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The American appeaser
Shaul Rosenfeld
Published: 07.05.09, 00:28
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1. Would someone tell me why Israel does not emphasize Jordan
JudeaJudenJew ,   JordanisPalestine   (05.07.09)
is "palestine"????????? For crying out loud its 78% of "palestine; its 4 times israels size;its rulled by non natives (yes hashemite King's family moved from Mecca by British favor); ist population is ALREADY 80% "palestinian" 2+2=4 people....why doesnt Israel push this? King Abdullah's clan is not even a fraction of 1% of Jordan. Better to have the 80% palestinians rule themsleves, and have their own "official" country
2. Rosenfeld speaks like a real zionist and hypocrite !!
proud palestinian ,   washington dc   (05.07.09)
Dr. Rosenfeld is in no position to decide who can have nukes and who can't. Nor is he in a position to say that the West Bank and Gaza and East Jerusalem belong to israel. Only a criminal and a thief would talk in such language.
3. Obama's Peace Plan
B.E. ,   Whangarei, NZ   (05.07.09)
It doesn't take a Ph.D. lecturer (which I also formerly was) to know Obama's peace plans have no validity for Israel. Israel must be prepared to go it alone, the sooner the better, and death by degrees of compromise has less to say for itself than sudden demise, if that is necessary. Fortunately, in Israel's case, there remains a heavenly quotient in Genesis 12:3 that neither philosophers nor statemen, let alone mad men and terrorists, can compute.
4. Cute the crap, you know the drill....
Nour ,   Palestine   (05.07.09)
Quit the occupied territories including Arab East Jerusalem. Remove your settlers. It's as easy as ABC.
5. A fine posting, Mr. Rosefield
Cameron ,   USA   (05.07.09)
Even the best of friends, once in a great while, need to be grabbed by the scruff, looked straight in the eye, and directly told to "FO". Just too much at stake for perilous games, and progressive idealism running amok. If anyone is fit to make ice-cold, knowing judgements as to the realities of that pathological swamp known as the ME, you are, Israel. Keep thy own counsel, and do not be led to the edge of the cliff by that smiling, ever-so-hopeful cadre in Washington.
6. Mr Rosenfeld asks very good questions
Marcella   (05.07.09)
and his column is logical and well-written. But what we need to know is: DO ISRAELIS EVER - EVER - ASK THESE QUESTIONS OF THEIR LEADERS? Do they ever ask them during the election campaigns? I don't know Hebrew, so maybe they do, and maybe the candidates do give extensive and profound answers to such questions and they never get published. Could be. My guess, though, is that they never get asked. Or if they are, they never get a straight answer. Because the politicians don't want voters to know. Too many Israelis voted for Likud in the belief they were voting for a strong, right wing party, although the signs were already to the contrary. After the election, they still believe the Likud is a strong, right wing party. If Mr Rosenfeld wrote to the Prime Minister, for example, and posed these questions, would he hope to get straight answers? Before anyone informs the President of the United States, you need your own Prime Minister and his MKs to understand the situation. If they understood the implications of what they are apparently agreeing to, there would be no need to worry about whether Obama or anyone else wants Israelis to do. If the Israeli government understood and found - somehow - the strength to put Israel's interests above everything else, other countries would have to show Israel some respect and back off. This column states: "Israel must inform US we have no intention of walking like lambs to the slaughter". But before the US is informed, perhaps Israelis should emphatically and decisively tell their own leaders that they have NO intention of walking like lambs to the slaughter. So far it seems the population is eerily quiet, even while knowing full well where their PM stands on the issues. Makes one think of quiet little lambs ...
7. Locality or not When the Taliban will take over of Pakistan
e.m.Jordan is Palest ,   s.f   (05.07.09)
Every will be perfect, Divided Islamic nations will bring disastrous to them, Fanatic’s Taliban for the revenge of killing Sunnis by the Shiites in Iraq will start to kill the Pakistanis Shiites than Iran for defending the Shiites will be involve to that than every thing will be mess-up, the Obama policy like a Jimmy Carter policy will bring disastrous to Israeli enemies, mistake or not this kind of policy indirectly will help to Israel.
8. Czech
gf ,   oakland ca   (05.07.09)
Hear, hear.
9. WELL SAID.................ENOUGH SAID..........
Uzi ,   Beit Shemesh   (05.07.09)
10. Yes
eh-oop ,   UK   (05.07.09)
except one wonders whether Obama, with his long term associations with a corrupt political associate and an anti-semitic preacher in Chicago, not to mention the hostility to Israel of many advisers whom he's appointed, isn't more the willing accomplice rather than the victim of deception and cheating by wicked men.
