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'Pressure Israel, or peace process will be a joke'
Ali Waked
Published: 16.04.09, 22:56
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1. Peace process
Sarah ,   New York City, USA   (04.16.09)
Well, give some consideration to the lousy prospect of peace with people who twice turned down a two-state solution, who have fired over 6,000 missiles into Israeli civilian areas, who have brought terror to Israel -- and the world -- on a grand scale, who continue to randomly attack Israeli civilians, and who have ensured sixty years of anything but peace. Oh, let's not forget the six wars. Besides, who exactly is it that speaks for the Palestinians? Is it Hamas? Is it Fatah? Is it Islamic Jihad? Is it HIzbullah? Is it PFLP? If the Palestinians want a peace process, they should clean up their own house first. Or -- they can all pick up and leave and set up a state somewhere else. Somewhere far away from Israel -- the Jewish State. There's no room for two states in Israel. Besides, who believes them? Their idea of a solution is full capitulation from Israel. And that is not going to happen.
2. Defining a 2-state. solution
Arie ,   BaGolan   (04.16.09)
The palis never have and have publicly stated they will NEVER recognize a State of Israel. So, what is their definition of a "2-state solution?" One for hamass and one for fatah? http://www.un.int/palestine/PLO/PNA2.html http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/880818.htm http://www.almanar.com.lb/newssite/NewsDetails.aspx?id=78137&language=en
3. livni and final borders
alexi   (04.16.09)
Livni says israel must determine its final borders now while it is fighting terror and not later. So, yoiu tell abbas that you withdraw from 93% of the west bank, yoiu do so and now you get rockets fired at tel aviv. What an idiot, a moron, ust like olmert! No, you determine the security you need and you concede relative to the security need. They said livni suffers from attention deficit, that she cannot delve into something deeply, now you see the proof. She has idea of the significance of her concessions. She runs around thinking it is a game of monopoly.
4. The 'peace process' is already a joke and so is Abbas!
redbourn ,   tel aviv   (04.16.09)
The PA was offered deals that would have more than satisfied any genuine negotiator, but they were turned down by both Arafat and Mazen. Bibi said today, "no peace talks until PA negotiators recognize Israel as a Jewish State", and he is 100% correct. The PA want one state, so who do they think the other state should belong to? And Abu Mazen can hardly order a pizza, because he has no support. Without the IDf he would lose the West Bank within months or weeks so why negotiate a deal with him? Mike
5. Palestinian state in exchange for third temple!
Bill Staar ,   Chicago USA   (04.16.09)
Would Israel accept the Saudi peace plan if it included the rebuilding of the temple? I think so, Israel will not be complete until the temple is rebuilt. We are all aware of the emotions behind such and endeavor, any action on Israel's part to do this, would cause riots throughout the Arab world, so the Saudi's need to talk to whoever they need to talk to, to get this rebuild in their plan to the point where they fund and initiate the construction. The temple will be a gift from the Musilim world to the Israeli's as a peace offering to seal the deal.
6. Saudi peace plan?
Frank ,   Canada   (04.17.09)
Saudis have no peace plan, they have a zero Jewish state "solution" presented as a two states solution. And that's exactly what peace means for Arabs. Abbas is right the peace process is a joke because it did not delivered the result he expected.
7. pals must accept israel is jewish state, change charter
ralph   (04.17.09)
8. #5 YOU MEAN TO DEMOLISH THE DOME OF THE ROCK AND EL AQSA?
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THE MOSLEMS BUILD THEIR MOSK WHERE THE JEWISH TEMPLE WAS, IT WAS NO COINCIDENCE, THEY WERE TRYING TO GET THEM CONVERTED TO ISLAM.
9. Make peace with abbas or war with Hamas
Daniel ,   Tel Aviv   (04.16.09)
Abbas is Israel's best chance for peace in this generation. If Abbas is weakened and marginalised, israel will end up with a hamas administration in the west bank and an endless conflit will ensue which will drag iran, hizbulla and other countries into this conflict. I want my children to live in peace, peace requires compromise. People are more important than land. This west bank ihas become a curse on the jewish people not a bless, so lets end the occupation and get out of there for the sake of peace. As a secular jew, I care more about the future of this country than about what someone may or may not have written in a manuscript 3000 yrs ago. Look for the future, the past is irrelevant
10. The Palesriniains are lucky to not have me running the world
Hold on to ,   Your BuTTS!   (04.17.09)
I would hold them accountable too. This just got my goat, Quote "The Palestinians warned that unless the international community "massively pressures" the new Israeli government, "the Palestinian public will understand that the peace process is nothing more than a big joke." Yeah ain't that day going to be funny when the Palestinian public realizes we think they are an Evil Joke, who is laughed at by any sane person in the world. You are just a bunch of pawns who got powned by your own evil arab brothers. Wag wag goes the head LOL comes at the same time. Palestinian's are a JOKE. If I were running the world you wouldn't get ANY aid period. what you would get is payback. But because I am not god I will rest in the job God is doing and how the whole world is going to get powned when they come to remove Israel from the land he swore to give them.
