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Time to face the truth
Moshe Elad
Published: 21.03.09, 16:24
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1. Oh please
Cameron ,   USA   (03.21.09)
The mutual loathing of Palis & Israelis utterly defines the whole process. Always has, always will. Blame the West for the self-generated failures & games of 2 groups who hate eachother's guts? This posting simply danced around that critical fact, and looks to stack failure on the backs of foreign parties.
2. The author has lied to himself
Jheheng   (03.21.09)
There is in fact no such thing as "the Palestinians" - there are just Arabs and Jews. In adopting the lying language of the Arab Mohammedan enemy, he's wasted his life on a lot of nonsense.
3. So far so good (END)
Marty ,   USA   (03.21.09)
4. Western dishonesty? You must be joking!
Ussishkin ,   Tel Aviv   (03.21.09)
The prize for self delusion must primarily go to the outgoing leader of our country, hotly pursued by the almost dead unmourned bulldozer, then the so-called most decorated military hero we never had and lastly the man who God help us may be our next leader. They all deserve the Nobel prize for dishonesty to our people and then to themselves. We too the people share the blame for accepting those leaders blindly and their message that its good to be paranoid. As long as we think that excess in all we do is the way of all normal people so we will avoid peace and expend cheaply generations of young lives. We have driven ourselves to the abyss and there's no one left to get us out of it.
5. The Land of Israel is Jewish.
Robert Bernier ,   Tel Aviv   (03.21.09)
Arabs should accept that just as Ire-Land is the Land of the Irish and Eng-Land the Land of the English and Fin-Land the Land of the Finns, the name Eretz Yisrael means the Land of the Israelis. The identity of the land is the same as the identity of the nation residing in it; therefore, the Nation of Israel, the Jews, cannot be an occupier of the Land of Israel. The Crusaders named the land “Kingdom of Jerusalem.” The Arab occupation did not have a name for the land; it was referred to merely as “southern Syria.” For 1,300 years, the land had no identity in the absence of the Biblical Jewish nation that identified itself with it. No one claimed ownership but our nation. This is the entire story. The Arabs demand that Ehud Olmert transfer the land free and clear of Jews. As long as there are Jews in Judea, that place cannot not be called by its false name – “Palestine.” The only thing that stops the cadre of traitors from transferring our land to the enemy, already at our gates, is their inability to uproot the settlements. Those communities halt the wheels of destruction as explained at : http://xrl.us/bi9g8
6. We have unquestionable rights on the Land of Israel.
Robert Bernier ,   Tel Aviv   (03.21.09)
The historical and political truth about our rights and legitimity is unquestionable The Jews have the right to build and live freely in their country. We have modern political rights dating back to the First World War: "After World War I, the borders and countries that today make up the Middle East were created - Iran, Iraq, Syria, etc. Modern Israel was created the same way! The countries of the world charged Britain [in the San Remo Resolution of 1920, based on the League of Nations and Balfour Declaration] with creating a 'national homeland' for the Jewish People, based on the 'historical rights' of the Jews, and calling for Jewish immigration and settlement here. Only a quarter of the land, including Hevron and Shechem, originally designated for the Jews by the League of Nations, was left for us. The historical and political truth about rights and legitimity can be read in its 5 parts at : http://xrl.us/bi5c6
7. Moshe is an IDIOT! YHVH will NEVER allow the land to be
given to decendants ,   of allah. NEVER!!!!   (03.21.09)
8. Moshe, please spare yourself the humiliation of writing Part
2. Part 1 was just a ,   bunch of bullshi! !!   (03.21.09)
9. Pointless Negotiation
David Rosenberg ,   New York, USA   (03.21.09)
I happen to agree with the premise of this article. It is indeed pointless for Israel to continue negotiating. Ever since the start of the Oslo process, Israel has given and recieved terror, destruction, and death of its citizens in return while the PA has achieved money, international acceptance, and allowed to carry on with their acts of terrorism under the guise of international legitimacy. This whole process has eroded Israel's standing in the world to the point where its very right to exist as a sovereign Jewish democratic state is openly questioned by a large segment of the global population. Israel is percieved as weak and the end result has been a resurgence of antisemitism not seen since the rise of the Third Reich. It is time to find a new way, outside of the failed Oslo Peace Process, for accomodating Israel's security, the inalenable right of the Jewish people to settle in all of the land of Israel, and self governance for the Arabs within the boundries of Eretz Israel. That solution has to involve active the participation of Jordan which is essentially a Palestinian State in itself.
10. Right On So Far
Dan ,   USA   (03.21.09)
11. What concessions have the pals made ever?
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12. If Arabs/Muslims REALLY cared about one another.....
Aaron ,   SF, USA   (03.22.09)
then the 23 Arab countries, which make up 600 times the amount of land Israel has, would take in their poor, poor, "Palestinians" and give them refuge in the country that they were originally part of.
13. jews are more palestinian than many arab
z, the monarchist   (03.22.09)
14. The author just figured it out?
AK   (03.22.09)
I new in 1993 that the negotiations will end in disaster for Israel --just a bit of common sense. You don't cede territory to the enemy for nothing but a piece of worthless paper. The deal with Egypt was not a success, either, which leads me to believe that Israeli leaders should stay away from any negotiating tables with Arabs as far as possible. So far it has been land , money, arms and live terrorists exchanged for worthless paper and dead bodies of Israelis. Now, there is nothing more to negotiate away except the very existence of Israel. Please, stop negotiating. Just stop.
