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Film shows death of Bilin protestor
Ali Waked
Published: 20.04.09, 09:05
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1. Killing the messenger
Ricardo Macher ,   KarneiShomron-Israel   (04.20.09)
We all know that phrase about not solving a problem by killing the messenger, but time has come to kick B'T selem and other anti Israel and anti Jewish out of Israel. Enough is enough, if they hate us so much, let them rot outside Israel!
2. yeah this
ghostq   (04.20.09)
is just a proff for what everyone r saying, they held violence riots and he got himself killed, meaning palestinan lied, what a shocker, zzzzzzzz
3. now show the UNEDITED VERSION
Alon   (04.20.09)
4. a 2 minute movie doesn't show the whole picture
(04.20.09)
the threat the protesters will get to the soldiers was there, some were trying to move the gate, and the soldiers were calling them to back off. abu rahma was at a close stone throwing range & not where the gate was. but whether abu rahma threw stones or not is not clear in this movie, as its too short. i am sorry he died
5. RIOTED? How? By shouting?
Terry ,   Chicago, IL   (04.20.09)
This is despicable. Even colonial Britain didn't do this to the Indians resisting its occupation. What a bunch of animals on this Talkback! It's always the same with Israelis: either diffuse responsibility, or claim they deserved it. You are a nation of violent illegal immigrants, and your days are numbered.
6. To our native American Terry
S.   (04.20.09)
or are you not? So shut up about "illegal immigrants". Americans were Europeans and never had belonged in the US. Jews however HAD a homeland in whats now called Israel, and therefore deserve to be there. Live with it. Furthermore, 2 minutes don't say much. Before the 2 minutes a lot can have happened. We don't trust those images as we have been fooled before. That's all.
7. over the last 30 years
(04.20.09)
Despicable violent illegal immigrants. (before that whiners)
8. Terry, you are one of Chicago's natives, right ?
Joe ,   Israel   (04.20.09)
You are heartily invited to Israel to see what the Jewish "violence" in their homeland has yielded. Oh, one more thing: did you know that this "B'Tezelm' organiztion that took this footage is a Jewish-Israeli human rights organization ?
9. to me that looks very violent
mama   (04.20.09)
standing on the rocks? why not in the streets? this was definitely a violent protest. im sure an arab threw a stone at a soldier and there it started. play with fire and u will get hurt!
10. To #5: Terry - Check your history!
David ,   Karmiel, Israel   (04.20.09)
There were numerous occasions where the British fired on Indians, Zulus, Burmese and so many others. Ever head of Dumdum, Terry.? It is the name of a place in India where the British massacred Indians and used dumdum bullets to make their bullets rip the victims apart. I assume you are talking about Indians and not about North American Indians who were robbed of their land, massacred in their droves by the "Colonials". In all of those cases, the victims where defending their land which was stolen from them. In Israel, our land has been stolen from us. There were no Arabs and Palestinians here when the first Jews settled here 5,000 years ago! First the Greeks ans Syrians drove us out. Then came the Romans and the Ottomans and then the 22 Arab Nations declared War on us us and tried to steel it again but this time we kicked their butts and we will continue to do so! You should know that Israel is like a Jewish mother no matter what government is in power. God help those who try to hurt her children. She will never forget and very seldom will she forgive!
11. How long does it take to build a fence?
jason white ,   afula,israel   (04.20.09)
This should have been finished long ago. If the arab trespassers do not like it,then leave our Jewish land. These n.g.o.s should be investigated to find out their financial sources. They should be banned as terror aiding groups and the leaders tried and jailed. Those from Israel who are against the fence should be left on the other side and they canlive with their pali brothers in arms.
12. poor terry
zabarbie ,   R   (04.20.09)
Your talkback, proves a typical limited balanced view of the situation as well as your failure to read the talkbacks well. The focus of critics was on the edition and cut of the movie which manipulates understanding of exactly what was happening - not celebrating the palestinian who was shot. Have you seen to much wild west movies? Because your vision of the middle east is a campfire romanticism full of klischees. "Your days are numbered " should worry us, for you seem to be a pretty violent person and I do hope peace is not in the hands of people like you....
13. All B'Tselem field workers
Robert Haymond ,   Ashdod, Israel   (04.20.09)
are Arabs (look it up on the website) although nearly all the actual writers and board members are Jewish Israelis. what's wrong with this picture? First and foremost, the actual raw information received by the editors can be a very selective account of what really went on. There is no balance, incidentally. None of those responsible for "collecting" the selected information are likely to be objective in their perspectives. And, incidentally, B'Tselem, a "human rights" organization, is, itself, unbalanced, with positions of power apportioned to Israeli Jews while "workers" are Arabs. It's important not only to possess information but to know from where it originates. In light of your own perusal of the B'Selem website, would you, yourself, trust what they publish?
14. Actually saw only about 10-15 seconds of footage, not 2
Yosi M. ,   GiloJerusalem Israel   (04.20.09)
minutes. They just keep repeating the same 10-15 seconds. Seems like a propaganda ploy to me, and so does Terry. Is his name really Terry? Is he really from Chicago? Where in Chicago? Can he name some of the significant sites or landmarks? Maybe his name is really Ahmed. After all, how can anyone really ignore the truth and logic and be so rabid. We, Jews, have been here all along. We didn't leave completely. Even though the Turks had control of Israel, we were still the largest ethnic majority in what is now Israel. The Turks kept trying to bring in Muslims from anywhere they could, Albania, Circassia, Egypt, Syria(Hourani), Algeria, Sudan etc and so did the English from 1918 to 1948. But in the end, our people won out and yes, the native Jews have won and will once again win, despite rabid antisemites like Terry and Ahminamonkey from Iran.