11. What happened to the commom sense of the Americans ?
Dave Ronen ,   Haifa   (05.07.09)
American pressure on Israel to destroy Jewish towns, exile their residents and give up land has resulted in "Hamas control over Gaza, catastrophe for 2,000 families, and allowing our enemies, Islam, to become stronger and present a major threat to millions of Jews... and the West. It is not acceptable for the US, at the same time that it fights terrorism on one front, to pressure Israel to give in to terrorists on another front!" It seems that the US want to get rid of its only faithful ally in the M-E, Israel, as explained at : http://xrl.us/i4sge
12. ISRAEL'S FUTURE
PAUL GUREVICH ,   BRONX, NEW YORK   (05.07.09)
THE ONLY WAY ISRAEL CAN SURVIVE IS TO BECOME INDEPENDANT OF THE U.S., WHICH HAS SHOWN ITSELF AS A FICKLE FRIEND. DIFFICULT AS IT SEEMS, ISRAEL MUST BECOME ECONOMICALLY AND MILITARILY INDEPENDANT OF THE U.S . IT MUST DEVELOP IT'S OWN ARMAMENTS INDUSTRY, INCLUDING IT'S OWN MILITARY JETS. IN THIS REGARD, ISRAELI AIRCRAFT DESIGNERS CAN BE SUPPLEMENTED WITH RETIRED U.S. AND RUSSIAN DESIGNERS. STRESS SHOULD BE PUT UPON LASER AND MINIFICATION MILITARY TECHNOLOGY TO KEEP COSTS DOWN. ISRAEL MUST BECOME FOR THE FORSEEABLE FUTURE THE FORTRESS ISRAEL OF THE '50'S. NOT AN INCH SHOULD BE RETURNED. YOU DON'T SEE FRANCE RETURNING ALSACE-LORRAINE TO GERMANY. POLAND HAS NOT RETURNED SAXONY AND MOST OF EAST PRUSSIA TO GERMANY. RUSSIA HAS NOT RETURNED THE KURILE ISLANDS TO JAPAN, TO QUOTE JUST A FEW CASES. WHY SHOULD THE PALESTINIANS HAVE A STATE? IF THAT IS TRUE, THEN THE BASQUES SHOULD HAVE A STATE IN SPAIN, 25 MILLION KURDS SHOULD HAVE A STATE, TIBETANS SHOULD HAVE A STATE ETC. ETC. ISRAEL SHOULD NOT BE AFRAID TO USE ANY WEAPONS AT IT'S DISPOSAL TO SURVIVE.
13. #4 Stop the rockets and aid from Iran
semsem ,   New York, USA   (05.07.09)
#4 Stop the rockets, the help from Iran and so called right of return which you will never get. It is as easy as ABCD.
14. EXCELLENT ARTICLE...SADLY TRUE
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15. THERE ARE 2 AMERICAS ! ONE IS ISRAEL'S , THE OTHER IS OURS
Atilla Karagözoğlu   (05.07.09)
16. This crap ran its course. End Jewish occupation in Palestine
Tanin ,   USA   (05.07.09)
Jewish occupation in Palestine not only hurts Palestinians but also hurts US interest and creates all sorts of problems for the US in mideast and the world.
17. Please understand, obumma's father was an arab and he has no
Bunnie Meyer ,   Los Angeles, CA USA   (05.07.09)
feelings for helping the Jews, even though a bunch of star struck Jews ignorantly voted for him. He is a megalomaniac who thinks he can force Israel into a peace agreement and the whole world will look at him as the one person who could succeed where others failed. If obumma had a dozen "palestinians" living in the White House for a month, he would see the futility of his blind ambition.
18. Same Rubbish, Different author
Palestinian in UK ,   Exeter   (05.07.09)
This lecturer hasn't presented anything new. In fact, it's the same garbage Israeli officials repeat over and over again. Iran- Nazis, Israel - Poor Czechoslovakia, Palestinians - cancer, and so on, and so on What Rosenfeld doesn't understand is that Americans are sick of appeasing Israel. Hopefully Obama will see Israel's racist nature, and act accordingly. And the only lambs I see are the Palestinians being culled in the West Bank and Gaza - thanks to the world's most repugnant army
19. The US must stop appeasing Israel.
Jacob ,   Cambridge, England   (05.07.09)
Attempting to compare Obama's opposition to Israel's illegal occupation of Palestine with Chameberlain's support for Hitler's illegal occupation of his neighbours is just ludicrous. Iran is not the only country in the Middle East with nuclear ambitions and no respect for human rights. Obama must continue to stand up to Rosenfeld and other threatening wicked men, and keep the pressure on Israel to do the right thing.
