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Magen David: From mystical talisman to Zionist symbol
Moshe Ronen
Published: 03.05.09, 14:21
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1. duh... of course it isn't a jewish symbol.
ghostq   (05.03.09)
you can find it on many churches around Europ as well, it's a phagan sign that symbolize unity between heaven and earth. heavenly male god and mother earth godess.
2. Magen David
zznhl   (05.03.09)
As the prof stated and as written at the end of this article; The Davids star was sanctified by its use during the holocaust and tho' initiated by the nazi murderers, thus, its is as relevent as if it where engraved on the original tablets that came down from mount Sinia.
3. Get ready for the blind hatred and rejections
Chaim   (05.03.09)
4. to #2 the swastika is also not
ghostq   (05.03.09)
a german symbol at all, hitler saw that symbol in an old book about the different religiouns of the far east it was in his the occult serch phase, the swatstica is actually hindu symbol and its meaning is eternal bliss, you can find it among other places on an old bariel cofins.
5. If Magen David Had Both 5 and 6 Points
World Citizen ,   the world   (05.03.09)
then one has to wonder if it had it's origin in the occult and astrology. And isn't it ironic that both the Magen David and the swastika were used together in ancient times? But I guess it isn't surprising . Today, in the minds of civilized society, both have come to symbolize military madness, brutality, oppression and apartheid.
6. mogen dovid
bear ,   zefat, israel   (05.03.09)
The writer evidentally didn't do enough research. The mogen dovid is a clear kabbalah symbol which appears in the first book ever written in the world, namely "Raziel Hamalch" which was presented to Adam after he left Gan Eden, a copy of which many people keep in their homes as a segula against disaster and which saved us from four fires.Check it out.
7. Six pointed star was also used on the original Moroccan flag
Russel ,   TLV   (05.03.09)
The Moroccans changed it once they saw the flag of Israel. Now they have a five-pointed star, or pentagram, which is known as the Star of Jerusalem. This was used together with the 6-pointed star, or hexagram, throughout the Kingdoms of Judah and Israel for spiritual protection. It is the Pentagram that has become a pagan symbol in the West. Used upside down it denotes Satan worship, although in Israel the star is often used upside down and there is no evil connotation.
8. Wikipedia disagrees
Golan ,   SL   (05.03.09)
The earliest archaeological magen David national symbol is on a Babylonian bas relief carving, in the 6th century BCE[citation needed]. The Babylonian king historically recorded his conquest of the King and population of Judah. Both kings are shown standing facing each other. The King of Babylon stands on the right. A winged sun disk is above the King of Babylon. The encircled six-legged star pattern magen David is above the King of Judah.
9. MESSIANIC STAR THE SCEPTRE OF ISRAEL !!!.
ORAO STRANKA. ,   TSARIGRAD u SRBIA.   (05.03.09)
4.Bok OF MOSES., Chapter 24., verses - 15And he took up his parable and said: "Balaam the son of Beor hath said, and the man whose eyes are open hath said, 16he hath said, who heard the words of God, and knew the knowledge of the Most High, who saw the vision of the Almighty, falling into a trance, but having his eyes open: 17I shall see Him, but not now; I shall behold Him, but not nigh. There shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Scepter shall rise out of Israel, - !!!. There shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Scepter shall rise out of Israel, THE KINGDOM OF DAVID, THE MESSIANIC KINGDOM, IS THE ONLY ETERNAL KINGDOM UPON EARTH, THE SCEPTRE OF ISRAEL. SURELY THIS IS MAGEN DAVID. Orao.
10. Magen David isnt a jewish symbol but it has jewish history
zionist forever   (05.03.09)
The Maggen David has no religious symbolism it never has been and was neve considered a religious symbol except to people who don't understand. Even the menorah is not a religious symbol. Judaism has no phisical symbols the way the christians have the cross. Certain symbols which had no religious significance were used just as objects of recognition like on coins or shields not because they are holy signs in themselves. The Maggen David is a symbol that was connected to judaism by the Europeans and later adopted by the zionists. Its a symbol that the European zionists understand so its natural thats going to be the symbol chosen. The Israeli flag we know today was the Haaganah flag. The name Star of David is a western description. The proper meaning is Shield of David, believed to be the symbol on King Davids shield. If the hexogram is Solomons seal then it came one king to late. The Magen David was on King Davids shield and Solomon came after David. The hexagram is a symbol thats always been connected with mysticism and magic, which probably has more to do with the Knights Templar more than anything else. The swastica was a hindu good luck symbol that in WW1 German pilots like Goering painted it on their planes for luck.
