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Haredim attack bus, open own line
Kobi Nahshoni
Published: 19.02.09, 19:43
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1. It is a big sin to damage otherĀ“s properties.
Keren ,   Israel-SP   (02.19.09)
2. Let them run a coach line on their own expense
Besalel ,   Kew Gardens, NY   (02.19.09)
If they want to run a private coach line with zero public dollars why does anyone care?
3. What's the problem?
David   (02.19.09)
Let them run their own buses. What's wrong with that? As long as they don't expect anyone else to pay for the expenses, but themselves.
4. ARREST THEM ALL
chaya ,   bat Yam   (02.19.09)
5. oh no market competition
m ,   israel   (02.19.09)
what a tragedy....
6. Nut cases
David ,   Yerushalayim   (02.19.09)
Haredim - Non-Zionists who refuse to serve in the IDF, are not educated, don't work, don't pay taxes (but demand public money), etc. Please leave Israel - you will be welcomed in Iran.
7. How can Hareidim can't run a bus company
Aaron Kuperman ,   Baltimore, USA   (02.20.09)
In free countries, anyone is allowed to run a business, and the marketplace decides. Companies that alienate their customers, go broke. Even people with funny clothes who belong to minority groups are allowed to open a business and compete in the marketplace.
8. HOOLIGANS???
BILL HANDEL ,   BROOKLYN, NY   (02.19.09)
Since when are a group of serious Rabbis characterized as hooligans? You may not agree with the concept of strict separation of the sexes to guard against immorality, that is a valid tradition among religious jews.
9. Why can't they run their own private bus line?
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (02.19.09)
Separate bus stops, prepaid bus cards purchased at plainly marked kiosks, will prevent unwitting seculars from mistakenly boarding one of these vehicles.
10. YES! Open the sector up to competition!
Adamush   (02.19.09)
This time round, the herdim are right!
11. free market
dean ,   canada   (02.20.09)
if heredim don't want a service, egged needs to respect the lack of demand and bypass the neighborhood. This is just plain market driven demand. Egged, this isn't a communist community is it? Deal with it.
12. Why Haredim are being ridiculous
Seth ,   Portland   (02.20.09)
Some things are more efficient as a monopoly than they are under competition. A bus company can charge much less if it has a larger customer base but also faces regulation. Also, it is ridiculous to have more than one bus company running the same routes. It causes congestion and ends up making transportation more difficult than it already is in that area of Jerusalem.
13. Right to protest does not include right to damage a bus.
Bunnie Meyer ,   Los Angeles, CA USA   (02.20.09)
If they have the money to run their own buses, let them but there is no reason to keep Egged from running the same route. Let them both compete but don't eliminate either one. While on the bus they are all keeping their clothes on, I hope.
14. #8 - What part of pelting buses with rocks did you miss??
Andy ,   ramat hasharon   (02.20.09)
Yes, hooligans.
15. #7
P ,   Philadelphia   (02.20.09)
Lassiez-faire societies are not the only ones that are free, just, or well-run. In practice, letting markets decide everything can lead to disaster, to a disintegrating society, and to great injustices. It is the mark of wisdom to seek to understand when and where market competition is appropriate - the answer is not "never" or "always". Likewise, even when it is appropriate, finding correct ways to shape it remains as a challenge. A lot more goes on than you would think in keeping the conditions for American markets in place - there is a lot of enabling regulation as well as a lot of adjustments made continually.
16. Poor 'licentious' bus riders....
David ,   Hartford USA   (02.20.09)
If the bus riders are so licentious, I suggest they take a cold shower before they get on the bus. If they still have such wondering minds and eyes, then maybe these 'torah scholars' are not torah-scholar material. If we allow this to happen, Taliban-like behavior will follow. the bus must remain open for all. The Haredi will just have to be polite, like everyone else who takes the bus. And if the temptation to look at a girl on the bus is too much for them, they can close their eyes and wait until the driver yells for them to get off. Egged is Israel, don't mess with it.
17. To the stone throwers
Miriam ,   Israel   (02.20.09)
Where do you learn this behavior and who taught you how do you justify it through the Tora? Manipulating minds when it comes to spirituality is a dangerous thing..
