Opinion
My grandfather’s victory
Yair Lapid
Published: 21.04.09, 00:54
Comment Comment
Print comment Print comment
Back to article
41 Talkbacks for this article
1. You and tommy care not for am Yisorel
Kerwood Derby ,   Frostbite Falls, MN   (04.21.09)
Anything good of others in you family is disgraced beyond all recognition due to your willful hatred of your people, your embrace of those who come to kill your people. The land of the Jews is not yours to give away. Not this generation, your disgraceful father's generation who innoculated those who came to Yad Vashem from the taint of anti-Semitism which they were due due to their actions as soon as they stepped out of the place to destroy the lives of living Jews. They pay homage to the good and dead Jews. You, Tommy and the other anti-Semites who happen to be goy would deny Jews their right to live on their land, yet let those who should have their right of return back to their homicidal, Hamite homeland come and kill the Jews in your bloody, open arms.
2. Only 8?
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (04.21.09)
I know Holocaust survivors who had 8 kids, and their kids had 8 kids. That's 64 grandkids to Bela's 8. And now the grandkids are having kids. Of course, they are haredi, so Yair doesn't count them as humans.
3. Completely wrong
Elchonon ,   Chevron   (04.21.09)
I fail to see how you grandfather "won" in your father, I saw one that hated religious jews.. the secular state of israel is worth zilch! I grew up around survivers, those with faith, those who praised the almighty after living through the hell's of aushwitz, treblinka, bergen belsen, dachau, buchwald, manthusen and more.. I knew survivers from every camp.. one who survived 5 camps and he would tell how he and his brother broke the ice by a river by the warsaw ghetto to go to the mikva. I saw the survivers sing mizmor l'david by the seuda shlishit on shabbat.. youd see the fire in their eyes as they sang " gam ki eilech b'gai tzalmavet.. lo ira ra ki ata hashem imadi!" These jew beat hitler.. these jews kept their faith DESPITE all!! I knew a jew who was INSIDE the gas chambers and pulled out at the last momment they needed workers.. he would pray every morning for hours with devotion and concentration, shaking his hands, jumping up and down. These jews I admire for their belief, those that danced in the showers, those that sang ani maamin.. for they had true faith in G-d almighty, in the world to come, in the coming of the redemption. They that had 10 kids to pay hitler back, those dreaded hareidim! These men I knew and admire! The admorim of bobbov, satmar, kaliv etc.. those that survived mengele and yet they won!
4. Our victory
Proud Jew ,   Israel   (04.21.09)
Every Jewish child born is a victory over Hitler (yimach shemo).
5. Thank you again Yair
Sheila ,   Jerusalem,Israel   (04.21.09)
Sometimes we need reminding that while the State of Israel was not formed because of the Holocaust it is the proof of our existence. We not only survived we thrived as a beautiful Phoenix out of the flames of the ovens. We are noisy so that we will not be silent, we are kind as others are not kind to us, we are a true light unto nations no matter how many try to put out our flame. Here we are!!!!
6. I am the proud child ...
Sarah ,   New York City, USA   (04.21.09)
.... of Holocaust survivors. I have two sons and a daughter. I used to have three sons -- Daniel died in the Sbarro Pizzeria suiciide bombing. I am here. My children are here. We are a spit into the face of Hitler (may he be cursed for all eternity). My mother passed away in November 2007. My father is (thank G-d) still with us. Take that, Nazis. Am Israel Chai. Kills you, doesn't it? Good.
7. LISTEN TO YOUR GRANDPA BELA
DAVID ,   JUDEA   (04.21.09)
He knew he died in the snow, because he was a Jew. Not as some wanna be new age liberal who despises his own roots and ultimately his own religion. Were it not for our religion and its customs, you so deny, your Grandpa Bela would not have died in the way he did at the hands of these savages. What you fail to see Mr. Yair Lapid, is that people who hate Jews, hate G'd. If you would listen to him you would understand that the Islam fascists if they get the change will make the Nazis look like choirboys. And that an unmarked grave would be a good thing, because even our graves they would like to destroy. So pay attention before extending your hand today towards the same thing, that happened 70 years ago
8. Love it
Sharon ,   Singapore   (04.21.09)
Love this message. Powerful and strong.