11. Pressure Israel, or Peace Process will be a Joke!
Nikos Retsos ,   U.S.A.   (04.17.09)
It is quite admirable to see an article with the above headline in a Jewish newspaper. Actually, it is hard to believe it! And that is also a good omen, because it shows that the Jewish media also wants a solution of the Palestinian problem. Hostility and warfare has lasted for too long in Middle East, and at some point of history that madness must give way to an amicable solution that will establish and preserve peace. 42 years of fighting [after 1967] were enough, and all negotiations after the 1993 Oslo Accords were really a joke. The title of the above article, therefore, is correct. Enough with an endless negotiations process that has proved to be a joke for the last 16 years - after the Oslo Accords. Let's get serious with negotiations now and stop the bloodshed - forever! Nikos Retsos, retired professor
12. US must pressure Israel, eh?
Cameron ,   USA   (04.17.09)
Must we? Sorry, but the reality of that poison pill known as Hamas really does render the 2-state concept null.
13. Palestinians are silent citizens of Jordan
Eric ,   Toledo USA   (04.17.09)
Palestinians are silent citizens of Jordan.
14. I dont understand why so many voted for obama?
Here oh israel!! ,   riv ca   (04.17.09)
Did the jewish people just vote for him because they thought he was cool! or did they not even watch his election!! I am an american that believes in the God of abraham Isac and jacob and I knew something wasnt wrong!! friend of Israel!!
15. Fraudulent peace process.Pal demands unacceptable.
Sam ,   Canada   (04.17.09)
It's a fraudulent peace process because anyone with a brain knows Israel will never accept the unacceptable, unchanging Palestinian demands. The Palestinians are just trying to extract concessions from Israel through Western politicians who are afraid of terrorism and rising oil prices. There won't be Israeli concessions until Jews think Palestinians are sincere about peace and that feeling doesn't exist among the vast majority of Jews.
16. The illusion of palestine
real vision ,   united States   (04.17.09)
In 1948 israel was the chosen name for the country not palestine. In 48 the palestinians were the jews and others were the arabs. For 60 years the arabs have made war with israel inside and outside the country. Daily Israel sees actions of rock throwing, molotov cocktails, stabbings by the palestinians. Nowhere do we ever see peaceful intentions or movement by the arabs to lessen hostilities. For 60 years of hostilities Israel can trust no arabs and should be dictating policy not a group of clans who hate themselves equally
17. Abbas
harry Ha Ha   (04.17.09)
Abbas knows what a joke is:: after all, he sits as a stupid clown in the Mukata in Ramallah, president of arafats grave.
18. NO PRESSURE,BUT LOVE (WE"VE HAD PRESSURE BEFORE !)
ROLAND SEENER ,   LONDON ENGLAND   (04.17.09)
19. Who - really - is blocking the peace process if
Vardina   (04.17.09)
not the Arabs? Let them stop terrorism as first step towad peace. we can not afford a Palestinian state shooting at our civilians.
20. To #5 Bill the Starr!
David ,   Shilo ISRAEL   (04.17.09)
Your peace plan is the best yet, suggesting that the Saudis should fund the 3rd Temple. I simply love it! Perhaps, Madoff could be given parole on condition of acting as the project manager?
21. Israel Has No Friends
Dan ,   USA   (04.17.09)
Israel has no friends in the new two state talks. And no matter how much Israel gives away they will still have no friends. It is that simple. Israel's leaders must remain steadfast in the face of great pressures for them to give in to the U.S., PA and Hamas. Notice how very little, if anything , is being asked of the Arabs.
22. Jordan is 80% of Palestine Mandate but is controlled by 0.1%
Jae ,   Lynn US   (04.17.09)
of the populace- the hashemites. Jordan is home to a huge majority of "palestinains" (70-80%) yet is ruled by saudi arabian hashemite family that number a few thousand total. This is absurd. I dont care hopw preppy King abdullah is or how many massachusetts prep school he went to; you dont have saudi arabian minority of 0.1% ruling more local majority of 80% in land designated "palestine mandate". theres your 2 state solution. JORDAN is "Palestine"
23. peace and obama
elona ,   u.s.a   (04.17.09)
so peace never happen to many outside forces,to many brainwashed childred. also i do not think that israel and the united states should trust obama. i am begining to believe that he is a moslem plant,groomed to be president , i think he is out to destroy israel and the u.s.a. either that or i am going crazy. but his new laws are making me believe it is true.
