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Palestinian students say beaten at checkpoint
Ali Waked
Published: 30.03.09, 21:11
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1. Competing with Ha'aretz?
Shimon ,   Manchester, UK   (03.30.09)
Is there a prize for the Israeli paper which carries the most blood libels this month?
2. To shimon #1
motti   (03.30.09)
3. To Shimon #1
motti   (03.30.09)
And if it actually true, would you still call it a "blood libel"? Our shame is that these sorts of incidents turn out to be absolutely true. The underlying themes are as follows: 1. - the Pals are sub-human so it's ok to beat them just as long as we do it away from "unsympathetic" eyes 2. - when they complain, it's ok to automatically denounce them as liars, whether they speak the truth or not 3. - when truth is exposed, we deflect our guilt, pointing instead to the collective guilt of the Pals, which brings us back to point 1. That is our shame. We do God no honor when we repeatedly behave in such unGodly ways. We continually fall back on self-righteousness claiming our mantle as being the light unto nations. That claim would be much more believable if we weren't always behaving as if we were a blight unto nations instead.
4. SERIOUS STUFF!!
Arie ,   BaGolan   (03.30.09)
until I saw the article was written by ali waked and realized it was nothing more than pa/hamass propaganda.
5. Shimon: PLEASE, SPARE US!
Arie ,   BaGolan   (03.30.09)
No media can compare with the German owned haaretz for sheer hatred of the Jewish State. Even al jazeera has posted tamer articles than those appearing routinely in that anti-Jewish rag
6. #3 what a self jew! u r a disgrace, get out of Israel w/pali
(03.30.09)
friends. it's leftists jackasses like you that just as bad as the palis. FYI, pali are born terrorists, liars, cheats, and that's just the tip of the iceberg. NO SYMPATHY FOR PALIS! Thankfully the new gov. will teach you a lesson. U don't like it, move out of Israel, enough with those selft righteous leftists, maybe hussein obama has a job for you.
7. #3Motti: guilt eaten imbecile
(03.30.09)
8. Palestinian "Students"? Certainly an oxymoron
Mongo ,   Paris   (03.31.09)
Sure they weren´t students of terror?
9. Moti ha Kaskeshan
(03.31.09)
are you Ish Shalom or Ish Yair?
10. Pallywood along with graffiti war crimes and stealing candy
rachel ,   usa   (03.31.09)
war crimes from the BBC last week ...anything they can put on Israel ....
11. Propaganda
Ron ,   Jamestown, USA   (03.31.09)
Hey Ali, how about some fake pictures to go along with this fake story. Why don't you hide behind some women and children too. Now that would be a real story.
12. Whatever
Brad ,   USA   (03.31.09)
If there actually was a beating, (a huge if) then let's just call it an "honor beating". You know, just like the "honor killings" that the muslims inflict on the truly innocent among them. These are usually women, but then again, women are the only people that muslims can actually win against.
13. QURAN: ALLAH IS PRO-ISRAEL, AGAINST PALESTINIAN STATE(part1)
Mohammed ,   Mecca, Saudi Arabia   (03.31.09)
Muslims are not the Israelites or Children of Israel but are the Ishmaelites. Muslims are from the bloodline of Prophet Ismail (Ishmael). The Jews or Children of Israel are from the bloodline of Prophet Ishaq (Isaac) and Prophet Yaqub (Jacob). Not only does the Quran acknowledge that the land (of Israel) belongs to the Jews but the Jewish Bible (Torah) and Christian Bible also make such acknowledgment. Also, Muslims were never enslaved in Egypt for hundreds of years by Pharaoh. Pharaoh enslaved the Children of Prophet Yaqub (Jacob). Allah then sent Musa (Moses) to save the Jews from Pharaoh's tyranny. When the Children of Israel were saved, Allah gave Musa (Moses) the Torah on Mount Sinai. The Ishmaelites didn’t receive the Torah. The Israelites received the Torah. Surah 44 Verse 30: "We did deliver aforetime the Children of Israel from humiliating Punishment," Surah 44 Verse 31: "Inflicted by Pharaoh, for he was arrogant (even) among inordinate transgressors." Surah 10 Verse 75: "Then after them sent We Moses and Aaron to Pharaoh and his chiefs with Our Signs. But they were arrogant: they were a people in sin." Surah 2 Verse 50: "And remember We divided the sea for you and saved you and drowned Pharaoh's people within your very sight." Allah promised the land (of Israel) to the twelve sons/tribes/chieftains