18. IRANIANS MORE CIVILISED
Mark Rabinow ,   London uk   (02.20.09)
19. Put armed guards on Egged and let them
jason white ,   afula,israel   (02.20.09)
open fire on the rock throwers. If the yeshiva $100 to spend on the buses then let them give it to the I.D.F.! They do not contribute anything to the state.
20. War Against Egged?
NYC Girl   (02.20.09)
It sounds as if the Haredim are at war against Israel's secular majority based on the spate of incidents that have recently appeared on this site.
21. No. 18 Mark Rabinow
NYC Girl   (02.20.09)
While I have absolutely no use for religious fanatics of any stripe, I think it's somewhat hyperbolic to say that the Iranians are more civilized. I guess if you overlook the fact that while the Haredim are throwing rocks at buses (a thuggish act by any standards), the Iranians are throwing rocks at the heads of adulterers.
22. # 9 Dear old Kyle
Sagi ,   Israel   (02.20.09)
Private bus line ? Why not a private shopping mall ? A private medical service ? A private taxi company ? As far as I am concerned they can have anything they want privately,incuding their own private country, with their own private government, but not here in democratic, free thinking Israel. Freedom leads to education which leads to enlightenment, did you hear about this ?
23. Licentia
Sagi ,   Israel   (02.20.09)
is the Latin word from which we have license and licentious. The meaning of this word is "permit" and in Latin as in English it is a verb and a noun. While the word licentious has definite connotations we can not escape the fact of its root meaning.The Haredim are "licentious" by the mere fact that they "permit" themselves to act and behave as they please, and stick a finger at law, order and society.
24. Private Buses
Billie ,   Eilat   (02.20.09)
The Hotel Industry have been running a private service for employees of various businesses for years now.Egged runs a skeleton sevice which i am sure is a financial loss to them and it is basically used by the "Golden Age"population.The taxi's benifit from the situation as they are the only other public option if you have not the time to wait for the once an hour bus service.No-body seems to really care-so I'll keep on walking!!
25. TORAH
ADI   (02.20.09)
TORAH TEACHES "LOVE YOUR FELLOW JEWISH BROTHER", HERE THERE IS HATE + DESTROYING PROPERTY.. GOD HELP OUR JEWISH STATE
26. I understand their point of view
Jimmy ,   Jerusalem   (02.20.09)
Just the other day I bumped shoulders with a woman due to cramped quarters and the two of us were overcome by lust and rutted right there. Of course it was in the shower with my girlfriend but it could well have happened on the bus too! The licentiousness of Egged travel, where one might conceivably make eye contact then smile then talk then trade phone numbers then date then get married then make children (or not) is an abomination! I mean, who wouldn't be outraged by flirtation leading to love and happiness? I know G-d would certainly be upset...
27. in mexico city, the men are so out of control sexually that
debra ,   usa   (02.20.09)
women ride in separate subway cars from the men. and this is the law. perhaps this arrangement could be tried in israel--separate buses for men and women.
28. Let them use Walk and Seymore Bus Lines!
David ,   Karmiel, Israel   (02.20.09)
These are the people that Netanyahu kowtows to and will allow to influence every walk of life in Israel! I sincerely hope that Israel Beiteinu's Oath of Allegiance will apply to these parasites who leech of the State and get allowances for their kids to go to Yeshiva and not to serve in the army! Zionist kids, ultra-Orthodox, religious and secular, fight and die to protect them while the Yeshiva Bochas in the Mea Sheraim and Bnei Brak shockle and daven! They scratch their nuts while others get killed!
29. To #26: No, it would be an "abominations" if 2 guys bumped!
Davidb ,   The Galil, Israel   (02.20.09)
Of course if the 2 guys danced on the bus or in the shower it would be "Mazltov ans Simnetov"! unless they had Gay Pride kippoth or wash cloths! Well said, Jimmy!
30. To 27 Debra: USA appeasement as usual!
David ,   Karmiel, Israel   (02.20.09)
What the American Civil Liberties Union would say about your suggestion? Maybe you would advocate separate buses for Arabs so the terrorists would only blow up Jewish buses? Your reasoning would be to protect Arabs! Israel is a democracy living in the 21st Century and we will not live under the Jewish version of Sharia Law forced upon us by anti-Zionists and Haredim!
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