24. blablabla, holocaust denier needs to act in peace
David ,   Boston, USA   (04.17.09)
The Arabs dont want another Palestinian state. They do nothing to create one. Prove it. Show the world you want it. Stop acting like kids demanding something you cant and wont get. Start acting as diplomat, politicians, and nation builders, or get out of the way for someone who might.
25. NO to pressuring and crusading
Brod ,   USA   (04.17.09)
It is time America stops the dark forces from treating her like a slave nanny to do their dirty work of crusading their Jihadism on Israel. We have had enough of the useless Chamberlains who could easily be fooled and manipulated by the wolves and tigers in the region. America should stop pressuring Israel over nothing. Israel is a sovereign state and NOT a colony of America! Israel should say NO, NO, NO to them.
26. #9 SAYS "Look for the future, the past is irrelevant"
AVRUM ,   CANADA   (04.17.09)
DANIEL, WHICH PAST IS IRRELEVANT ? THE RECENT PAST WITH THOUSANDS OF "GOODWILL" ROCKETS FROM PAL'S. OR 10 YEARS AGO, OR 40 YEARS AGO ? I AM SAYING THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK AS YOU SAID TO "3000 YEARS" TO THE PAST. SO, IF THE ROCKETS ARE MORE RECENT, DOES THIS GIVE YOU ANY CLUE WHAT THE BUNCH OF PALS' GANGSTERS HAS IN STORE WHEN THEY ARE IN POWER RIGHT NEXT TO YOU. DANIEL, YOU SAY YOU WANT A GOOD FUTURE IN ISRAEL. I WISH THE BEST FOR YOU DANIEL AND FOR ALL ISRAEL. I DON'T LIVE IN ISRAEL, BUT PLEASE DON'T GET FOOLED THAT ANY OF THE ARAB FACTIONS OR COUNTRIES WILL BE CONTENT TO ONLY A "PIECE" OF WHAT THEY CALL THEIR LAND ? THEY HAVE REPEATIDLY STATED THAT ALL OF ISRAEL IS "OCCUPPIED PALESTINIAN LAND" OR ARAB LAND. AS UBCOMFORTABLE AS THE PRESENT SITUATION IS, THIS IS FAR SAFER THAN INVITING YOUR ENEMY TO MOVE IN NEXT DOOR BRINGING ROCKETS, MISSILES, MORE BOMBINGS........ AND YOU MUST KNOW THAT THEY WILL DO THIS !! ISRAEL'S WITHDRAWAL FROM LEBANON DIDN'T BRING PEACE, AND WITHDRAWAL FROM GAZA BROUGHT ROCKETS TO ISRAEL'S TOWNS. NEXT TIME, THE ROCKETS WILL HAVE BIGGER RANGE AND THEN WHERE TO GO AND WHAT TO DO ? SO, THE PAST HISTORY IS NOT IRRELEVANT AS IT REPEATS ITSELF CONTINUOUSLY. I DON'T KNOW ALL THE ANSWERS OR SOLUTIONS, BUT JUDGE BY THE PAL'S AND ARAB'S REPEATED BEHAVIOUR PATTERNS, THAT THEY HAVE NOT CHANGED OR MODERATED THEIR ANTI-ISRAEL STANCE. A SMILE FROM ABBAS IS NICE, BUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN HE STOPS SMILING ? ISRAEL IS STRONG, AND THERE IS NO NEED FOR APPEASEMENT TO THE PALS OR ANYONE ELSE FOR A "PRETEND PEACE". ULTIMATELY IT WILL BE THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL WHO WILL DECIDE WHAT TO DO AND WHAT NOT TO DO. MAY THE PEOPLE AND THE LEADERS OF ISRAEL BE WISE AND STRONG, FOR ALL OF OUR SAKE.
27. #9
eli ,   jerusalem   (04.17.09)
... so your future would be rockets forTA like for Sderot, has vehalilah.
28. What can Abbas offer? What can Hamas offer?
redbourn ,   tel aviv   (04.17.09)
Abbas continually makes demands upon Israel, but it's not clear what he has to offer? Can he offer peace? No. He controls next to nothing, so anything he might agree to would be worth nothing. If Israel left the West Bank, then Hamas would quickly take control of it. Can Hamas offer Israel something? No. Hamas has the power to make peace with Israel, but its beliefs prevent it from doing so So we have one group that's too weak, and a second one that is ideologically bound, and therefore all talk of "peace negotiations' is merely rhetoric. Mike
29. NO Talks, the only joke is US/obama
ex US   (04.17.09)
30. #9 Be ashamed, you selfish coward
Israeli veteran   (04.17.09)
So, selling out Israel, giving it away to a bunch of terrorists which includes abbas, and the obama muslim evil is OK with you?! Why don't you leave Israel, I think obama would welcome pro muslim/palis losers like you!
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