9. Hitler (y"sh) and many others tried to destroy Jewish bodies
L ,   Elad, Israel   (04.21.09)
Hitler (yemach shemo) and many others tried to destroy Jewish bodies throughout the ages and we have survived, by the grace of Hashem, because we ARE "different" and are supposed to be. It is when we try to be "just like everybody else" and we start to weave ourselves into the fabric of the others that we are beaten out of the rug and rudely awakened to the fact that we ARE different, like it or not. If we don't remember it, we WILL be reminded. Yes -- we Jews are human beings, but we are not just ANY human beings, we are Hashem's beloved and special people (as in the case of Yosef, Hashem's other children never like the favorite child). On Pesach we just read in the Hagaddah: "Tzei u'lemad mah bikesh Lavan HaArami la'asot l'Yaakov Avinu..." = "Come and learn what Lavan, the Aramean sought to do to Yaakov, our forefather. For Pharaoh made his decree only against the male children, while Lavan sought to uproot everything..." Pharaoh, like Hitler (yemach shemam), tried to kill the bodies of our people, while Lavan, who was our own "family" tried to uproot "everything": tried to uproot our Judaism, our Torah our Jewish souls. He tried to accomplish what so many "Jews" and the secular zionists (family, like Lavan) have been doing a very fine job of: creating empty soulless Jews without Judaism, shells of the Jewish Nation we are supposed to be. For thousands of years, Jews have been saying "Next year in Jerusalem," WELL before the "State" of Israel was declared. I don't know about Grandpa Bela, but most of our forefathers had a greater hope and mandate for their ancestors than "don't die in the snow -- go live somewhere warm like Tel Aviv...or Florida". I'm sure they weren't hoping to see your father Tommy pushing Pork-eating in this holy land, nor hoping to see you desecrating Shabbat here with your Friday night Television show. We defeat Hitler, we defeat the inquisitors, the Crusaders, the Romans, the Greeks, the Babylonians, the Egyptians...by LIVING our Jewishness, by holding on to our "different"ness, our Torah, our G-d...for dear life.
10. to number 1, 2, 3
shoshana ,   israel   (04.21.09)
HOW SICK IN THE MIND YOU ARE!!!! THAT HIS GRANDFATHER HATED RELIGIOUS JEWSSS????? DO U KNOW WHY THE POOR MAN DIDNT HAVE MORE KIDS? WHO ARE TO YOU JUDGE HIS PRIVATE AFFAIRS? AS LONG AS THIS MAN, LEFT ONE, ONLY ONE DESCENDANT HE DID HIS PART. mAYBE THIS MAN WAS YOUNG, AND THIS WAS HIS FIRST AND ONLY CHILD. HE WAS NOT GIVEN THE CHANCE TO LIVE MORE AND GIVE MORE DESCENDANTS. ONLY BECAUSE HE WAS NOT RELIGIOUS (AND YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE REPORTS ABOUT HIS LIFE IN DETAIL) YOU DARE BLAMING A PERSON, A DEAD JEW, ON THIS DAY. IS IT A COMPETITION OF .. WHO GIVES OUT MORE BABIES? LISTEN YOU PEOPLE: HE SUFFERED THINGS YOU REALLY FOR SURE DIDN'T, HE SUFFERED LIKE MANY OTHERS AND DIED IN A PAINFUL WAY. NO MATTER WHAT, HE DESERVES RESPECT, A LOT OF RESPECT. I DOUBT THAT YOU DESERVE AS MUCH RESPECT SINCE YOU SEGREGATE AND FOSTER SEGREGATION FROM WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, WHICH HURTS EVEN MORE THAN SEGREGATION FROM THE OUTSIDE. AS LONG AS WE "PREJUDGE" OTHER JEWS AND CATEGORIZE THEM AS IF THEY WERE PRODUCTS NOT PEOPLE, WE WILL GIVE HUGE ADVANTAGE TO OUR ENEMY. LAST, FOR THOSE IN THE U.S WHO SPEAK LIKE KYLE OR IN ISRAEL, ITS VERY COMFORTABLE TO FIND EXCUSES TO JUSTIFY RELIGIOUS PEOPLE... ANY REASON CAN BE FOUND AS LONG AS THEY DON'T WORK AND WE ISRAELI CITIZENS WHO WORK AND HARD, PAY FOR THEM, THEIR WHIMS AND THE BUNCH OF KIDS THEY BRING TO THE WORLD., BE EXAMPLE: MAKE THE STATE OF ISRAEL WORKING, AND WORKING HARD. AND YOU SPEAK ABOUT OTHERS.....
11. unfortunatly no he wasn't
gsea   (04.21.09)
the natzism is still alive and kicking today especially in east europ. sad to say but battle against natzism is far from being over.
12. To #1, Tommy loved the Jewish People
Yehudi ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (04.21.09)
Tommy loved the Jewish People and was a loyal and proud Israeli. He hated the hypocrasy of many Haredim. He lived in Israel and served our country. This is more than you have ever done #1.
