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Vatican irked by 'blasphemous' Israel TV show
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Published: 21.02.09, 10:22
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31. Ahhhhh they don't like to they?
israel   (02.21.09)
How much tolerance do we have to show regarding sick jokes and Holocaust denials? They don't like it when the tables are turned.
32. #3 you r a moslem, did u know christians study jewish bible?
catherina israel   (02.21.09)
33. Not The Same Thing at All
Katz ,   Miami, USA   (02.21.09)
There was a Holocaust and the Catholics helped it along. But Mary was no virgin and Jesus never walked on water.
34. RECENT VATICAN 'CHOICES' IRK HUMANITY
David P.   (02.21.09)
why would the Vatican feel it appropriate to allow a Holocaust denier an open forum?
35. Vatican's distortion
Debra ,   UK   (02.21.09)
of the teaching of Christ who came to obey the LAW and to reach harmony with Judaism, is the true blasphemy and the offensive act of intolerance that has led to the tragic history of the Jews. When holiness and truth are absent there is no sacredness to offend.
36. TV Show ridicules Mary's Virgin Birth
Mick   (02.21.09)
I can see where hes coming from but its unhelpful to say the least. israel and the jesish community held the moral high ground in this spat: why alter that?
37. to vatican: shame italians don't make comments about jewish
catherina israel   (02.21.09)
tabus that shall make us all laugh together, but make anti-semic remarks instead, for the purpose of undermining israel's right to exist.
38. #15 just let you know
avrom ,   hebron   (02.21.09)
that offense you expressed will return in your life. Every single word you produce will come beck to you with good or bad.
39. #3 Food for thought
bill ,   USA   (02.21.09)
Romans 11:25-27 "I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins." " AND Romans 11:28 -32 "As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable. Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God's mercy to you. For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all. May the truth of our Lord touch your hearts and minds and souls. Romans 11: 33-36 "Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments and his paths beyond tracing out! "Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?" "Who has ever given to God, that God should repay him?" For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be the glory forever! Amen.
40. Israelies' real face is coming out.
(02.21.09)
How offensive and vulgar one could ever get?! No wonder Israel is losing its friends day by day.
41. #3
S. Melmoth ,   TA   (02.21.09)
ONE person makes ONE comment and it's "what the Jews think." Uh-huh, very open-minded, whoever you are. "The killers of Jesus," that would be the infamous Jew Pontius Pilate, right? Get real, get into the 21st century, and stop sounding like a Moslem after those Danish cartoons. The world can say what it likes about the Jews, but the minute we open our mouths all the old blood libels get resurrected. You can respect the Moslems as much as you like, just remember that the Catholic church is pretty high on their hit list.
42. #2
S. Melmoth ,   TA   (02.21.09)
Anyone who has ever seen the Kinneret at the end of the summer after a dry winter knows that an elephant could walk on the algae-mud slush and not sink.
43. #10
S. Melmoth ,   TA   (02.21.09)
"it is well known that the jewish tribes killed the prophets. " Sure, by all the ignorant anti-Semites who believe all the propaganda the church and mosque have fed them and have swallowed their lies hook, line and sinker without ever bothering to investigate any historical facts. The priest spews out the blood libel and the Christians believe it because it makes their insecurities and jealousy of the Jews so much easier to handle.
44. Don't make an elephant from a mouse
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (02.21.09)
It was a satiric program , tasteless maybe , i did'nt watch it . But to be "irked" ? We all know jokes about Christians , Jesus . And the Christians tell jokes about us . It are only jokes , don't dramatise .
45. Insults?You Aint Seen Nothing Yet
Lawrence ,   Safed Israel   (02.21.09)
Offensive? Try this for size.:The Pope and his followers can kiss my hairy ,smelly Butt.
46. The Only Mary I Knew DEFINATELY
Lawrence ,   Safed Israel   (02.21.09)
Was not a virgin,well at least not after she met me.
47. vatican
Bachrach Andres ,   Kfarsaba   (02.21.09)
The priests who are teaching you that love is sin,and to have a baby in a normal way is a shame and it is a sin,it is all right with me.But it is not allright with me,that the same priesthood everywhere in the world predicates from their pulpit a hate in a way,that without which the hollocoust could'nt be happened .I know it becouse I was there from the beginning till the end of it.Escaped,and live in I S R A EL Alone without Mother Father and brother. Andi mihakfar
48. 45 , that's your level , very low as always
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (02.21.09)
A "great" argument , falling so low , but that's your regular way , and your level .