11. Um-hmm. You say something?
Gideon Reader   (05.03.09)
OK. And,...? Whatever.
12. #5 "world citizen"
David ,   Rhode Island   (05.03.09)
People who equate Israel with the Nazis usually refer to Gaza as a concentration camp. This is an insane comparison, however. The prisoners in the concentration camps were given "soup" which consisted of a pot of water with one vegetable floating in it. The Israelis, on the other hand, have allowed tons of food into Gaza. In fact, when Israel left Gaza they left behind greenhouses worth $14,000,000 that would have provided $100,000,000 in exports annually. Space doesn't permit the number of obvious comparisons that would expose how ludicrous your position is, but I would like to add that there is no evidence that the arabs have been herded into gas chambers under the illusion that they were about to take showers. By the way, the number 5 is the number of death in the Bible.
13. "known as Solomon's Seal "
Aaron ,   SF, USA   (05.04.09)
Pretty sure this article itself shows the star's place in our history.
14. The Rizeel Hamalech Given to Adam Harishon contained it.
Zack ,   LA, USA   (05.03.09)
This was a book supposedly, given to Adam afgter he was kicked out of Gan Eden by Rizeel Hamalech. That means that this is a very old symbol, also the Magen Dovid contains Hashems name. Leters in each triangle. It also contains Shakai- another one of Hashem's (GOD) s name. Not only is it one of the olest Jewish Symbols, it probally is one of the Holiest symbols in Kabbalah, which are the secrets of the Torah. So obviously the author of this book has insufficeint research. Also i cant stan how everyone has to say things were taken from other cultures. Its very poss. and most likely that people steal things from us, because Judaism is the oldest religion.
15. Your Pic A Pentagram Not A Hexagram
Brana Lobel ,   Israel   (05.03.09)
YNET it's not just the stupid articles and the rabble rousing articles but you all do not even have the interest to make sure your illustration is of a hexagonal star.
16. Finally someone cleans up the magic from Jaacob's tents.
Josh   (05.04.09)
Shame on the Rabbis for letting this in our tents. This and the Jainism hamsah( the swastikas brother) red talisman strings, kaballah, and a list of other things the prophets clearly said we should not do. What are the Rabbis if they don't know Torah enough to speak against paganism and practice Babylonian Magic. I onlys see them promoting it. Very suspect. For my spiritual guidiance, you're fired.
17. magen david
franc ,   toronto   (05.04.09)
why the title? - I read all the article and from it is clear that magen david became a jewish symbol - the title, the professor talks and the story in the article are totally contradictory.
18. Magen David
J.K. ,   Brooklyn USA   (05.04.09)
When the first Kneset debated about making the Magen David the emblem of Israel,rabbi Itche Meir Levin of the Agudath Israel party, objected,claiming that the Magen David looks like the Bolshevic star,when it was pointed out to him that the Bolshevic star has 5 points,and the Magen David has 6,he responded,the antisemites will say that we are even bigger Bolshevics.
19. Regarding "Word Citizen" #5
Tahl ,   Ashdod, Israel   (05.04.09)
Shouldn't there be a limit on the amount of stupidity one may be allowed to write here? But actually I don't mind. This guy is even a disgrace for antisemites.
20. Saying it's "from the occult" is meaningless
Rowan Berkeley ,   London, England   (05.04.09)
"The occult" is a completely vague term; it is superstitious in itself to imagine that there is a sort of coherent counter-religion called "occultism." The first symbolic use of geometry in the West to illustrate sacred truths was that of Pythagoras and his followers, among whom one can include Plato, at least in this respect. To the Pythagoreans, the five pointed star was important because it embodied the irrational fraction (not expressible as a ratio of any two whole numbers) which is usually called 'the golden mean.' In occult tradition, the pentagram has come to symbolise 'Man' (the microcosm) and the hexagram to symbolise the universe (the macrocosm).
