar?, quwait?, lybia?, etc... etc.... or are any religions allowed to be observed and practiced in all the arab countries such as judaism???? NO AND NO! discussion closed. would you also blame the muslims for racism as well.?
43. #19
(02.14.09)
you are right! jews are prohobited from immigrating or living as citizens in most arab countries which do not allow jews to live there. they are islamic and insist on keeping it islamic. this is why jews can't practice judaism in places like saudi arabia, lybia, quwait, bahrain, qatar, etc... etc,... those that still live there after they were mostly ethnically cleaned by the muslim arab regimes practice it in secret and always fear the arab persecution and mob pogroms. can you practice judaism or christianity in sausi arabia??? it is a crime to do so. can you live as a jew in saudi arabia? are you permitted to live there as a jew???? no! so, who is the real racist??? 20% of israeli population is muslim and christian, mainly muslim arabs. they are FREE to pwn homes, have citizenship, are part of the government, have political parties, have freedom of demonstration, elections, voting and movement in israel. israelis may not like some of them because some elements in their culture and society do all that is possible to demonstrate against the state, to vilify jews to call for the killing of jews. have you been tob any of their demonstrrations lately??? i have. you won't believe what signs they hold, including hamas, hizbullah flags and placards saying kill the jews. you know not of what is going on here. the jews are not racists. they simply refuse to be ruled by sharia law. this is a jewish nation and was established as a jewish nation. if you ask any arab in israel if he wants to go to the new palestinian state, they will think you are crazy! they enjoy their standard of living and freedom to much to leave israel. however, some elements of them are extremely hateful and disloyal. jews should be refused to run for any parliamentary office in the world??? you must be crazy. what do jews in america or europe or canada have to do with israel???? these jews do not live in israel and are entitled to run for any office they wish. what happens in israel has nothing to do with them.
44. And what about Druzim? NOTHING wrong with having non-Jew MKs
zvi   (02.14.09)
as long as they are loyal to ISRAEL and not to Iran, Hamas, Hizballah, Syria and/or al Qaeda.
45. Maria UK , # 3
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (02.14.09)
Israel is building a defense fence , and you criticise this . Do you know that India is building , for the same reasons as we do , a 4000 Km , yes four thousand , fence surrouding Bangladesh . And there you have no critics ?
46. what halacha?
Zuri ,   Sydney Australia   (02.14.09)
too much information sometime assume we are may be dealing with idiots. Our Rabbis have the right to express their opinions...we may choose to ignore such nonsense, and streight forward racism
47. Rabbi Aviner
Elizabeth Block ,   Toronto, Canada   (02.14.09)
So much for Israel being a democracy, eh?
48. WHEN ARABS SERVE IN IDF AND
andy ,   orlando   (02.14.09)
SIGN OATH OF ALLEGIANCE,THEN THEY WILL HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS.UNTIL THEN THEY ARE A FIFTH COLUMN!
49. My Israel includes Arab citizens
Israeli   (02.14.09)
what a racist.
50. # 43
Ben ,   Monroe USA   (02.14.09)
Much of what you say is accurate. There is one thing which needs to be corrected. Israel was to be a state for Jews; not a Jewish state. Ben Gurion was quite clear when he formulated the proper political set-up for ERETZ YISRAEL. He threw a few bones to the Rebbunim, but never desired to have a theocracy which seems to be the plan of the religious. It seems the citizenry of Israel agree there is a place for the religious; but do not desire that place to be instead of civil secular rule. If theocracy becomes the law of the land in Israel, she will collapse and Judaism will be destroyed.
51. #50 ben
(02.14.09)
you are absplutely correct. i have never thought israel shoulr be governed by these rabinical rules. israel must remain a secular democratic and modern state free of the religious yoke. wee are not muslim countries where religion rules everything under the sun. if we were, then we would have surely collapsed and reamined in 1948 or 7th century mentality like all arab states and regimes. in israel, thesereligious fanatics are a minority and israel does indeed follow the ben gurion doctrine to the letter. shalom.
52. James, its the Indian's land not yours.
Hasan ,   MI   (02.14.09)
Go back to Europe. Did you even know that Arabs are Semitic as well? Ignorant.
53. In general Arab Knesset members are outright traitors
Peepee ,   Ashkelon   (02.14.09)
If they were somehow pro Israel and wouldnt travel to Syria so often, I wouldnt mind their being MKs Unfortunatelly this is NOT the case
54. halacha k'Herzl
avramele   (02.14.09)
read herzl and even Jabotinsky -- arabs should have full civil and political rights in a Jewish state. and Maimonides is not an authority on the 21at century. for example, he ruled that nominal conversion to Islam was an acceptable alternative to torture and death..... he live obviously in different times under different pressures...oh and BTW he was fervent anti-messianist who would never accept the delusions of today's religious rightists.
55. 47# Elizabeth retarded
The Jewish People   (02.14.09)
Arab MKS only travel to Syria to leak security issues to our enemies as well as loby boycotts anti Israel. So they should be utterly banned, if Israel wants to Stay a democracy.
56. Religious nuts should shut up
David ,   Perth, Australia   (02.15.09)
Religion has no place in running a country, especially when the religion is based in racism and intolerance. The Rabbi is a nut, he should just shut up because all he can do it parrot the bigotry inherent in Judaism. When are Jewish people going to accept the fact that there is nothing that separates them from the rest of humanity except the poisonous attitudes of superiority and false entitlement. Shut up already. Oh, by the way, there are no gods, single or multiple, we humans are alone and must get on with each other.
57. #47 Please explain, eh?
(02.15.09)
How do the comments of this Rabbi have any bearing upon whether or not Israel is a democracy?
58. #56
(02.15.09)
ok, say you are right and you blame israel for being racist...then, now, please explain if you would hold the same feelings towards all arab nations who disallow any jew whatsoever to reside inside their coutnry. explain why in saudi arabia no jew or israeli can visit and the government doesn't allow any religion except for wahabi islam to be practiced by anyone. explain also why in saudi arabia as well as in any other arab country like jordan, saudi arabia, qatar, bahrain, etc....no jew may reside, no christian may practice his religion or build a church, no jew can live there nor build a synagogue? IS THAT NOT TRUE RACISM????? arabs in israel are FREE TO PRACTICE ISLAM, TO BUILD MOSQUES AND PRAY IN THEM EVERY FRIDAY NIGHT. they are full citizens recognized as israeli citizens and may live in israel wherever they wish and they do so in most cities. their mk's serve in our government, in the knesset and have parties in government that represent the arab israeli community. they are allowed to own land, to purchase land, to practice islam to pray, etc... so, do you think israel is still racist???? what this rabbi said IS NOT GOVERNMENT POLICY. IT IS JUST THE OPINION OF A PERSON and is not the rule in israel. so, please do not call us racists. know facts before you spew your imbecilic diatribe.
59. JEWS SHOULD BE OFFERED EQUAL RIGHTS IN MUSLIM COUNTRIES.
Petra ,   USA   (02.15.09)
60. "racism for dummies"
bubba ,   nyc   (02.15.09)
Jews are members of the semitic branch of the caucasoid race. Arabs are members of the semitic branch of the caucasoid race. Since Jews and Arabs are members of the same race , it is axiomatic that any conflict between the two groups IS NOT RACIST. Secular "I'm not Jewish, I'm Israeli" dibs in search of a culture, have a need to ape European and American slogans, however those populations are multiracial. Becoming "normal" does not mean just copying other peoples culture, it means developing your own. The only thing more gauche than Israeli's copying American cliches , is Israelis copying American rap music.
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