of Prophet Yaqub (Jacob) in surah 17 verse 104 & surah 5 verse 12 (among others). Prophet Musa (Moses) and Prophet Haroon (Aaron) were from the Israelite tribe of Levi and are regarded as Levites. Muslims have no connection to the twelve tribes of Israel. Therefore, Muslims have no right to the land of Israel. Muslims can only visit the land of Israel. All of the suicide bombings and terrorist acts around the world are as a result of Palestinians' rejection of Allah's command. If "Palestinians" adhered to Allah’s word in the Quran, the world would be a more peaceful place. There is no real peace in the world today because of the actions of "Palestinians" occupying non-Muslim land. "Palestinians" have brainwashed the Arab world into thinking that they have a right to the land (of Israel). Allah promised the Jews that he would gather them amongst various nations and return them to their land of promise (Israel). "Palestinians" are leading the Muslim world into conflict with Allah. Surah 6 verse 21 states, "Who doth more wrong than he who inventeth a lie against Allah or rejecteth His signs? But verily the wrong-doers never shall prosper". "Palestinians" went against Allah by inventing this lie of "Palestine" over the holy nation of Israel and rejected Allah’s signs of the return of Israel in the Quran. As a result of Palestinians’ violation of surah 6 verse 21, Allah fulfilled his promise of making certain that "the wrong-doers never shall prosper". Today, "Palestinians" have one of the highest rates of poverty and jobless claims in the world. The "Palestinians" also duped the Islamic world into chanting "Death to Israel". Chanting "Death to Israel" is the equivalency of saying "Death to the Prophet Yaqub (Jacob)". The term "Israel" is a very holy name in the Quran. The Quran makes it very clear that the term "Israel" derives from the Prophet Yaqub (Jacob) and his twelve sons. I will also never say "Al mout li Israil" (Death to Israel) because the Jews just like the Muslims are descendants of Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham). Our roots connect with Ibrahim (our Prophet and Father) and we are cousins. Every time "Palestinians" send rockets into Israel and conduct suicide missions in Israel, "Palestinians" declare war on Prophet Ibrahim because Israel is the homeland of Ibrahim as well as Prophets Isa (Jesus), Ishaq (Isaac), Yaqub (Jacob), Yusef (Joseph), Dawud (King David), Lut (Lot), Haroon (Aaron), Sulayman (King Solomon), Yunus (Jonah), Al-Yasa (Elisha), Zakariya (Zechariah), Yahya ibn Zakariyya (John the Baptist) and Ilyas (Elijah). All of these wonderful Israeli people are prophets in Islam.
14. Moti / 3
Gil ,   Tel Aviv   (03.31.09)
You start off your post on a hypothetical note and end it on a "guilty until proved innocent" one. The problem with Israelis like you is that you are so demoralized that you have actually given up trying to defend yourself from perceived international criticism, opting rather for self flaggelation. Wake up and realise that to be Israeli you don't have to act like a ghetto Jew from the 30s.
15. #3 - motti, "these sorts of incidents...
Joe ,   Ramat Gan   (03.31.09)
...turn out to be absolutely true"- like the Palestinian who was supposedly shot to death by a settler, but whose autopsy proved that he was killed when the stone he threw at a Jewish vehicle ricocheted back and struck him in the head? The real underlying themes are as follows: 1. Jews are subhumans, so it's OK to issue false allegations because nobody will believe them when they prove the opposite. 2. When Jews have complaints, all they say is that we should feel sorry for them because of Antisemitism and the Holocaust (which most likely never happened). 3. Nobody should feel sorry for or upset about the Holocaust because the Israelis are inflicting a Holocaust against the Palestinians. When the exact opposite is proved, we can always refer back to Point #1. The very fact that is that this is what most of our neighbors believe because this is what they were spoon-fed from the time they were in the womb. The fact that the rest of the world (including many Israelis such as "motti" or Ilan Pappe) chooses to remain blind to this does not make it any less true. If the beatings really happened, I hope the perpetrators get punished to the maximum extent of the law. The chances of it actually having happened, however, are very, very slim...
