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Jerusalem: Haredim launch segregated bus line
Kobi Nahshoni
Published: 22.03.09, 12:02
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1. Good idea keep them off public transport
Avi ,   Rannana   (03.22.09)
Great idea, keep these troublemakers off public transport altoghether. Lets hope they get their own airline soon so we dont have to put up with their nonsense on flights as well !
2. Free?
LarryT ,   K.Sava   (03.22.09)
Nothing is free in this country. So who is footing the bill?
3. thes guys
ghostq   (03.22.09)
need segregetion to their brain.
4. Why oh why
Sagi ,   Israel   (03.22.09)
can't these strange people cut themselves off from society and leave us all alone. It would be better for them and us.
5. let them have it if they hire the bus not paid for by munic
zionist forever   (03.22.09)
As long as the Hardim themselves and don't expect the Jerusalem municipality to pay for it then let then let them have it its no different to hiring a bus to go on a trip. Just the municipality not providing for a spesific sector when there is a viable alternative which everybody else uses. Most orthadox jews will happily sit or stand on a mixed bus with a woman at their side. Judaism doesn't say there is anything wrong with looking as long as you don't touch at least not in an intimate way. If these Haredim have so much trouble controling their urges sounds like the busses are not the issue maybe its something they should discuss with their wives not Egged.
6. back to the middle age
Shaul ,   Israel   (03.22.09)
7. Why are these people so obsessed with sex?
Dorothy Friend ,   Tel Aviv   (03.22.09)
And they have the nerve to say that secular people are!
8. #5 - I have no problem with their racism...
LarryT ,   K.Sava   (03.22.09)
but if they are getting it for free someone is paying for it. This basically means that they need less money from me because they have enough already
9. Shut up,Egged!
Keren ,   Israel-SP   (03.22.09)
Let the Haredim live the way they chose! If Egged is unable to create peace among Jews,then SHUT THE HECK UP! They are Jews and have the right to choose their way of living in Israel! What a bunch of trouble makers is this Egged!
10. how many times did adam touch eve?
israel   (03.22.09)
god created men and women to be together - to love each other and have a warm intimate relationship - these fools don't understand it - they cannot draw the line between immoral and warm and loving - sorry for them - they should keep off secular buses and airlines - they make the rest of us sick with their overbearing behavour
11. Trying to force sexual segretation
Jewish grandmother ,   Israel   (03.22.09)
on public transport is illegal, insulting and NOT REQUIRED by Jewish religious law. If these sexually-obsessed cults have a problem with males and females meeting in public they must finance their own private transport. They have already gone to the extremes in some locations of separate entrances for food shops & simcha halls. I have also seen how ancient Rabbis tombs in Israel now have separate entrances making them look exactly like public lavatories!
12. What's the Problem?
David Feigenbaum ,   Netanya, Israel   (03.22.09)
If a portion of the public wants a certain service, why should it not be provided? No one is forcing anyone to use the segregated service. Would those who oppose it also oppose providing chocolate ice cream in addition to vanilla? If you don't like chocolate, don't buy it.
13. No problem. if...
David Yashar ,   Jerusalem   (03.22.09)
The libertarian in me has no problem with charedim setting up their own bus line to get the type of service they desire. However, I wouldn't be surprised if within a few months, the charedim insist on a state subsidy for the line, which our gut-less politicians will quickly approve. And the bottom line is that we the taxpayers will be paying for a segregated line.
14. I just shake my head and laugh!
Bob O'Really ,   Australia   (03.22.09)
How do you expect the rest of the world to take jews and Israel seriously? Are jewish men wimps? Next they will demand segregated pedestrian crossings!
15. why is egged so determent not to make the chareidem happy
Tom ,   Vermont   (03.22.09)
give the the servise thy deserve a option of mehadrin or allow them to open their own servise is Israel a communist country not allowing jews to keep to their customs now those who don"t keep the torah have no right to bash the chareidem b'cuz if yes u r like the communist
16. Capitalism vs Socialism
Airborne ,   Jerusalem   (03.22.09)
The Haredi capitalists want their own bus lines, managed, run by their own and that suit their needs; however, the socialists state is preventing entreaupaneurship because it needs the Haredi public to keep riding their buses to keep the unions and pension plans inflated.
17. racism????? #5
bubba ,   nyc   (03.22.09)
sexual separation is racism? I think you need a basic dictionary.