49. Why didn't the Pope 'turn the other cheek'
Ilan ,   Ariel   (02.21.09)
And speaking of cheek. This idiot Shlein is a crude and insensitive crackpot, but he is not an official of the Israeli government and has apologized. We have scores of insensitive boors in Israel with access to the public airwaves. It has something to do with the concept called 'free speech'. If my government makes one of them into an official with equivalent ranking to a Bishop please get back to us. Until then take the beam out of your eye.
50. Who cares????!!!!
Avi ,   Israel   (02.21.09)
Israel is Jewish. No one cares what Vatican, Catholics, Protestants, Christians, and whoever say. This is our country. We can say whatever we want, don't watch us if you don't like what we say then.
51. Achille's Heel...
Abdel Karim Salim ,   Jerusalem - ISRAEL   (02.21.09)
Impartiality and objectivity are two rare commodities that very few people possess.Lior Shlein is hereby showing a high degree of immoral behavior,low-class reaction,and poor level of personal ethics.What I can tell is that Lior is hitting not only the Vatican, but all Christians below the belt (which is totally forbidden in a duel ). Lior Shlein is infuriating the entire Christian world just for the sake of penalizing some holocaust deniers. This is absolutely no fair fight. Did Shlein survive "Mary" and "Jesus" to boast openly that the former was not a virgin and the latter was so fat ??? Absolutely not... Let me shoot back : how could I believe " Moses " received the Ten Commandments in Mount Sinai ? Equally ,could " Yosef " have crossed the Red Sea or Suez Gulf while running away from Egypt's Pharaoh and his army ? Likewise my wiseful mind can not believe the prophet of Moslems travelled at the speed of light atop a winged horse " Buraq " from Mecca to Jerusalem from where he ascended to heaven to meet an invisible Allah and his angels... All these seem kidergarden fiction fairy tales... But my point is that Lior Shlein is simply hitting Achille's Heel of Christians by attacking and insulting their religion and beliefs because he knows it is the weak point of zealous Christians ,that weak point that would suffice to make them fume and lose their temper. Fortunately I am secular and religions to me are simply an opiate. Lior's remarks could be the inception of a modern-age violent and bloody crusade which everybody is not in need of.Otherwise,if the Christians' reaction turn out to be painful then Lior would be the right figure to blame and it would serve him right.
52. #48 I Am Lower Than A Snakes'Pupik
Lawrence ,   Safed Israel   (02.21.09)
Why be high when being low is SUCH fun.?
53. No. 2
Maureen ,   Zürich, Switzerland   (02.21.09)
Yes Ali, He did walk on water, and did a lot more than that both in His short lifespan on Earth, and even today. He lives Ali, and very much so. Of course that is the belief of the Christians, so keep your eyes peeled here... there's going to be a lot of "hair standing on end". LOL!
54. #53..Maureen
Malone ,   Hfx   (02.22.09)
I've walked on too,actually skated on it,played hockey on it....mind you it was frozen.
55. Hell low Lawrence!
Sean ,   Montreal, Quebec   (02.22.09)
To quote my Parish priest, "What.... a vulgar, loud and obnoxious Jewish comic? Now that's news!
56. Oh, I'm touched by irked Vatican!
Ilan ,   Israel   (02.22.09)
Christians are in no positions of criticizing Jews. We know very well about Christians' killings and pogroms for 2000 years. We had enough of your hypocricy. We have our country and laugh at anything we want. Stay away from us and leave us alone.
57. #43 speaking of ignorant people
jerusalem   (02.22.09)
wow, what a comeback. Very non-ignorant of you by the way. You arent better than the big nobody that the article is about-why dont you join him, you'd be famous. I hope you know that in the Islamic faith also that they believe that the jews killed the prophets, finding anyway to silence and rid them. yes, yes, Everyone is an "anti-semite," and pigs can fly and there actually ARE pink elephants. btw, hows that one family going; the one who listened to their rabbi and let the molesting of their child trail on for so long?