20. Blatant nonsense
True Zionist ,   Tel Aviv   (05.07.09)
Not that anyone in the Obama administration would bother with this, but the best advice they and the so-called Bibi could do is to simply ignore this kind of paranoid nonsense. It panders to those who persist in stoking up fear and keeping the flames of the holocaust industry burning. Such 'philosophy' consigns us and successive generations of Israelis to precisely the endless bloodshed this philosophy of fear monger claims to want to avoid.
21. TELL HIM
avrom ,   bet shemesh   (05.07.09)
Snakes always bites the snake charmer the appeaser is the snake charmer that right is might tell him it is logical and inevitable that Israel will win that the world is degenerating into two conditions 1]law and order 2]MAD MAX Tell him either he supports Israel or his country will degenerate into Mad Max Tell him he can choose Gaza /Pakistan or Israel Tell him he can choose life or death Tell him he really has no choice Tell him the fate of those who oppose the Jewish state
22. Obamadness and the new US Constituency
dmgold ,   Pardes Chana Israel   (05.07.09)
Listen folks things are not what they used to be. America is now run by an extreme left of centre coalition of self hating people with Jewish sounding surnames and radical new age lesbians. A poll released in the US yesterday revealed that some 37 % of people who identified themselves as Democrats believe or strongly believe that JEWS are responsible for the current economic crisis. A further 18 % who identified themselves as Republicans also believe that Jews are responsible for the economic collapse Globally. The point here is that Obama can see little negative domestic reaction to throwing Israel under a bus(as they say). Aipac (Zionist)is in decline and has been replaced by the post Jewish ' J Street ' (anti or post Zionist)the US Jewish constituency has an average age of 70 + and its relevance electoraly and financially is in decline. Most Israel supporters are now Conservative Christian Republicans. ISRAEL HAS TO SAY NO AND FIND NEW FREINDS IN THE WORLD. ALL GOOD THING COME TO AN END. ISRAEL WILL NOT SURVIVE A TWO TERM PRESIDENCY OF OBAMADNESS UNLESS IT CUTS ITSELF ADRIFT.
23. Jordan & Gaza 2-Palestine states
Minuteman ,   Calif USA   (05.07.09)
Jordan and Gaza are already 2 Palestinian states, the insistant on a 3rd Palestinian state is for one purpose only Undermine the Jews of Israel.
24. Let's see those peace plans Americans+Arabs were drawing up
Sam ,   Canada   (05.07.09)
Supposedly, the Americans and Arabs were drawing up new peace plans. Let's see what they say and evaluate them. Until then Israel must assume Iranian and Palestinian intentions are not benevolent. As the son of 2 Holocaust Czech-Jewish families I would agree that Israel should not allow itself to be led to the slaughter.Either Israel is presented with an acceptable plan or the heck with American pressure and Palestinian demands.
25. Mar Rosenfeld times are changing...
Avi ,   USA   (05.07.09)
... and it helps to change with them. Have you read "Who Moved My Cheese?" Not to mention that the Chamberlain comparison is quite misguided. Nazi Germany was comparable from a military capability with the French and the Brits. Iran is no match for the US. Strategically, the equation is very different. This gives the administration manouvering space in the diplomatic field.
26. The comparison between Chaimberlain and Obama....
Andy ,   ramat hasharon   (05.07.09)
is beyond stupid. Obama and his team actually know what they are doing. Let's see what they can work from what started as the Saudi plan. This Jordan = Palestine is beyond bullshit.
27. #16. This crap ran its course [...]
Albrecht Klein ,   Germany   (05.07.09)
Could you please explain me, when and where there was a state "Palestine" in the region?
28. To #25
Frank ,   Canada   (05.07.09)
You are right, Iran is no match for the US, that's why appeasing them is totally ridiculous. The US agenda is to nuclearized Iran. This is not acceptable for Israel and Israel must expel Americans from the ME. End of story.
29. Frank, are you just an idiot or a Muslim?
Claudia ,   Tampa, FL USA   (05.07.09)
Or maybe even just anti-Christian? What ever Obama wants, the majority of Americans are with Israel and he will soon be aware of that regardless of what his token liberal Jews tell him. Evangelical Christians outnumber the entire population of American Jews that voted for Obama and combined with other Americans that believe in fair play and are against Islamic jihad everywhere this numbers about 70%of Americans that support Israel. So do not paint America with the broad brush.
30. Loosing America
Leonard ,   LA usa   (05.08.09)
It was said that the sun never sets on the British empire. Today it is no longer an empire. America was a mighty nation but it to will fall over night. Today it is becoming weak as Amadinajad says. Israel be better off without American help at this point less it wants to go down with us. This is written and predicted and is happening right now. G-d has left America.
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