21. TALKBACK NUMBER 10. !!!.
ORAO STRANKA. ,   TSARIGRAD u SRBIA.   (05.04.09)
The Maggen David has no religious symbolism it never has been and was neve considered a religious symbol except to people who don't understand. Even the menorah is not a religious symbol. HAVE YOU ASKT JEHOVAH ABOUT THIS ???. THE 7 LAMPSTAND, THE MENORAH, IS A PICTURE AND SYMBOL OF THE 7 SPIRITS OF JEHOVAH JESAJA CHAPTER 11., vers - 2And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon Him--the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD". THE 7-FOLD SPIRIT OF JEHOVAH RESTS UPON THE MESSIAH. IN THE NEW TESTAMEN THIS IS SYMBOLISED BY THE, "7 HORNS OF THE LAMB", AND, "THE 7 SPIRITS WHO STANDS BEFOR HIS THRONE" !!!. YOUR ZIONISM DO NOT SEEM TO BE FOREVER ACCORDING TO ME, YOU SEEM TO LACK FUNDAMENTAL SPIRITUAL INSIGHT. Orao.
22. just for lifting douts
ghostq   (05.04.09)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexagram
23. Our data collected during space travelling.
Rahak Bantor ,   Planet Sahat   (05.04.09)
We are using the symbol of what you call swastika to indicate your galaxy and the symbol you call magen david to characterize your planet as the main metal present is iron and the average temperature is determined by the position of the iron molecule andthat is the double triangle shape. During our last visit we determined that your planet civilization is at the iron stage and your brain capacity will not be able to go over that.
24. Confused - How is it not a Jewish Symbol
S Judah ,   london   (05.04.09)
if it was first documented on the seal of Yehosua Ben Assiyahu during the period of the late kingdom, 2,700 years ago, As per this article. It must have had some meaning, even if ii was a decorative one.
25.  Useless symbols
Dr D ,   Jerusalem   (05.04.09)
The Cross have a meaning as well. It was a ROMAN instrument to carry a lond and cruel dead penalty. 1,9 billion people believe on this symbol. 16 million believe that the Magen David is associate with Judaism. Nothing is wrong with it as we are all free to believe what we want. What is wrong is the fact that very few people are strictly following the ethic and moral rules that should be directing our lives. Without it all this symbols are useless.
26. It's on the Israeli flag so that's symbol enough for me!
David ,   Hartford USA   (05.04.09)
If Rocky-the-Flying-Squirrel was on the Israeli flag, then I'd consider that little rascal a Jewish symbol! Sholem knew that only useless debating would follow publication so he didn't allow it. Smart man! He's probably having a good laugh! get on with your lives! (and many years ago he personally told me that he considered the Egyptian ankh a Jewish symbol.....and a slice of a Sbarro's 4 cheese deluxe pizza... )
27. Good catch #15.
Frank ,   BH, USA   (05.04.09)
Nice catch Brana. I took it for granted myself that it was a Magen David, but it is indeed a five sided star (Pentagram). Well played.
28. ORAO - Speaking of meaningless symbols
Netanel ,   FL, USA   (05.04.09)
Jehovah is an utterly nonsensical word which has absolutely no meaning in the Hebrew language. You look like a moron parading around a word which doesn't exist and claiming it to be a name of God.
29. Its true. Its not.
I know   (05.04.09)
I hate to say it, but you find it is a very old pagan symbol. "HEXAGRAM (see triangles) or SIX-POINTED STAR: When surrounded by a circle, it represents the "divine mind" (a counterfeit of God's wisdom) to numerous occult groups through the centuries. Many still use it in occult rituals. But to Jewish people, it is their Star of David." http://www.crossroad.to/Books/symbols1.html
30. i beg to differ...
tom ,   toronto, canada   (05.05.09)
the very term "magen david" (shield of david) makes little or no sense when it refers to a six- (or five-) pointed star. why should a six-pointed star, davka, protect david (or his descendants)? but when it refers to two interlocked daleds (the first and last letters of "david"), it begins to make far more sense as the heraldic shield or monogram of david. but this only works for pre-aramaic script, where the daled was a triangle (like the phoenecian/greek delta), which would have predated the babylonian exile (and the adoption of the aramaic script). and as king david's monogram, what could be a more fitting emblem for the flag of the restored jewish kingdom?
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