Shlomo, you are right. The state betrayed you. And all your talk of love of the state and love of the flag shows you haven't learned much. Israel is not the state! (Repeat that a few times to sink it in.) Israel is the land, the people and their heritage. NOT a flag, and NOT the government. When you were in your own home, which did you remember to do first; put on your kippah or salute the flag? Did you have special flag ceremonies on Shabbat or holidays? Set your priorities straight, Shlomo. Love Israel (the land, the people, and the heritage), not a flag, and not an anti-Israel government. When more people come to that realization we can go back to having a pro-Israel government (like when Begin was PM), and you and your family will get your lives back. Meanwhile, remember this. The state does not love you, but Israel does.

It is a fault of peace-drunk corrupt government. Hang the flag where it belongs and vote for the right (in both senses) guys. Look at New Zealand: we saw no point in bitching and moaning about Helen Clark's regime - we simply kicked her out. Kicking out Olmerts, Livnis, and their ilk is a good first step in the right direction.

"It is difficult to point to a similar move by other democracies where thousands of innocent citizens were hurt and expelled from their homes without any benefit or logic. " Really? Every nation in the world was formed by kicking someone out. Including Israel. Maybe it would be wise to replace a love for the State with a love for humanity.

always the forigners are kicked .humans kicked humans .the land do nothing palastinians are forigners evry where but not on their land

"I served in Gaza before the disengament and during it. The selfishness of the Jews of gaza discust me. Israel was created to protect jews, too many people died for that reason." Actually, Israel was created to produce a post-Jewish Jew: an "Israeli." Nor, my dear soldier, did you "protect Jews." This is evident in Sderot and Ashkelon, and soon enough it will be evident in Tel Aviv, when the next Israeli land giveaway will replace Jews with Muslims, who will use the available technology to send missiles to conk you on the head at the cafe. I advocated, from a purely secular and pragmatic position, that the Gaza expulsion would be a disaster. No "Hasheming" for me! And it WAS a disaster, and you STILL don't get it. Why don't you? Maybe because "discusting" selfishness describes you at least as well as it describes the settlerfolk.

... and *I* look forward to seeing the Muslims of "Londonistan" sweep the faded Cambridge away. It couldn't happen to a nicer people.

Shlomo pointed to it when he mentions hijacking of "democracy" to implement notions of a filth (not fifth) column. It could have been stated more pointedly perhaps by indicating that the leader of the party that was elected implemented the Mitzna plan (as another TB did) of the party in power at the time not the fringe suicide and those that come to kill you party's. By implementing the opposition plan that his party was elected specifically not to implement, the "leader" disenfranchised the electorate, the mantra of the FMO in explaining it to the world that it was done democratically notwithstanding. The "leader" of the party disavowed not only his party's charter, but a referendum that he swore to uphold. That the party did not expel him is perhaps telling of that party not willing to uphold its own values. Lots of blame to go around for enabling the "leader" to act as a tyrant. And then the "leader" committed a putsch, a coup, an overthrow of the people again by taking the PMO with him, as if it were a desk accessory, when he moved his desk from Likud to the newly formed and un-elected party Kadima. I appreciate Shlomo's reticence to fly the flag proudly. Try tying a little orange ribbon on the staff below the flag. It goes a long ways...As for the Shoa and crematoria reference, that does dilute's your rational argument to exist in your land. Land you have existed in long before those that come to kill you slinked out of the peninsula of their name to conquer lands from the Indian sub-continent, to the Atlantic, spreading their message of peace through blood. Guilt is not why the state was created for those who were there in the land of their own name. And I don't know why I am still amazed when I see TB's that blame the Jews living in Judea, Yehudim in Yehuda, for causing harm to Jews. It is not the Jews from the land of their own name that need to be removed it is the threat. Those that come to kill you should have their right of return enforced back to the homicidal, Hamite, peninsular homeland of their own name. That would be humane, so you won't have to kill them when they come to kill you again. You need leaders to combat the source of the threat of the Jewish death, not the Jews living in Judea, Yehudim in Yehuda.