16. QURAN: ALLAH IS PRO-ISRAEL, AGAINST PALESTINIAN STATE(part2)
Mohammed ,   Mecca, Saudi Arabia   (03.31.09)
I say once again, "Palestinians" are evildoers (kuffars) and are leading Muslims into confrontation with Allah. This is common sense and is a test of Allah. You have to think intelligently and not like a silly or delusional child. Surah 8 verse 22 states, "For the worst of beasts in the sight of Allah are the deaf and the dumb,- those who understand not". "Palestinians" clearly fit the profile that Allah references in Surah 8 verse 22. Muslims have to put aside any hatred for Jews and condemn "Palestinians" living on land that was not assigned to them by Allah. Just think for a second. Why was it that Arab nations were destroyed by a flimsy country like Israel in 1948, 1967 and 1973? Israel was outnumbered by the number of Arab soldiers and weapons it possessed but Israel was still able to simultaneously crush the massive armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq (48,67,73), Saudi Arabia (1948), Lebanon (1948), Yemen (1948) and Libya (1948) into submission in countless wars. How can this happen? Israel is a tiny sliver of a land with a small group of people. The Quran also acknowledged in surah 26 verse 54, "These (Israelites) are but a small band". Wasn’t Allah on the side of Muslims on this matter? No, No, and No. Allah warned the Muslims in the Quran in surah 17 verse 104 that he would gather the Children of Israel out of various nations and return them to their land of promise. Allah is not an aggressor. Allah witnessed the suffering of the Jews by the hands of dictators for thousands of years and therefore allowed the Jews to return to their holy ancient homeland. Allah knows that the Jews produced more than half of the prophets in Islam. How can Muslims overlook the fact that the Jews contributed a lot of its (Jewish) prophets from Israel to Islam. Prophets Isa (Jesus), Ishaq (Isaac), Yaqub (Jacob), Yusef (Joseph), Dawud (King David), Lut (Lot), Haroon (Aaron), Sulayman (King Solomon), Yunus (Jonah), Al-Yasa (Elisha), Zakariya (Zechariah), Yahya ibn Zakariyya (John the Baptist) and Ilyas (Elijah) were all Israelis. I say again, all these prophets in Islam were Israelis. We should be very thankful to the Israelis but what do the Arab nations do? The Arab nations endlessly condemn a holy country like Israel. A real Muslim can’t utter the words "Al mout li Israil" (Death to Israel). It is a slap in the face of all Israeli prophets in Islam. This is an act that can only satisfy Shaytan (Satan). If you commit acts that satisfy Shaytan then you are a follower of Shaytan. It’s that simple. It is because of "Palestinians" that Muslims from certain countries can't visit holy sites in Israel like the resting place of Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham), Prophet Ishaq (Isaac), Prophet Yaqub (Jacob), Prophet Yusef (Joseph) Prophet Dawud (King David) and Al-Aqsa Mosque & al-Haram ash-Sharif (Temple Mount). Israel allows Christians from around the world visit holy sites in Israel. The problem that Muslims face today is with "Palestinians" not the Israelis. If "Palestinians" left Israel today, Israel would allow Muslims from around the world visit holy sites in its country. We, Muslims, want to visit these holy sites and pay our respect to these prophets but "Palestinians" block us from doing so. "Palestinians" are not Muslims. If "Palestinians" were Muslims then they would not be living on the land of Israel and fighting with Allah's words in the Quran. So, don't tell me that "Palestinians" are Muslims because that would anger real Muslims. Over the century, "Palestinians" have turned Islam from a religion to a political system. This has to stop. There is no "Palestine" in the Quran but only Israel and the Jews are the rightful owners to the land as it is said in the Jewish Bible, Christian Bible and the Quran. Sooner or later, all Muslim countries will realize this fact. Hatred of Israel embedded in the Muslim body will one day be cleansed and we will apologize to the Israelis for all the anguish we put them through. It’s a promise.
17. Abu Dees Uni=AKA AL QUDS UNI
jerusalem   (03.31.09)
what? dont want to recognize the name either? or is this some kind of order by the Israeli Govt'? also, it would have been nice if you (author) mentioned some information about this university like how the state of israel refuses to recognize it due to petty reasons (like the name being wanted by Hebrew U.)
18. #16 thanks ,wish more Arabs were not so brainwashed by hate
rachel ,   usa   (03.31.09)
19. #18 Rachel- Grow up Rachel.
Bandar ,   Lebanon   (03.31.09)
The idiot at #16 is not an Arab and he is not a Muslim either. He is your fellow Zionist Jew impersonating a Muslim. I thought you were dum, but you exceeded my expectations Rachel.
20. #19 why because he makes sense ?
rachel ,   usa   (04.02.09)
are you saying that moslems can't make sense ?You seem to be insulting you follow moslems ...not everyone is as narrow minded as you .....maybe this guy will enlighten you a bit ....since you don't see any further than your nose ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuLbdy6FH3M&NR=1
21. Nothing new
Howlin' ,   Ann Arbor, USA   (04.02.09)
Unfortunately, incidents like this occur daily; I've seen it myself. These soldiers will not be punished.
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