58. Charles: Self-Admitted Pork-Eating Atheist "Jew" (12th try)
Paqid Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (02.22.09)
Ynet protects Charles from criticism for his slandering and character assassination. Anyone who looks at what I write--dismantling Christianity and Islam and admonishing people to turn to Torah, exactly opposite to Christianity and Islam--and still tries to convince people that I am Christian is either illiterate, retarded or a hate-driven, ranting, racist crank. Note that those who attack me with baseless ad hominems are pork-eating atheists, Christians, sodomists, superstitious slanderers offering no quotations, refusing to "man up" and identify themselves and demonstrating that they cannot dispute the content. The Orthodox rabbis, beit din documents and Orthodox synagogue (Moreshet Avot, Ra'anana) in which I have been a member in good standing for more than a decade certify me as a Jew. Then Chief Rabbi Mordekhai Eliyahu wrote me, via his personal assistant, extending his wishes for blessings and success to me -- in response to my letter laying out exactly who I am and what I'm doing. A copy of the letter is in included in my book, "Who Are the Netzarim?" which anyone can purchase and see for himself or herself. No Christian missionaries--or atheists--ever received such a letter. Everyone who thinks ANY anonymous slanderer outranks the Orthodox rabbis--including the Chief Rabbi, beit din and beit k'nesset... follow him and see where you wind up! When a pork-eating atheist defender of Euro-Christians (in many other articles) calls a certified Jew and critic of Christians a Christian you know who's the liar and fool. Orthodox Jews are Israel, the Bride of ha-Sheim. We answer to Halakhah and the Orthodox Jewish Beit Din; NOT to demands of Christians (or other gentiles), pork-eating atheists, sodomists and the like. Torah describes the born-Jew who eschews the b'rit: Esau. A twin of Yaaqov--born of the same mother, who became Yisraeil, Eisau was expelled from the House of Yitzkhaq and became NOT a Jew but the patriarch of the Edomite Arabs. (Edom is a cognate of "red" referring to the meal of red lintels he accepted in place of his inheritance.) One of the best known Edomite Arabs in history was King Herod, whose followers were called "Herodians" in the NT. An atheist blaming G-d for the Holocaust has rejected the b'rit Torah--the definition of misojudaism. He rejected the b'rit for nothing (except perhaps pork or lobster). Putting belief in the absence of god before ha-Sheim is no less idolatry than putting belief in a rival god before ha-Sheim; a misojudaic meshumad no less than Jews for J*sus. Because he far exceeds Jews for J*sus in his rejection of Judaism, he is inferior to any self-respecting Jews for J*sus. Not only that, he persists that Christians really love you so not to worry; just like preceding the Shoah. Look what that voice cost you and you still put up with it. Everyone has neshamah (breath or "soul"); but only a Torah-keeper has a "Jewish" neshamah, which is, by definition, Judaic--the b'rit of Torah. Defining oneself as a Jew with a non-Jewish neshamah is either a fool's contradiction or blatant racism. Blaming "G-d" for the Holocaust, instead of the evil men who were responsible, Charles has also frequently slandered Judaism, Orthodox rabbis and even former Chief Rabbis. He epitomizes why so much of the world hates Jews: an atheist hate-monger spewing racist bile and slander who claims to be one of the people "Chosen by G-d." No wonder it infuriates decent people in so much of the world! Many of my friends suffered family losses in the Shoah. But none turned into a hateful, blameshifting, racist. Paqid Yirmeyahu Paqid 16, The Netzarim, Ra'anana, Israel Israeli Orthodox Jew (Teimani Baladi Dardai) Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il
59. I mightn't believe in Sana Claus or the Easter Bunny but
lydia ,   Brisbane, Australia   (02.22.09)
I wouldn't be daft enough to deny their existence in front of millions and millions of believers even if they were mostly little children.
60. Stop hypocrisy
Franklin ,   Paris   (02.22.09)
Rav YEOCHOUA was NOT A CHRISTIAN ...AND EVEN NOT A MUSLIM. THIS MAN BELONG FIRST ....TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE AND HIS HISTORY....WHAT EVER THE LEGENDS OR STORIes. THE DUTY OF A POPE IS TO BE CAREFUL WITH THE SAGA OF CHRISTIANISM AND THE MILLIONS OF ATROCITIES PERPETRATED TO "DEFEND" YEOSHOUA MEMORY
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