18. Why #5 racist? He's right!
Airborne ,   Jerusalem   (03.22.09)
Why #5 racist? He's right! He is making the difference between public and private enterprise.
19. to #14 lol you sound
ghostq   (03.22.09)
lil foolish mate, talk on segregation??? I suggest you give the Aborigines their full rightes, just wondering how hard the bomerang you played with hit you on your head.
20. Live & let live!!
Mark ,   Manhattan   (03.22.09)
Israel is a democratic country right? so let them do whatever they want!! Are they harming anybody? are they threatening anybody? Who cares!!! they want separate seating, let them have separate seating!! Why all the hate!!!
21. # 14 Bob O'really, Austraalia
petra ,   uSA   (03.22.09)
Check your own Australian history, many Aboiginees were taken from their parents in order to 'westernize' them. Proud of that are you? Sounds worse than anything Israel ever did. Agreed? If I were you, I'd find a way to teach your muslims to respect your rights as well. I hear they rape your women on beaches for wearing bikinis. I also hear the muslims are told by your PM to get the hell out of Australia if they cannot live w/ their laws. Seems you aussies have a plague of your own, islam. Now, who will be alive in 100 years, you, or them?
22. #18
bubba ,   ntc   (03.22.09)
racism by definition is about race. It is not about gender, tribe or public vs. private. You may want to use a dictionary before posting.
23. LOL! Next stop Riyadh!
Shimon ,   Cincinnati, USA   (03.22.09)
IMHO, this is such a step forward... to the 3rd century.
24. Joke of the century
Moish ,   Jerusalem   (03.22.09)
Israel is a " well-managed western state" ? Israel is a third world Banana Republic run by an unelected corrupt dictator who is under 3 indictments! Every petty little bureaucrat runs their own Ministry as a personal fiefdom based on "protektzia" Who cares what the Hareidm do?Be happy that they have their own bus service!
25. Israel is only second to Iran in middle east on Modernism
Tayfun_Turkey ,   Istanbul   (03.22.09)
What is the difference of Israel as to modernism when you segragate busess woman and men like Iran? Israel is second to Iran in modernism!
26. proud of what we are
zevi ,   jlm   (03.22.09)
I am proud for the chareidim standing up for their rights. Yes, possibly lehalacha a segregated bus is not necessary, but many people are willing to impose extra kedusha on themselves. Egged decided to continue to force their doctrine on them, and they will succesfully fight back! We all know that if the arabs were the ones demanding separate buses they would be granted immediately. The war between those that are trying to destroy yiddishkeit and those that want to preserve it is just heating up. The frum will join together, and its ironic that the frei are just causing more achdus. The day will come when the frum will be granted autonomy within the medina. As for a well managed western state, the West allows for a lot more religious accomodations than the State of Israel. They should learn about religious freedoms. The State makes accomodations for the Muslims, but not the Chareidim.
27. n.y.c. has private segregation too
nicole ,   israel   (03.22.09)
williamsburgh chareidim run their own segregated buslines through manhattan, complete with separate bus stops along lower 5th ave. no one's up in arms over that.
28. Ethical buyers seek an ethical product, Egged won't deliver.
Bunnie Meyer ,   Los Angeles, CA USA   (03.22.09)
29. FANTASTIC IDEA !!!
a jerusalemite   (03.22.09)
When Hareidim forced everyone to segragate in certain Jerusalem bus lines, some people (as myself) did not like the idea. Now these guys organized themselves ON THEIR OWN w/o the financing of any one other than themselves/ fantastic!!!! Egged wont stand loosing grip on the monopol of Jerusalem transportation.
30. No. 27 Nicole
NYC Girl   (03.22.09)
You're correct about the Haredi-run buslines in NYC. However, no one is up in arms over it because the Haredim don't have the power to inflict their medieval practices on the people of New York. But it's another story in Israel where they continue to up the ante any time their demands are capitulated to. As an example, consider the fact that El Al used to fly on the Sabbath until the religious parties coerced a Likud government into putting a stop to it. But that wasn't sufficient to satisfy them, and now they expect El Al to provide them with flights where the men and women will be segregated. And when you realize that the Haredim are a very small percentage of the Israeli population, it's amazing that they feel they have the right to coerce an overwhelmingly secular public to cave into their demands.
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