15. #10 are Jews Jewish?
observer   (04.20.09)
It's true that there has always been a miniscule Jewish colony in Israel-Palestine, but the majority of the founders of the modern state of Israel came from abroad. Are the majority of immigrants who style themselves Jews, in fact, Jews? the present-day Palestinians are far more likely the descendants of the ancient Semitic people in Judea/ Canaan than the current predominantly Khazarian-origin Ashkenazi populace. Jews of North Africa originated in indigenous tribes that became Jewish - and not in communities exiled from Jerusalem. Jews now living in Israel and other places in the world are not at all descendants of the ancient people who inhabited the Kingdom of Judea during the First and Second Temple period. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/966952.html The Khazarians, as a Turkic people, probably have origins in China and Mongolia, and undoubtedly have absolutely nothing to do with ancient Israel. All that rubish writing about DNA, karyotyping & chromosomes only proves that todays Jews are fter racism not Jewishness. Jews were never exiled, can you argue that?
16. To the usually biased 'Observer'
mic ,   Isreal   (04.20.09)
To start with you should change your 'handle' from Observer to Jaundiced Observer.. Second, if you believe it or not, our unaltered scripture said thousands of years ago that the Jews would return to Israel at the end of days and that all the nations of the world would try to destroy her.(Sound Familiar??) Unsuccessfully I might add. As God said, 'The Jews are my wintnesses'. So whoever they are that has come to rebuild the God given land of Israel are for the most part Real Jews. The rest are in Jewis terms refered to as 'Erev Rav' those that joined themselves to Israel but were not 'real' Jews. Anyway dey all going to Los Angeles anyway. Good! All that was written has come to pass...which gives the whole Jewish Enterprise over here a lot of 'street creds'.. And You Ain't Seen NOTHIN Yet dude. Israel's appearance is a miracle anyway. Who knows how God has worked it out but I will tell you something you will be Observing in the next while. That all the nations who tried 'to lift the stone' of Jerusalem, have been destroyed. So you going to be observing us for another thousand years, if you got a long enough periscope.. Have a nice day from the Land of The Jews. Mic ----------------------------------- Ancient Chinese Saying. ---------------------------------- "Wait by river long enough, and even your enemies body will float by"..
17. When "Observer" brings as proof Haaretz...
m   (04.20.09)
There is only one thing to know, it is said that when the Jews were forced out of their land, the land will become fallen, desolate. So mr. Observer, if the arabs are the real Jews how come that the land was so desolate and empty, full of diseases until the "foreign" Jews came back to settle and repair it??? Look today, where before were only swamps and sand, today is the most flourishing piece of land in the ME. This is the proof, the Jews have come back to THEIR land.
18. to #15 yes I can argue
ghostq   (04.20.09)
all your theory is worth nothing cause the cohen family r related to each other, and they jews who come from different parts of the world some traditions goes from father to son, palestinians don't even have archiological findings that can prove they were in Israel, even in the roman times there were deeds on land, the word palestine is a curse word for pagans what the when the romans brought forien population to a contry in the methode of devide and conquer, and the titus gate in rome can shead more light about the exile of jews from Israel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arch_of_Titus
19. #15 professor of french history, deals in ancient history
lies dont make peace   (04.20.09)
and as said about him professors of ancient history, he can't read old scriptures in their language. therefore is saying that exiling people happened only in 20th century according to his none ability to read old scriptures. the khazar story is a myth, this proffesor knows no one found ancient synagogues outside judea and israel areas, but he believes in it still. there are no khazar scriptures that state they were jews only what other people believed of the khazars. so if arabs believe the khazars are jews, but khazars didn't , so what? all nations have history that is grounded in archeology, and mythology that has no archeological basis. jews would be delighted to be those giant warriors everyone was afraid of, but... no one can prove it. genetically, it's been proved jews carry similar genes , that appear in much much much lower rates in other societies. you call it racism, but stories with no proof you call facts? this proffesor says people were not exiled because there were no wagons or trains, and you are so eager to think it sticks, you forgot they had feet. haaretz are eager to have an audience of arabs, and maybe it suits then to find someone who can't read old scriptures but can comment on whats in them. not everyone who publishes a book is a genious
20. #15 greek philosophers were going around the middle east
lol   (04.20.09)
by foot and writing about what they saw. they didn't need trains like this professor suggests, in order to reach far places. but then, one needs to be able to read what they wrote... of course people were exiled, and reached far away places by foot. he's an idiot, so are you.
21. 16-20 on the contrary! I don't belive that Israel is full of
observer   (04.20.09)
ُErev Ravs only because you can't prove that Diaspora Jews were not created but exiled ones.
22. Hmmm...
Radka ,   Athens, Greece   (04.20.09)
Israeli police hit a settler? BAD Israeli police. Israeli police hit an Arab? BAD Arab. Nice case of double standards here.
23. Position cameras behind soldiers to get perspective
William ,   Israel   (04.20.09)
We know that everything that happens in front of the camera, with an Arab or Leftist cameraman is bound to be subjective. Countless videos and "news" claiming to be of IDF brutality were largely stage and proven false by either the IDF's own video of the same incident or by Pal journalists themselves trying to remain objective. This is no different. So why doesn't the IDF have its own cameras in the region to film everything - faces, actions, location, time. It would certainly save time from 3rd party analysts investigating the video to prove it was a set-up, like they did with Muhammed Dura.
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