13. Sarah in New York
Sean ,   Montreal, Quebec   (04.21.09)
We have disagreed on these pages over politics which makes me wonder if you will doubt my sincerity, but I am deeply sorry for your loss and pain. May grace be your companion on this difficult day. I just finished reading The Promise by a New Yorker-Chaim Potok- you may find it a comfort. Be well and if in our heated debates I have been injurious to you with indelicate language I ask that you forgive me.
14. Thats it. Tell your stories. You Remember, I Remember.
Ypip ,   Canada   (04.21.09)
15. 10&12 Sadly the ultimate triumph of Tommy and Yair is
Kerwood Derby ,   Frostbite Falls, MN   (04.21.09)
Destroying the lives of 10000 Jewish lives and 22 Torah learning centers, erasing generations. Tommy long sought, fought to force Jews to live in deprivation regardless of their beliefs or abilities. I have already hinted at Tommy's use of Yad Vashem to inoculate those that hate Jews from the taint of their Jew hating deeds. If only Tommy, Yair and you would have fought for living Jews to live in peace in the land of their own name and enforce the right of return of those that come to kill them back to the homicidal, Hamite peninsular homeland of their own name, then we might not have to reflect on the failure of the people and focus on their reason, their faith to exist, their love for the land that protects them. Yet the survivor Yair will continue his mission to hate Jews who love their land and embrace those that come to kill them. He's living a sick , sick dream by his own will, volitionally, intentionally hating, acting against other survivors for being Jews who love the land of their own name.
16. Half of the commentaries here are sick and foolish people!
John ,   Europe   (04.21.09)
Unworthy for the memory of their forefathers that left their lives for this! ONCE, just ONCE, Yair Lapid speaks THE SAME language that most right wingers here speak, and he emphasizes the common ground for MOST Jews - and what does he get?! AN ATTACK! A SPIT! You should be ashamed! To let hatred so much occupy your minds not to judge somebody's words but somebody by itself! What, something is not good by it self, but only if it does not come from the right mouth?! If you judge this way, no wander Amalek is awakening once again!
17. Kyle and Lapid
JPS ,   Efrat   (04.21.09)
Kyle, of course, totally ignores the story Lapid tells and concentrates on his childish pet peeve. Yet, being free Jews in our own land still isn't good enough for Kyle the haredim, most of whom are protected by the national religious and the seculars. So, Kyle, how many of those 64 kids you are so proud of are actually putting on a uniform and defending their country? I know a few personally, but the vast majority don't consider the rest of us to be worthy Jews, nor do they do their part in helping us defend the country. Yair and his father Tommy are very involved in Israel as Israelis - can we say the same for you? Or are you stuck in front of your keyboard in America and unable to make the leap?
18. to #16 it's known fact
ghostq   (04.21.09)
that the british media is influanced by muslems, and you r forgetting that only after London was heavily bombarded the British started to show signes of consern about the jews and the death camps, the british Red Cross knew what was going on and did nothing. and churchhill up untill then was considerd as prophet of apocalypse and not a briliant politician. even today in England his memory don't get the appropriate appreciation as a freedom Icon.
19. Great article, stupid talkbacks !
Dati Sefardi ,   Canada   (04.21.09)
20. Thank you Yair
Proud Secular Jew ,   haaretz   (04.21.09)
Jewish sovereignty promises to defend us against those who wish to destroy us.
21. JPS and Kyleophobia
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (04.21.09)
You know nothing about me or my family other than what I choose to post here, but something visceral compels you to launch hysterical personal attacks against me. Clearly you feel threatened by my posts. I think you should calm down. It's just a talkback.