15. Robert Bernier -- What makes you think..
AK   (03.22.09)
Muslims in general, including Arabs, believe that Ireland belongs to Irish or England belongs to English? In fact, they don't. But many in Europe also fail to grasp it, and the Leftist quislings brainwash the masses into accepting Islamization of Europe by Islamic invaders, presenting it as a civil rights issue and thus a 'supreme good,' just like the Israeli Leftists champion the rights of Arabs, who will cut their throats as soon as they can . Israeli Left must be made to answer for their errors and publicly accept responsibility -- there is no other way.
16. To Ussishkin #4. Real Help Can ONLY Be Given By.
Maansingh ,   The Netherlands   (03.22.09)
You say :” We have driven ourselves to the abyss and there's no one left to get us out of it.” There is ONE person left who can get us out of it -- it is YAHWEH, the Supreme Lord. By praying to HIM for guidance you will receive guidance -- guidance in what to do. I have read your TB, and it screams for help. I can tell you that real help can ONLY be given by YAHWEH, the Supreme Lord, -- and by NO one else. Be assured of that. Not only you should pray, the decision makers in Israel should ALSO pray to YAHWEH, the Supreme Lord, for guidance. BTW do NOT think that there is no YAHWEH. Do NOT think that YAHWEH, the Supreme Lord, doesn’t exist. HE exists and HE is a person. HE is the Supreme Person. AS such, HE can hear you -- IF you are open to HIM, IF you accept HIM as your original Father. Place your questions before HIM. HE is perfectly capable to answer your questions. WHY ? Because HE is your Supreme Father, being supremely powerful. You are HIS dear child.
17. #16, Spare them the BS
Aaron ,   SF, USA   (03.22.09)
Are you seriously imposing more religion on top of Israelis? As if you are so oblivious to the REAL problem in the middle east and the lovely, peace filled, jew friendly Quaran. The same people who answer to "one god" with such dedication are the same who blow themselves up in civillian populated areas. How many Jews do you see chanting "Adonai Echad!" before pulling a detonation chord?
18. Maansingh, God helps those who help themselves.
AK   (03.22.09)
Israelis MUST stop the fake 'Peace Process' and that can only be achieved with the very public admission that it was all a very costly and tragic mistake and error in judgment, from the very beginning. I remember Rabin claiming that 'risks must be taken' so that Israeli young people do not have to fight wars. Well, since 1993, more young Israelis died than before, wars were still fought, terror attacks were more common than before and the very right of Israel's existence was brought into question, not only by Arabs, but by Europeans and now Obama's Americans, as well. This is all the result of the 'peace process' and the main architect of this disaster is Israel's 'esteemed' and still unrepentant and still meddling and still doing damage President --Shimon Peres. Until Israelis officially declare the 'peace process' a lie, a failure and deception to destroy Israel and until treasonous Left is made to answer for the smear campaign against their own country, Israel hasn't got a chance, God or no God. Between 1933 and 1945 God allowed the unthinkable to happen, so there is no reason to believe in a divine intervention to solve all man-made problems.
19. So far so good!
Jon ,   NYC, USA   (03.22.09)
20. To AK #18. A Two Year Sabbatical From.
Maansingh ,   The Netherlands   (03.22.09)
You say :” Israelis (should) officially declare the 'peace process' a lie, a failure and deception to destroy Israel ..” I agree with that. BUT one thing we should understand -- that we (i.e. you and I) are NOT the Supreme Lord. We (i.e. you and I) have our plan -- and YAHWEH, the Supreme Lord, has HIS plan. One should know that the Supreme Lord’s plans are carried out ALWAYS. While our (i.e. your and mine) plans may or may not be carried out. SO, I would propose to the Israeli political leaders to tell the international community that they are taking a two year sabbatical from the “peace process”. Two year sabbatical from the “peace process” means there should be NO talk about ceding lands, NO talk about right of return, NO talk about Jerusalem, NO talk about giving the Palestinians an own state. IN this two years sabbatical the Israeli political leaders SHOULD pray to YAHWEH, the Supreme Lord, for guidance on a daily basis, seven days a week. BTW if within this two year sabbatical the terrorists carries out an attack on Israeli civilians -- the Israeli Government SHOULD destroy the home of the terrorist, the home of his parents, and confiscate their properties. BTW why should the Israeli political leaders pray to YAHWEH, the Supreme Lord ? Because YAHWEH, the Supreme Lord, is the owner of the Land of Israel, which includes Judea & Samaria.
21. I agree with Elad - Pals have torpedoed peace
JPS ,   Efrat   (03.22.09)
The Palestinians have successfully torpedoed and sunk the peace process. Elad is very black and white and says quite clearly: The Palestinians "have neutralized any possibility of a genuine peace process and prevented any chance of ending the conflict and reaching a historic compromise." The right-to-return of all Pals to Israel is not just a non-starter, it's a peace process ender. The Pals don't want to compromise on this:? Ok, in that case there is no way that there will be peace. It's simple, and Elad is right.
22. Yeah, how about we face the truth?
GUH   (03.22.09)
The truth is that the truth is the bane of Israel's existence!!!
23. Yeah, #12, that is exactly what you want them to do!
Faisal Tleeshy   (03.22.09)
Reward Israel for kicking them out, having them absorbed into "600 times the size of Israel," encouraging this to become "300 times the size, 200 times... etc..." until you will have every last square inch of what DOES NOT BELONG TO YOU!!!!!!! (How's that for truth :)))))))
24. Yeeezz you are all Arab origin!
Tayfun_Turkey ,   Istanbul   (03.22.09)
Well I will read full article soon but at first glance from Headline I hope you discovered the fact that you are all arabs!
25. to #24 you idiot
ghostq   (03.23.09)
not arabs but hebrews both had the same fatheryou twat, duh that how you treat your cousins??? I hate to think what you r doing to your enemys.
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