22. My dear Sarah as a bereaved survivor of a kodesh to another
Al   (04.21.09)
let me tell you that in our history there have always been those who we may best describe as the erev rav. They will be here amongst us Jews forever. They seek to negate the powers of our G-d and to write everything down to circumstance. Their mission is to make us all non-believers. Well they got another thing coming. Mt dad buried a son in Israel in the 80's due to terror, walked out of auchwitz alive while his brotehrs died and never ever lost his love for hashem. He told me a few short months before his death...That meeting G-d "nemt araus the neshomah". It was a play on words but I remember them everyday. He was my hero, for not only was he a survivor but a fighter and a believer. He yearned for the day Israel would finally be a nation of proud and Jewish men and women. That day is fast approaching..I have hope
23.  #6 and #22 sarah and al
(04.21.09)
i read your posts. i am a lebanese muslim educated in the usa and presently living in lebanon. my heart goes to you both for your incredibly painful history, the loss you had both endured, for your bravery and positive outlook on life and for your jewish spirit that has never stopped till nowadays to beat loudly as if to announce; we were not defeated. we were not eliminated and we will always say never again. exiting lebanon, i have met many jewish people at university (stanford) and have had the pleasure of them assisting me in finding out everything to do with israel, how it came to be born, its people and their ideology (zionism) and spirit and the beauty of its democracy which sadly is non existent in all arab and muslim countries combines. i have also read enourmously on the holocaust and myself always say a prayer in hebrew from the book each year that it comes about. the quran adamently proscribes the entotlement of israel to the jewish sons of god whom he chose to bring into the holy land with jerusalem as its 3,000 years old capital. i feel your pain as i feel mine when i observe what the islamists, iran, hamas, hizbulllah did to my beautiful country...and i am shia! my beautiful country is gone thanks to iran and syria whose filthy steps have destroyed any modicom of civil society, peace in the region and harmony. what a disaster we have on our hands. i am convinced 100% that should arabs in all these islamic countries visit israel, they would be green with envy. i went to jerusalem once and saw how arabs live there...a freedom dream that the world has no clue about. arab propaganda against israel is so full of lies, it is a shame. i wish you long life in your holy land, lots of health and lots of success. i am a true muslim, not an extremist, not a hater, not a vicious liar. vivienne beirut, lebanon
24. To: Sean at No. 13
Sarah ,   New York City, USA   (04.21.09)
Thanks for your very kind words, Sean. I have read The Promise -- it is a wonderful novel. And you have never been injurious, rude or indelicate. Thanks again.
25. To: Al at No. 22
Sarah ,   New York City, USA   (04.21.09)
Olevai. Nehumim to you, sir, for your loss. And many thanks to you for your kind words.
26. To: Vivienne at No. 23
Sarah ,   New York City, USA   (04.22.09)
You are someone I would be proud to call a friend. Thank you for expressing your thoughts. I am copying your post and sending it to friends.
27. SHAME ON US !!!
Ido ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (04.22.09)
Isn't it a shame that wonderful people like Vivienne, a Muslem woman from Lebanon, feel the need to comment on the absolute ridiculous talk backs on this article? Talk-backs from Jews, most of them sitting comfortably in their US home (hiding behind city names and G'D forbid NOT writing their NAMES), who feel the urge to attack other (Israeli) Jews that happen to think a little bit different from themselves. I've got news for all those "so-called" Jews: The disgrace to our people comes from no other then YOU ! Read Vivienne's talk back (#23), and take THAT as an example ! And you DARE even to call yourself Jews...
28. #27 Shame on US and shame on you that you deny
Kerwood Derby ,   Frostbite Falls, MN   (04.22.09)
Shame on US for funding, training, arming and otherwise legitimizing your mass-murderers. Shame on your (ani lo Yehudi) for not thinking "a little bit different" about your own who deprive your fellow Jews as Yair's father Tommy is infamous for and both Yair and his father for destroying 10000 Jewish lives, 22 Torah learning centers, erasing generations and embracing those continue to come to kill you. Perhaps the quote below that mentions your name might be relevant to what you call thinking "a little bit different from themselves." That phrase "different from themselves" is very peculiar and telling. It is not just as Jews, Yair and Tommy thought Jews in the land of their name is horrendous, they acted to create a Judenrein in Judea. "In the eighth month, in the second year of Darius, came the word of the Lord unto Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, the son of Iddo the prophet, saying, The Lord hath been sore displeased with your fathers." Zechariah 1, 1-2 It is bad enough that Yair has to live with the taint of his father's sins that he collaborated on, but he continues to compound them without T'shuva. G-d willing you both will realize what you have done to your own.
29. #28
Ido ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (04.22.09)
Mr. Kerwood, Frostbite Falls, Derby, MN: You know all so very well, I really would suggest make Alliya - come here and save us from ourselves... Get a SHRINK ! You're a waste of everybody's time and energy. Get a life ! (and PLEASE PLEASE stay there!!! - as far away as possible from Israel)
30. To #16
nuni ,   US   (04.22.09)
Too little. Too late. I only read Yair's column once and was sickened by him. NOW he gets on the bandwagon. We need to be on the alert for the hangers on. They will now be coming out of the woodwork. The ones that only come around when you are winning. The ones who have no marbles in the game when you are losing. He and others like him are not patriots. .. they are enemies. He is not the only one who will try to come now that Israel has some strong leaders. These are Leftists who encouraged Israel's enemies. They will now come over to Israel. They should Not be trusted. They should be kicked to the curb. They are false. True people stand by you when IT IS BAD! Not when it looks like it may be good.then they give you all kinds of heart wrenching excuses. It will be easy to know who they are.
Next talkbacks
Back to article